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I cannot see actual values either, like LILBENZ230, but, I believe my system is utilizing the hardware.
Not only was it coded and accepted by DAS, it knows when I change summer and winter tires.
Just something to think about.
I never analyzed a real time reading, but, I do know where the air pressure threshold was set...
Throughout the years there were three TPMS manufacturers used for High line (475, Individual tire pressure readout) and Low line (470, Warning Only).
BERU 2003? Thru 2005? (Uses an antenna at each wheel well, no central antenna, 475 High line capable, could be coded for Low line depends on dash display width.
SIEMENS 2006 Thru 2008? (Uses front left and right wheel well antennas and a central for 475 High line, uses central antenna only for 470 Low line
SCHRADER 2009 Thru present? (Does not use wheel antennas, I think the central antenna is built into the TPMS module, I am not sure if it is 475 capable)
Also there are two tire pressure frequencies in use, 315mhz (USA, ?) and 433mhz (European, ?) therefore the module frequency must match the wheel sensor frequency
if you read the SA build codes you can determine which TPMS you have (Label in trunk,boot)
477 uses ABS to determine a pressure imbalance between tires, can only give a warning, can be unreliable, does not use pressure sensors inside wheels
470 uses pressure sensors inside wheel rims, low line, can only give a warning, uses a dedicated TPMS module but lacks wheel well antennas
475 uses pressure sensors inside wheel rims, high line, give a warning and individual tire pressures, uses a dedicated TPMS module and wheel well antennas
Здравствуйте!
Прошу помощи.
У меня w203 Я очень хочу эту систему.
Установлено:
Модуль РДК A0035403945 Жгут
проводов A2094404508
EIS A2035453408
Неисправный шинный пресс постоянно горит на кластере.
Ошибка CAN 911D - нарушена связь с блоком управления N88 (блок управления RDK)
В кластере есть меню шин без цифр давления.
Есть шиномонтажный пресс Activ +/- меню
Что делать? Спасибо за все ответы.
Last edited by Barracuda2k; 11-20-2020 at 04:00 PM.
Is your car a 2001 model for use in Europe? If it is, it may be configured differently than the cars Mercedes built for the North American market. You may need to find someone with expertise with European-market vehicles.
My car from Germany. Europe market.
2005-2007 model
Originally Posted by KevinH2000
Is your car a 2001 model for use in Europe? If it is, it may be configured differently than the cars Mercedes built for the North American market. You may need to find someone with expertise with European-market vehicles.
What the people who posted to this thread discovered was that for U.S. cars for up to 2005, the only option available is a less sophisticated system that does not display tire pressures in the center screen It does not use tire pressure monitors in the wheels. It uses the ABS sensors to detect differences in wheel revolutions and issues a warning when one wheel diverges significantly from the others.
You may or may not be able to activate the more sophisticated system depending upon when and if Mercedes made it available on European cars.
I believe it has more to do with you EIS. Mine for example, will not support actual values but will support pressure loss warning via sensors and pressure limits established in STARDiagnostics.
Now I have the RDK module and sensors working. I see the current values and temperature via CAN. I tried to put a cluster of 209 models. Everything works perfectly! The problem is in my cluster. I think this is the old version. Hence, he does not understand the protocol from the RDK. I need to know which version of the cluster the RDK supports.
Last edited by Barracuda2k; 11-17-2020 at 01:16 AM.
Unfortunately, the cluster from w209 is not easy to install on w203. According to my information, it is necessary to replace the original A2036800034 with A2096800034. I have not installed myself a cluster. Just plugged into the jack. I need to find a version of w203 that works with RDK
Thanks everyone. It’s a pity that nobody wanted to help me. My friends and I did everything ourselves. We installed a cluster from w209. I am very pleased with the result.
I don’t think it’s a matter of not wanting to help you-on the contrary, we’d love to; and some, like me, would love to know more about the w209 cluster swap.
Presenting the w209 cluster into this thread as an added challenge requires a little more attention and possible research. For example, I posted my part numbers and results here for all to use and replicate TPMS just like the OP.
Plus. We all have things going on outside this forum. I’ve been unemployed since May, my roof, shower and now washer have all began leaking in the past two weeks...
I am glad you have it sorted - can you share what you and your friends did to accomplish this? Especially with the w209 cluster?
Further - can you add to the cluster swap thread on how you accomplished that. From an erased EEPROM, to physically fitting it, to any updates and coding...did you change out the cluster plastic holders/cages? If so, how? I can’t see any easy way with the steering column right there...Etc.
Please excuse my english. Installation of the w209 cluster was relatively easy. First, they removed A2036800034. Compare A2036800034 and A2096800034. Cut off part of A2096800034. After that, the installation was done in place. I didn't program it. A very good master.
I have a 2007 W211.077 E63 that does NOT come preloaded w/TPMS. I have installed these thinking the AVIN HU I am planning to buy would have been able to decode it, but I was misinformed! Since they’re already now installed, I very much would like to be able to find a way to enable them to connect via a retrofitted OEM system as described on this thread. The question is I believe these TPMS are all Siemens. Does this mean I have to install antennas in the front wells or can I get by with a lesser involved install using parts from other model Mercedes’? I’m geared up to do a stereo install, so the timing is now. Any help would be most appreciated!
I have a 2007 W211.077 E63 that does NOT come preloaded w/TPMS. I have installed these thinking the AVIN HU I am planning to buy would have been able to decode it, but I was misinformed! Since they’re already now installed, I very much would like to be able to find a way to enable them to connect via a retrofitted OEM system as described on this thread. The question is I believe these TPMS are all Siemens. Does this mean I have to install antennas in the front wells or can I get by with a lesser involved install using parts from other model Mercedes’? I’m geared up to do a stereo install, so the timing is now. Any help would be most appreciated!
Hi
There are 3 levels of this system. First one is passive and reads abs rpm. The second level is active and uses 4 sensors and one antenna. You can not monitor the pressure from each wheel because it does not learn the locations but in a case of a problem it will alert you.
I already have w219 cls 55 amg. It was fitted with some options but due to extensive rebuilding process i've made the car with all options available for this model. The last option that was retrofitted was a high level oem TPMS option 475. This system has 2 versions. According to my memories it has 485 and 486 versions. There are a EU and US version differences due to different frequencies used. The older version 485 is similar to late W220 and W215. I retrofitted the older 485 version. It uses 4 sensors in wheel arches, coaxial cables from each antenna to the rear trunk left side. Under all of the modules there is an extra module that is connected to rear sam and coax cables. This system uses 4 sensors. I've found installed Schrader sensors that have to be programmed (activated initially) with special tool. It was a bit tricky to find a correct activation tool because the system is old and wast very popular back then. Once programmed wheel arch antennas capture the signal from each sensor and no additional programming is needed. It doesn't matter where the wheel is installed it receives the signal from it. Just need a restart from the dashboard and that's it. I've found this system from early w219 55 amg (2004). After 2006, the 486 system was installed. This system uses much more modern can antennas in the front wheel arches and one on the floor of the car under the driver. I believe this system needs a wheel position programming to find correct wheel position. There are differences of antennas, modules, and sensors frequencies due to EU and USA regulations.
To retrofit this you have to remove dashboard, heating unit, trunk left side cover, door arches covers, wheel arches covers. Parts: full wiring, module, antennas, tpms sensors. The system needs to be activated in the dashboard and can configuration. My car has w219 63 cluster and it works fine with the older system.
P.S. The sensors have to be configured and activated before installation!
Last edited by PARADOX_sf; 11-16-2021 at 06:14 AM.
Why on earth would you have to remove the Dashboard and heating unit? I realize one has to mount the antennas and connect the wire loom to them, but I wouldn’t think the entire Dashboard would have to be removed?
Also, is there a specific reason why one couldn’t use a later model (say W212) antenna and use it with 433 freq TPMS Sensors? As long as it can read the 433freq sensors, convert what it reads to CAN, why couldn’t one try that route, as compared to mounting antennas in each well. I understand from others that their 2007 E63’s have the cluster module built-in, so being mine was NOT setup with TPMS, doesn’t necessarily mean the Instrumentation Cluster isn’t in there, although I’m not sure?
All I have noticed is that people suggest that a particular model MUST use such and such, but due to what? My 2007 E63 EPC shows both Beru and Seimens, so sure, both should be doable, but that doesn’t mean a later model OEM Receiver Antenna (ie-no Wheel Well Antennae) Won’t work, does it?
Why on earth would you have to remove the Dashboard and heating unit? I realize one has to mount the antennas and connect the wire loom to them, but I wouldn’t think the entire Dashboard would have to be removed?
Also, is there a specific reason why one couldn’t use a later model (say W212) antenna and use it with 433 freq TPMS Sensors? As long as it can read the 433freq sensors, convert what it reads to CAN, why couldn’t one try that route, as compared to mounting antennas in each well. I understand from others that their 2007 E63’s have the cluster module built-in, so being mine was NOT setup with TPMS, doesn’t necessarily mean the Instrumentation Cluster isn’t in there, although I’m not sure?
All I have noticed is that people suggest that a particular model MUST use such and such, but due to what? My 2007 E63 EPC shows both Beru and Seimens, so sure, both should be doable, but that doesn’t mean a later model OEM Receiver Antenna (ie-no Wheel Well Antennae) Won’t work, does it?
Because there is no other way to install the extra wiring. If you decide to install a newer system you have to remove all the carpets too. Late model 486 (2005.6 up) has 3 antennas, older model 485 has 4(up to 2005.6).
Last edited by PARADOX_sf; 11-19-2021 at 12:59 PM.
Well, as I said, I’m geared up for a stereo install, so I’ll be removing all seats, spraying via an Air Compressor and special gun dampener coating the floor and wheel wells etc., so I will have access to all parts internal. However, no-one but you has indicated that the entire dashboard needs to be removed? If I drill into the wheel wells, I’m pretty sure I could route the wires for the antennas up front to come out at the footwells, as compared routing them through the firewall!
Also, since MY is 2007 E63, might I be able to install the later year(s) 475-486? I guess I’ll have to get the car up on Jack stands again and get the tires removed from the wheels in order to program the SeimensTPMS?!? Kind of a beating, but manageable.
) of the TPMS Sensor I had installed and it shows that it is indeed a Schrader 433 TPMS! I had assumed it was Siemens as that is what my EPC States for my 2007 E63, but when I called the Benz Parts guy I deal with locally (as I do when I need a part in a pinch, otherwise I order wholesale online!) I said I needed 433 due to my thinking that the AVIN HU I’m planning on installing being able to read any 433, (but I was misinformed about that by the “Tech” at AVIN!) so he provided me 4 (000-905-39-07) which turn out are Schrader after all! As such I think I can install the relatively easier to install TPMS system, am I correct on this?
here you are a photo of where rear antenna is installed for a version 485 of this option. The fronts are in front wheel arches. No need to drill extra holes.
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