NEW V6 & V8 CDI and V6 Engines
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NEW V6 & V8 CDI and V6 Engines
Translation from an http://www.jesmb.de/indexie.htm article
NEW V6 & V8 CDI and V6 Engines
V6 CDI and V6 fuel engines will be available with the 7G-Tronic:
C 280 CDI with 190 HP and 3.0 liters of V6-CDI (OM642) approx.. February/March 05
C 320 CDI with 231 HP and 3.0 liters of V6-CDI (OM642) ca. February/March 05
C 230, 2.3 liters of V6 M272 with 204 HP starting from June 2005
C 280, 2.8 liters of V6 M272 with 231 HP starting from June 2005
C 350, 3.5 liters of V6 M272 with 272 HP starting from June 2005
E 350, 3.5 liters of V6 M272 with 272 HP starting from December 2004
E 280 CDI with 190 HP of 3.0 liters of V6-CDI (OM642) approx. June 2005
E 320 CDI with 231 HP of 3.0 liters of V6-CDI (OM642) approx. June 2005
E 280 V6 M272 with 231 HP of 2.8 liters of June 2005
E 400 CDI V8 OM629 with 300 HP off approx. September 2005
E 320 CDI 4matic V6-CDI of 3.0 liters of 231 HP off approx. September 2005
Both CDI's 280 CDI and 320 CDI will come beside C and e-class also into the CLK as well as into the new m-class.
The s-class and the CLS get only the large 320 CDI.
Current CDI of models like 270 CDI and 400 CDI those not yet the European Union 4 fulfills, can until January 06 be further-built. Only new models must fulfill 05 European Union 4 starting from January. Thus takes place the conversion new 400 CDI in September 05 and 280 CDI for 270 CDI still in time.
Source:JES Community forum (Thread:"Motorenpolitik")
NEW V6 & V8 CDI and V6 Engines
V6 CDI and V6 fuel engines will be available with the 7G-Tronic:
C 280 CDI with 190 HP and 3.0 liters of V6-CDI (OM642) approx.. February/March 05
C 320 CDI with 231 HP and 3.0 liters of V6-CDI (OM642) ca. February/March 05
C 230, 2.3 liters of V6 M272 with 204 HP starting from June 2005
C 280, 2.8 liters of V6 M272 with 231 HP starting from June 2005
C 350, 3.5 liters of V6 M272 with 272 HP starting from June 2005
E 350, 3.5 liters of V6 M272 with 272 HP starting from December 2004
E 280 CDI with 190 HP of 3.0 liters of V6-CDI (OM642) approx. June 2005
E 320 CDI with 231 HP of 3.0 liters of V6-CDI (OM642) approx. June 2005
E 280 V6 M272 with 231 HP of 2.8 liters of June 2005
E 400 CDI V8 OM629 with 300 HP off approx. September 2005
E 320 CDI 4matic V6-CDI of 3.0 liters of 231 HP off approx. September 2005
Both CDI's 280 CDI and 320 CDI will come beside C and e-class also into the CLK as well as into the new m-class.
The s-class and the CLS get only the large 320 CDI.
Current CDI of models like 270 CDI and 400 CDI those not yet the European Union 4 fulfills, can until January 06 be further-built. Only new models must fulfill 05 European Union 4 starting from January. Thus takes place the conversion new 400 CDI in September 05 and 280 CDI for 270 CDI still in time.
Source:JES Community forum (Thread:"Motorenpolitik")
Last edited by dewuser; 08-02-2004 at 07:23 PM.
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great info!! Will the C230, C280, and E280 be coming to the states? I'm taking it the 280 would replace the 2.6 liter V6 in the C240, and the C230 replace the supercharged I-4 in the C230 kompressor?
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Here is what is known:
CURRENT V6
2.6L 18 - valve V6 - 168 hp
3.2L 18 - valve V6 - 215 hp
NEW V6
3.5L 24 – valve V6 - 268 hp (currently available on the SLK350)
2.3L ?? – valve V6 - 204 hp
2.8L ?? – valve V6 - 231 hp
Here is where we need more info:
How many valves for the 2.3L and 2.8L engines?
So theoretically the following could happen:
2.3 V6 replaces the 1.8L I4
2.8 V6 replaces the 2.6L V6
3.5 V6 replaces the 3.2L V6
CURRENT V6
2.6L 18 - valve V6 - 168 hp
3.2L 18 - valve V6 - 215 hp
NEW V6
3.5L 24 – valve V6 - 268 hp (currently available on the SLK350)
2.3L ?? – valve V6 - 204 hp
2.8L ?? – valve V6 - 231 hp
Here is where we need more info:
How many valves for the 2.3L and 2.8L engines?
So theoretically the following could happen:
2.3 V6 replaces the 1.8L I4
2.8 V6 replaces the 2.6L V6
3.5 V6 replaces the 3.2L V6
Last edited by dewuser; 08-02-2004 at 09:00 PM.
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Originally Posted by dewuser
I don’t know what engines will be replaced but here is what is known:
CURRENT V6
2.6L 18 - valve V6 - 168 hp
3.2L 18 - valve V6 - 215 hp
NEW V6
3.5L 24 – valve V6 - 268 hp (currently available on the SLK350)
2.3L ?? – valve V6 - 204 hp
2.8L ?? – valve V6 - 231 hp
Here is where we need more info:
How many valves for the 2.3L and 2.8L engines?
CURRENT V6
2.6L 18 - valve V6 - 168 hp
3.2L 18 - valve V6 - 215 hp
NEW V6
3.5L 24 – valve V6 - 268 hp (currently available on the SLK350)
2.3L ?? – valve V6 - 204 hp
2.8L ?? – valve V6 - 231 hp
Here is where we need more info:
How many valves for the 2.3L and 2.8L engines?
PS- I think this 2.3 liter V6 has just become the smallest V6 car engine ever built,lol
Last edited by akbro93704; 08-02-2004 at 08:08 PM.
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Originally Posted by dewuser
Translation from an http://www.jesmb.de/indexie.htm article
NEW V6 & V8 CDI and V6 Engines
V6 CDI and V6 fuel engines will be available with the 7G-Tronic:
C 280 CDI with 190 HP and 3.0 liters of V6-CDI (OM642) approx.. February/March 05
C 320 CDI with 231 HP and 3.0 liters of V6-CDI (OM642) ca. February/March 05
C 230, 2.3 liters of V6 M272 with 204 HP starting from June 2005
C 280, 2.8 liters of V6 M272 with 231 HP starting from June 2005
C 350, 3.5 liters of V6 M272 with 272 HP starting from June 2005
E 350, 3.5 liters of V6 M272 with 272 HP starting from December 2004
E 280 CDI with 190 HP of 3.0 liters of V6-CDI (OM642) approx. June 2005
E 320 CDI with 231 HP of 3.0 liters of V6-CDI (OM642) approx. June 2005
E 280 V6 M272 with 231 HP of 2.8 liters of June 2005
E 400 CDI V8 OM629 with 300 HP off approx. September 2005
E 320 CDI 4matic V6-CDI of 3.0 liters of 231 HP off approx. September 2005
Both CDI's 280 CDI and 320 CDI will come beside C and e-class also into the CLK as well as into the new m-class.
The s-class and the CLS get only the large 320 CDI.
Current CDI of models like 270 CDI and 400 CDI those not yet the European Union 4 fulfills, can until January 06 be further-built. Only new models must fulfill 05 European Union 4 starting from January. Thus takes place the conversion new 400 CDI in September 05 and 280 CDI for 270 CDI still in time.
Source:JES Community forum (Thread:"Motorenpolitik")
NEW V6 & V8 CDI and V6 Engines
V6 CDI and V6 fuel engines will be available with the 7G-Tronic:
C 280 CDI with 190 HP and 3.0 liters of V6-CDI (OM642) approx.. February/March 05
C 320 CDI with 231 HP and 3.0 liters of V6-CDI (OM642) ca. February/March 05
C 230, 2.3 liters of V6 M272 with 204 HP starting from June 2005
C 280, 2.8 liters of V6 M272 with 231 HP starting from June 2005
C 350, 3.5 liters of V6 M272 with 272 HP starting from June 2005
E 350, 3.5 liters of V6 M272 with 272 HP starting from December 2004
E 280 CDI with 190 HP of 3.0 liters of V6-CDI (OM642) approx. June 2005
E 320 CDI with 231 HP of 3.0 liters of V6-CDI (OM642) approx. June 2005
E 280 V6 M272 with 231 HP of 2.8 liters of June 2005
E 400 CDI V8 OM629 with 300 HP off approx. September 2005
E 320 CDI 4matic V6-CDI of 3.0 liters of 231 HP off approx. September 2005
Both CDI's 280 CDI and 320 CDI will come beside C and e-class also into the CLK as well as into the new m-class.
The s-class and the CLS get only the large 320 CDI.
Current CDI of models like 270 CDI and 400 CDI those not yet the European Union 4 fulfills, can until January 06 be further-built. Only new models must fulfill 05 European Union 4 starting from January. Thus takes place the conversion new 400 CDI in September 05 and 280 CDI for 270 CDI still in time.
Source:JES Community forum (Thread:"Motorenpolitik")
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Originally Posted by akbro93704
Given that the 2.3 and 2.8 have a high amount of horsepower per liter, the 2.3 and 2.8 would mostly likely be 24-valve DOHC as well, just smaller versions of the new 3.5 with the same high tech design...
PS- I think this 2.3 liter V6 has just become the smallest V6 car engine ever built,lol
PS- I think this 2.3 liter V6 has just become the smallest V6 car engine ever built,lol
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So theoretically the following could happen:
2.3 V6 replaces the 1.8L I4
2.8 V6 replaces the 2.6L V6
3.5 V6 replaces the 3.2L V6
2.3 V6 replaces the 1.8L I4
2.8 V6 replaces the 2.6L V6
3.5 V6 replaces the 3.2L V6
It may be that the B-CLASS will get the 1.8L I4 to be cost effective!
Well at this point, it’s all speculations!
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Originally Posted by akbro93704
PS- I think this 2.3 liter V6 has just become the smallest V6 car engine ever built,lol
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I'm wondering if this new family of 4 valve V6s will even physically fit in the engine bay of a W203...the current 2.6/3.2 is already huge (width-wise) and a 4 cam/4 valve based on this engine will be even wider...
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Originally Posted by akbro93704
Given that the 2.3 and 2.8 have a high amount of horsepower per liter, the 2.3 and 2.8 would mostly likely be 24-valve DOHC as well, just smaller versions of the new 3.5 with the same high tech design...
PS- I think this 2.3 liter V6 has just become the smallest V6 car engine ever built,lol
PS- I think this 2.3 liter V6 has just become the smallest V6 car engine ever built,lol
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Maybe the new 2.8 Liter engine will replace the 3.2?
The old W202 line up used to be:
C180
C200
C220 (Later replaced by C230, then C230K)
C280
C36 (Later replaced by C43)
And it evolved into W203:
C180K
C200K
C230K
C240
C320
C32K (Replaced by C55)
Maybe with the new generation, the 2.8 will be at the top of the non-AMG C-Classes, and at the bottom of the E-Class.
The old W202 line up used to be:
C180
C200
C220 (Later replaced by C230, then C230K)
C280
C36 (Later replaced by C43)
And it evolved into W203:
C180K
C200K
C230K
C240
C320
C32K (Replaced by C55)
Maybe with the new generation, the 2.8 will be at the top of the non-AMG C-Classes, and at the bottom of the E-Class.
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Originally Posted by [180]
Maybe the new 2.8 Liter engine will replace the 3.2?
The old W202 line up used to be:
C180
C200
C220 (Later replaced by C230, then C230K)
C280
C36 (Later replaced by C43)
And it evolved into W203:
C180K
C200K
C230K
C240
C320
C32K (Replaced by C55)
Maybe with the new generation, the 2.8 will be at the top of the non-AMG C-Classes, and at the bottom of the E-Class.
The old W202 line up used to be:
C180
C200
C220 (Later replaced by C230, then C230K)
C280
C36 (Later replaced by C43)
And it evolved into W203:
C180K
C200K
C230K
C240
C320
C32K (Replaced by C55)
Maybe with the new generation, the 2.8 will be at the top of the non-AMG C-Classes, and at the bottom of the E-Class.
EDIT: I-6 in the BMW, not v-6 sorry.
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Originally Posted by ****
I'm wondering if this new family of 4 valve V6s will even physically fit in the engine bay of a W203...the current 2.6/3.2 is already huge (width-wise) and a 4 cam/4 valve based on this engine will be even wider...
Personally, I am looking forward to the new range of V6s, valve timingm variable induction length, DOHC...etc etc , great marketing boost for Benz to the very least
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Originally Posted by Jon200
I am sure they will, Benz engineers are smart and they wouldn't have made the engine if they couldn't be fitted into the C class.
Personally, I am looking forward to the new range of V6s, valve timingm variable induction length, DOHC...etc etc , great marketing boost for Benz to the very least
Personally, I am looking forward to the new range of V6s, valve timingm variable induction length, DOHC...etc etc , great marketing boost for Benz to the very least
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Does that mean that all the M272 V6 engines will have the same new technology, just different bore sizes -- 2.3L, 2.8L and 3.5L?
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I can already see it !! a 350 to replace my 320 engine... and then add a pulley kit, and then supercharge it, and then....
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If Mercedes holds to past trends the bore size will probably be the same - they'll shorten the stoke to reduce displacement.
I would not mind a High revving V6 on a C-Class
Originally Posted by Saprissa
I can already see it !! a 350 to replace my 320 engine... and then add a pulley kit, and then supercharge it, and then....
SLK320 was replaced by the SLK350
SLK32 was replaced by the SLK55
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If those facts are correct, it's good to see they're gonna bring back the 2.8 w/ more horsepower and replace the wimpy 2.4 in the C 240 (no offense to those in here who drive a C 240, this is just one man's opinion).
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BTW prodigy, the 323i had a 2.5 liter 170 hp engine. It was badged 323i to make it seem like there was more seperation between the 323 (actually 325) and the 328. Even the Z3 was badged Z3 2.3 despite being a 2.5! Gotta love the marketing guys...
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Originally Posted by davis449
If those facts are correct, it's good to see they're gonna bring back the 2.8 w/ more horsepower and replace the wimpy 2.4 in the C 240 (no offense to those in here who drive a C 240, this is just one man's opinion).
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2013 c300 4matic, 2002 c240
wow. glad to see diesel coming to the US in a C. then probably wouldn't have to make so many trips to the gas station (of course, this is assuming that if i had my car and actually driving it around)
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Well, I'm not too sure if they will even bring in a diesel in the c class.
It would be nice to see a diesel in all model ranges in mercedes line up here in the states. I wonder if anyone can clarify that.
It would be nice to see a diesel in all model ranges in mercedes line up here in the states. I wonder if anyone can clarify that.
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wow. glad to see diesel coming to the US in a C. then probably wouldn't have to make so many trips to the gas station (of course, this is assuming that if i had my car and actually driving it around)
I don’t know about the DIESEL Mercedes Benz coming to the US in masses, because according to the new CALIFORNIA emissions law you can’t even sell a new DIESEL vehicle, unless it’s used.
Well since CALIFORNIA accounts for a great percentage of Mercedes Benz sales in US, I wouldn’t count on them bringing DIESEL powered cars