C230 Sport Coup's All things AT Transmission related
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On yours, it appears you can't really overfill, as it has like this overflow tube in the pan.
I noted a few other parts that had updates, software, and different size tubes that supercedes certain cars...
You'll need some sort of pump to get it into the pan...
you could alway use one of those drill powered pumps,
like the Sureflow on boatersworld for 20 bucks, which I use to do oil changes.
I noted a few other parts that had updates, software, and different size tubes that supercedes certain cars...
You'll need some sort of pump to get it into the pan...
you could alway use one of those drill powered pumps,
like the Sureflow on boatersworld for 20 bucks, which I use to do oil changes.
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I just wanted to say thanks for posting this. The automatic transmission on my 02 C230K was shifting pretty hard. Thanks for the instructions - my car shifts much better now!
One thing - I couldn't get the drain plug to open, so I sucked about 3L of fluid from the top fill tube with my MityVac... then when I dropped the pan, there wasn't hardly any mess. I'm thinking about changing out a few liters of fluid using the MityVac after each oil change since I didn't do a complete flush.
Cheers!
One thing - I couldn't get the drain plug to open, so I sucked about 3L of fluid from the top fill tube with my MityVac... then when I dropped the pan, there wasn't hardly any mess. I'm thinking about changing out a few liters of fluid using the MityVac after each oil change since I didn't do a complete flush.
Cheers!
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This is a very interesting thread & good learning for all. One question I have is - was this a truly representative oil sample & how was the sample taken?
The sample results suck - almost typical of a transmission in trouble. The results are so bad that I would suspect the sample came from the dregs in the oil pan - not what the transmission sees post filter.
The Pentane insolubles show a level of oxidation. It's a pity that a TAN (Total Acid Number) was not performed to better show just how bad this was.
The sample results suck - almost typical of a transmission in trouble. The results are so bad that I would suspect the sample came from the dregs in the oil pan - not what the transmission sees post filter.
The Pentane insolubles show a level of oxidation. It's a pity that a TAN (Total Acid Number) was not performed to better show just how bad this was.
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I'm spoilt - I'm used to having a good analysis & a ISO cleanliness level to have a look at which gives you a partical size distribution.
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That should be a good place to sample. I wonder why so much crap was getting through the filter. Of course we don't know the size of the wear debris. Must be very fine if the filter was OK & not in bypass or damaged.
I'm spoilt - I'm used to having a good analysis & a ISO cleanliness level to have a look at which gives you a partical size distribution.
I'm spoilt - I'm used to having a good analysis & a ISO cleanliness level to have a look at which gives you a partical size distribution.
As in I had a dealer "flush" the tranny, but saw that in fact only 4 quarts got changed, if at all at 80 or 90K miles. I checked after they did it and it was green then, so likely not, and the test pretty well proves it, though if you only changed 1/2 your motor oil or less, you might see the same type of result. I plan to do it again at 60K miles as suggested in the maint. sheets.
So since I couldn't seem to get any of those fools to do it right, I was forced to DIY, which is nothing new.
My local guy is suggesting changing it every 30K miles! Which seems excessive but he feels that might result in some long and trouble free transmissions.
It's a PIA without a lift.
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My primary reason was to see if the work was ever done...that I'd paid for.
As in I had a dealer "flush" the tranny, but saw that in fact only 4 quarts got changed, if at all at 80 or 90K miles. I checked after they did it and it was green then, so likely not, and the test pretty well proves it, though if you only changed 1/2 your motor oil or less, you might see the same type of result. I plan to do it again at 60K miles as suggested in the maint. sheets.
So since I couldn't seem to get any of those fools to do it right, I was forced to DIY, which is nothing new.
My local guy is suggesting changing it every 30K miles! Which seems excessive but he feels that might result in some long and trouble free transmissions.
It's a PIA without a lift.
As in I had a dealer "flush" the tranny, but saw that in fact only 4 quarts got changed, if at all at 80 or 90K miles. I checked after they did it and it was green then, so likely not, and the test pretty well proves it, though if you only changed 1/2 your motor oil or less, you might see the same type of result. I plan to do it again at 60K miles as suggested in the maint. sheets.
So since I couldn't seem to get any of those fools to do it right, I was forced to DIY, which is nothing new.
My local guy is suggesting changing it every 30K miles! Which seems excessive but he feels that might result in some long and trouble free transmissions.
It's a PIA without a lift.
Saw an interesting statistic yesterday - South Africa has the 4th largest offtake of AMG vehicles wordwide - the autos in those things must take a hammering.
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I discovered that I had a Valeo radiator on my '02 c230k, so I replaced it with a Behr last week and did a tranny flush. Everything went ok, except I had trouble getting the hose clamp to hold the 1/2" flushing hose to the transmission cooler line. It ended up poping off a couple of times and spewing fluid everywhere.
Sent a fluid sample to Blackstone and it looks like if I had any coolant contamination, it was minimal. In fact, it indicated 0.0% water, so I think I'm ok. Here's a copy of my report. D66132.pdf
Also replaced a leaking transmisson electrical plug shown in this link: http://www.installuniversity.com/mb/...ans_oring.html
C230 Sport Coup and Splinter, thanks for the DIY's...they were definately a big help.
Sent a fluid sample to Blackstone and it looks like if I had any coolant contamination, it was minimal. In fact, it indicated 0.0% water, so I think I'm ok. Here's a copy of my report. D66132.pdf
Also replaced a leaking transmisson electrical plug shown in this link: http://www.installuniversity.com/mb/...ans_oring.html
C230 Sport Coup and Splinter, thanks for the DIY's...they were definately a big help.
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I discovered that I had a Valeo radiator on my '02 c230k, so I replaced it with a Behr last week and did a tranny flush. Everything went ok, except I had trouble getting the hose clamp to hold the 1/2" flushing hose to the transmission cooler line. It ended up poping off a couple of times and spewing fluid everywhere.
Sent a fluid sample to Blackstone and it looks like if I had any coolant contamination, it was minimal. In fact, it indicated 0.0% water, so I think I'm ok. Here's a copy of my report. Attachment 149407
Also replaced a leaking transmisson electrical plug shown in this link: http://www.installuniversity.com/mb/...ans_oring.html
C230 Sport Coup and Splinter, thanks for the DIY's...they were definately a big help.
Sent a fluid sample to Blackstone and it looks like if I had any coolant contamination, it was minimal. In fact, it indicated 0.0% water, so I think I'm ok. Here's a copy of my report. Attachment 149407
Also replaced a leaking transmisson electrical plug shown in this link: http://www.installuniversity.com/mb/...ans_oring.html
C230 Sport Coup and Splinter, thanks for the DIY's...they were definately a big help.
Can you guys remind me Why you didn't pop off the right side undertray, unscrew the banjo bolt and flush the fluid directly from the tranny? I'm planning on flushing my tranny this weekend and am wondering if there is any time or hassle savings in draining from the radiator.
thanks!
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Well, unless you have access to a lift, doing the banjo bolt thing is, well,
you'll see when you remove just the pan, and replace the filter. Minimal space, and I don't enjoy tranny fluid showers while laying on my back, though I knew this one kinky chic...but thats another story.
It's just a personal choice. The banjo bolt thing makes more sense on a lift, but then someone has to
start and stop the car. So, that means, they'd have to be in the car... on the lift???? Hmmmmm....
just go with the rad function. It's a little bit of a pain wrastling it out of it's plastic clippy thingy's on the rad, but not that bad. Be sure to replace the o ring! See pn I posted for C230 if you have 2002, not the one on the C32 that Splinter uses.
As you saw in my pics, it's pretty easy to drain at the rad,
and directly into a container for curbside recycle.
Sweet.
As far as the other guy who said the hose came off, well, be sure to use a hose clamp, just avoids that issue. Good job on replacing the rad and checking the fluid. Whew! Another Beeee U ty Full 2002 coupe saved from destruction. Post pics please! Not all Valeo rads are supposedly bad, but who wants to find out? Not me, I woulda done the same thing.
you'll see when you remove just the pan, and replace the filter. Minimal space, and I don't enjoy tranny fluid showers while laying on my back, though I knew this one kinky chic...but thats another story.
It's just a personal choice. The banjo bolt thing makes more sense on a lift, but then someone has to
start and stop the car. So, that means, they'd have to be in the car... on the lift???? Hmmmmm....
just go with the rad function. It's a little bit of a pain wrastling it out of it's plastic clippy thingy's on the rad, but not that bad. Be sure to replace the o ring! See pn I posted for C230 if you have 2002, not the one on the C32 that Splinter uses.
As you saw in my pics, it's pretty easy to drain at the rad,
and directly into a container for curbside recycle.
Sweet.
As far as the other guy who said the hose came off, well, be sure to use a hose clamp, just avoids that issue. Good job on replacing the rad and checking the fluid. Whew! Another Beeee U ty Full 2002 coupe saved from destruction. Post pics please! Not all Valeo rads are supposedly bad, but who wants to find out? Not me, I woulda done the same thing.
Can you guys remind me Why you didn't pop off the right side undertray, unscrew the banjo bolt and flush the fluid directly from the tranny? I'm planning on flushing my tranny this weekend and am wondering if there is any time or hassle savings in draining from the radiator.
thanks!
thanks!
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I discovered that I had a Valeo radiator on my '02 c230k, so I replaced it with a Behr last week and did a tranny flush. Everything went ok, except I had trouble getting the hose clamp to hold the 1/2" flushing hose to the transmission cooler line. It ended up poping off a couple of times and spewing fluid everywhere.
Sent a fluid sample to Blackstone and it looks like if I had any coolant contamination, it was minimal. In fact, it indicated 0.0% water, so I think I'm ok. Here's a copy of my report. Attachment 149407
Also replaced a leaking transmisson electrical plug shown in this link: http://www.installuniversity.com/mb/...ans_oring.html
C230 Sport Coup and Splinter, thanks for the DIY's...they were definately a big help.
Sent a fluid sample to Blackstone and it looks like if I had any coolant contamination, it was minimal. In fact, it indicated 0.0% water, so I think I'm ok. Here's a copy of my report. Attachment 149407
Also replaced a leaking transmisson electrical plug shown in this link: http://www.installuniversity.com/mb/...ans_oring.html
C230 Sport Coup and Splinter, thanks for the DIY's...they were definately a big help.
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I think the problem with my hose coming off is that the 1/2" hose is just a little too large of a diameter. I did use a hose clamp, but there was still a bit of play with it tightened down. Is that fitting metal or plastic? I possibly could have tightened it more, but was afraid of over-tightening the clamp and breaking the fitting if it were plastic. You mentioned that you used a 3/8" hose and that was too small. Sounds like a 7/8" hose would be ideal, but probably tough to find (hoses available at my local Lowes went from 3/8" to 1/2"). Maybe a thick layer of teflon tape around the connecter would have helped.
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I owe a HUGE thanks to Splinter and C230 Sport Coup for their threads regarding the radiator swap (From a Valeo to a Behr) and for this Transmission Flush thread! I just did both of these jobs on Saturday and couldn't have done it if it weren't for these guys and the other contributors to their threads, so again, many thanks!!!
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Glad you could make sense of all the jumbled info.
And glad you got it right. We get people around here once in a while posting that they
drained the tranny and then poured 8 quarts of tranny fluid into the sump, bloew up the motor, because they didn't do the reading in advance. Excellent! Another benzo saved from the wrecking ball.
And glad you got it right. We get people around here once in a while posting that they
drained the tranny and then poured 8 quarts of tranny fluid into the sump, bloew up the motor, because they didn't do the reading in advance. Excellent! Another benzo saved from the wrecking ball.
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I think the problem with my hose coming off is that the 1/2" hose is just a little too large of a diameter. I did use a hose clamp, but there was still a bit of play with it tightened down. Is that fitting metal or plastic? I possibly could have tightened it more, but was afraid of over-tightening the clamp and breaking the fitting if it were plastic. You mentioned that you used a 3/8" hose and that was too small. Sounds like a 7/8" hose would be ideal, but probably tough to find (hoses available at my local Lowes went from 3/8" to 1/2"). Maybe a thick layer of teflon tape around the connecter would have helped.
Like I said, I was able to save the day, by heating the hose slightly over the stove, stuffing it over a the handle of a 1/2" ratchet to stretch it, and then it was the right size.
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Glad you could make sense of all the jumbled info.
And glad you got it right. We get people around here once in a while posting that they
drained the tranny and then poured 8 quarts of tranny fluid into the sump, bloew up the motor, because they didn't do the reading in advance. Excellent! Another benzo saved from the wrecking ball.
And glad you got it right. We get people around here once in a while posting that they
drained the tranny and then poured 8 quarts of tranny fluid into the sump, bloew up the motor, because they didn't do the reading in advance. Excellent! Another benzo saved from the wrecking ball.
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Sorry, my mistake. I meant 7/16", not 7/8".
I'm confused. 1/2" is too large, but you think 7/8" a larger diam, would be better? Please elaborate.
Like I said, I was able to save the day, by heating the hose slightly over the stove, stuffing it over a the handle of a 1/2" ratchet to stretch it, and then it was the right size.
Like I said, I was able to save the day, by heating the hose slightly over the stove, stuffing it over a the handle of a 1/2" ratchet to stretch it, and then it was the right size.
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Not sure why I didn't think of this at the time, but for those of you replacing a radiator before your flush, you can unscrew the old transmission cooler line adapter from the old radiator and use that as a flush hose adapter. It screws right off and then you clamp a hose on it and reconnect it to the transmission cooler line. It allows you a little more room to clamp and it looks like a 3/8" hose would fit nicely over the threads.
For anyone that doesn't have an old radiator, you can PM me and I'll send you one of mine (adapter, not a radiator). All I ask is that you do the same and send it to the next person from the forum that asks.
For anyone that doesn't have an old radiator, you can PM me and I'll send you one of mine (adapter, not a radiator). All I ask is that you do the same and send it to the next person from the forum that asks.
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Not sure why I didn't think of this at the time, but for those of you replacing a radiator before your flush, you can unscrew the old transmission cooler line adapter from the old radiator and use that as a flush hose adapter. It screws right off and then you clamp a hose on it and reconnect it to the transmission cooler line. It allows you a little more room to clamp and it looks like a 3/8" hose would fit nicely over the threads.
For anyone that doesn't have an old radiator, you can PM me and I'll send you one of mine (adapter, not a radiator). All I ask is that you do the same and send it to the next person from the forum that asks.
Attachment 153232
For anyone that doesn't have an old radiator, you can PM me and I'll send you one of mine (adapter, not a radiator). All I ask is that you do the same and send it to the next person from the forum that asks.
Attachment 153232
I won't be needing this for a little while, but I'd be happy to take one off your hands.
Well, actually I think I'll be fine, i saved the hose etc. from the 1st time.
Next time around I may just flush without messing with the pan at all 40K miles after the
1st time, then drop the pan the next time around...but it's running great now, so not messing with it.
Interesting how all your numbers are lower in your oil report, but the, lead, manganese, potassium, sodium, calcium, magnesium (mine was 0, yours was 2) and zinc are higher....wierd.
I'm sure Glyn will tell us what it means......
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