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HID4LESS Stage I versus Stage II photo..what do you think.

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Old Feb 19, 2002 | 01:50 PM
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HID4LESS Stage I versus Stage II photo..what do you think.

Who thinks the Stage II photo is computer enhanced ????!!!!!

Vadim...are you there...give us some insight.....thanks !

BTW - there's a caption under these photos saying they are NOT enhanced on their web site.

If the whole light asembly wasn't blue I wouldn't say anything but...looks fishy to me !!
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Old Feb 19, 2002 | 04:07 PM
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Yeah i see what you mean. With the stage 1 the other small light looks like there is no light from it, while stage 2 looks like it has been "helped" a little.

But it still looks cool. I might just have to get the stage 2's

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Old Feb 19, 2002 | 05:40 PM
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Re: HID4LESS Stage I versus Stage II photo..what do you think.

Originally posted by bagwell
Who thinks the Stage II photo is computer enhanced ????!!!!!

Vadim...are you there...give us some insight.....thanks !

BTW - there's a caption under these photos saying they are NOT enhanced on their web site.

If the whole light asembly wasn't blue I wouldn't say anything but...looks fishy to me !!
It sure is touched up. The cue is the tint of the assembly. You can easily see the feathered area around the light, especially at the top and on the right.

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Old Feb 20, 2002 | 09:39 AM
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it makes me leary of HID4LESS --- if stage II is so much better why did they feel the need to retouch the photo !!??
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Old Feb 20, 2002 | 09:55 AM
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Type ll Blue?

It is much bluer, it's hard to take a picture of lights. I tried last night. I think that the image eather retouched or not does reflect the diffrence in the color. HIDsless did not invent the the K scale. The higher you go the bluer you get.

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Old Feb 20, 2002 | 10:01 AM
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actually has an article from european car magazine about the hids4less. bagwell, i don't think you have to worry about the company.

also, autolamps offers a phillips ultinon (sp?) hids kit that is also 6000k.

actually, i'm considering the stage 1 kit and not the stage 2. it is an aesthetic choice.

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Old Feb 20, 2002 | 10:55 AM
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I agree stage II is better but...

why re-touch the photo ? should have left it as is.
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Old Feb 20, 2002 | 11:00 AM
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Originally posted by bagwell
I agree stage II is better but...

why re-touch the photo ? should have left it as is.
My guess is - to emphasize the differences between the two. Modern cameras have auto white balance, and with the light blob being the dominant area of the image, its tint will always be corrected by the camera electronics towards white. So they may have decided to "undo" this auto correction.

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Old Feb 21, 2002 | 04:44 PM
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Originally posted by vadim
My guess is - to emphasize the differences between the two. Modern cameras have auto white balance, and with the light blob being the dominant area of the image, its tint will always be corrected by the camera electronics towards white. So they may have decided to "undo" this auto correction.
What kind of cameras are you talking about? I own several Nikons (non-digital) and have many years of "traditional" photographic experience. Maybe there's a "white balance" on digitals, like a videocam. In any event, there are so many parameters such as exposure level, film type, filters, etc. that can lend various visual elements to a photograph. I'm not sure you can tell whether they've enhanced it in any way. Just my $.02.
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Old Feb 21, 2002 | 05:34 PM
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Originally posted by MarkL

What kind of cameras are you talking about? I own several Nikons (non-digital) and have many years of "traditional" photographic experience. Maybe there's a "white balance" on digitals, like a videocam. In any event, there are so many parameters such as exposure level, film type, filters, etc. that can lend various visual elements to a photograph. I'm not sure you can tell whether they've enhanced it in any way. Just my $.02.
Sorry, I should have elaborated - digital cameras, of course, video- and still-shot alike. But even in case of film cameras the prints will be auto-white-balanced by the processing system.

Speaking of enhancement - we're talking about a digital image, either scanned or transferred from a digital camera. It's a lot easier to use Photoshop than to learn how to use expensive photo equipment (that not too many people are even aware of, let alone having it) to achieve desired results.

I can easily reproduce the blue blob representing the "stage II system" on the picture being discussed using Photoshop.

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I went into photoshop and tried to match the color and brightness of the car on the top photo to the bottom. Digitial cameras play tricks with white balance, something that can't be done on film. Notice that one brighter picture is straight into the lens and the other is at an angle. So they did cheat but I believe that they are untouched. So for what it's worth, here's my interpetation.
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Old Feb 21, 2002 | 10:57 PM
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Here... it took me 10 minutes... If I played with it longer, the match would have been even closer.

P.S. In no way should this rendition or my previous posts on this subject be considered "anti-hid4less.com" . I'm planning to get them myself. Stage 1, though

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Old Feb 21, 2002 | 11:09 PM
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After playing around with the balance for I while I found somthing very fishy about this picture. Could it be??

















Randy


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Old Feb 22, 2002 | 12:02 PM
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I think you've uncovered the subliminal message that was hidden in the headlight picture. Good job RennCpe.
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