vic viper

Also remember that a newly mounted tire is filled with non compressed air before pressurizing it with nitrogen, this means that the tire never will have 100% N, reducing the small advantages even further.

Its already stated that even nitrogen filled tires looses pressure, and as said before, how do you fill up with more nitrogen just anywhere?

micropower99

Honestly, I would fill up with nitrogen if they had it at every gas station or at even some. Even if I had to pay a little bit (couple bucks) I';d be fine with it. But what stops me from using it is the lack of places to get it in case I need it.

ctgilles

Can you even read?? I didn't cite that article, I just quoted it to show that various people with an IQ starting at 60 see that there's NO advantage in nitrogen.

An oxygen molecule is 8 PICOMETRES, that's 8*10^(-12). OMG HUGE HOLE!?!

I usually use the latest F1 technology on my 93 Camry


Btw, I fill my tyres with N2O because it's even more badass and faster

mikestyle

ya and how about you learn how to spell......tyres lol

FrankW

ctgilles

Tires, or tyres (in American and British English, respectively), are ring-shaped parts, either pneumatic or solid (including rubber, metals and plastic composites), that fit around wheels to protect them and enhance their function.

In Europe, we use proper English. And I already speak 4 languages lol, even if I made a spelling error so what? This thread is about nitrogen scamming.

C300Sport

ctgilles

Yeah I know, but I can get so worked up when I know I'm right. And that's 100,99% of the time

nychokeyplaya35

there is a difference for those cheapos who wont pay extra bucks for nitrogen prolly the same dudes riding round on stock 16's. The company I got it with guaruantees a lot of different features or they will replace ur tire/wheels.

JimPap

I'm running nitrogen in my tires and frankly I have no idea if its any better or not. I'm compulsive obsessive about tire pressure and there is no doubt that there is a difference between cold pressure vs tire pressure after I've driven a few miles. Don't be misled to believe that the tire pressure doesn't change.

One thing that did occur to me is that if air is 78% nitrogen and its the oxygen molecule that seeps out due to it being smaller, by refilling your tire wouldn't you eventually get to a higher nitrogen percentage?

JimPap

That's what I concluded as well.

I also agree that its mostly a marketing tool to get customers in more often giving them an opportunity to sell tires and other products and services.

vic viper

Cheap? try smart instead, I dont pay for something that is free.

I can live with checking my pressure 5% more often than you Nitrogen believers.

amdeutsch

P. T. Barnum??

Glyn M Ruck

Nitrogen is a huge waste of time in a road going car & can prevent the tyres from becoming warm enough for the tyre compound to provide maximum available grip. It's already damn hard to provide life. In racing it is crucial for very obvious reasons.

Spend your money on premium tyres & brakes - don't waste it on Nitrogen

RedG

The point of contention isn't where it is availible it is if it provides a benefit over traditionally compressed air inflated tires, and it does. Not sure how you all can read the facts I posted that corroborate it, even in the slightest, that show nitrogen leaks less than air-filled tires.

Irrelevant. The person wasn't intelligent enough to realize that there is a difference between the tires maximum inflation pressure and the vehicles recommend inflation pressure. So really, you didn't prove anything of any sort, great job puffing nothing but smoke all over the place...

Besides your superbly subtle sarcasm...you seem to have no actual understanding that a small difference in size can lead to quite a difference in leakage. And nitrogen tire inflation has been around since the 1960s, its hardly new.

Scamming because YOU don't understand it, because YOU don't see (because you obviously have not read) anything I've posted. Because YOU obviously haven't actually ever tried using it.

There are marketing tools that create a competitive advantage that ALSO provide a benefit for the customer to use, why shouldn't there be? If I'm in the tire business why do I want my customers doing any kind of service to their tires? Why would I want them to even rotate their tires? Why would I want them to do anything to could extend the life of anything on their car?

All those things that help the customer care for their vehicle just shorten my pocketbook, why should I promote or provide a service like nitrogen tire inflation that extends a customers tire life, causing them to buy less product from me in the long run?


Besides spouting off about stuff you obviously have no first hand experience with, would you like to actually back up your claims, and prove it? My guess is you, nor anyone else actually will take up the challenge. But go ahead claim it doesn't work without any sort of effort on your part.

vic viper

Nobody is saying that Nitrogen doesnt work, it just doesnt work good enought to be worth the effort.

Yes I have tried N, for over two years, but the differences were so small that I couldnt notice them,
There is no way in hell that you can benefit the same advantages with a road car as a race driver or an airplane or even the NASA Space Shuttle.
The only thing left is the fact that N filled tires doesnt leak as much, but as already mentioned before, the difference is so puny it is ridiculous.

You go on ahead and spend money on your bogus gas, I like many others will happily stick with free and available air.

acr2001

That's just it - none of the people in this thread need to "make any effort" to prove you wrong because your own links do it for us. The difference on a street car, even with a very aggressive driver is unnoticeable in every way. Get over it.

Assuming we believe you that the oxygen escapes first because it is smaller than nitrogen (its hardly smaller) then most of us ARE driving around with nitrogen filled tires, naturally. Every time you "top off" your tire with AIR the level of oxygen remaining in the tire must decrease. In your world the 78% nitrogen in the air probably winds up closer to 90% after a tire has been topped off a few times. So congratulations, you just proved yourself wrong on top of all the other reasoning.

JimPap

Agreed.

There's probably more of an advantage by properly torqueing the valve stems.

mikestyle

tyres......ok then i never knew were were in medieval era





anyways, it all boils down to opportunity cost...... and paying for N is definitely not worth it, PERIOD.

JimPap

Technically, "tyres" is more current than "tires."

mikestyle

says who?

JimPap

Check Wikipedia here

http://www.google.com/search?q=tyres...x=&startPage=1

mikestyle

Ok

1. its Wikipedia

2. There is no citation

3. its Wikipedia

JimPap

I was just thinking about the word for "tyre" (lol) in Greek. It comes out something like rothas. ....and that's as far back as I'm willing to go. Think they used tar on thos chariot wheels, though. I bet they debated the merits of tar from different sources. Maybe some had a little more nitrogen than others.

mikestyle

ahahahahahahahahahaah




i bet u the tires with the nitro are still around!