W204's and offsets of wheels
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Your out of state right? Yeah sorry I do not know how to help you there, except if your willing to ship your SAM here to Washington, someone does it on the side, I'm sure you have read the thread on it. But that would mean shipping cost and down time for you. Sorry I can't point your to a better direction. BUT beefing up the suspension will definitely give you back some good feeling when your driving spiritedly.
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Hey guys....I posted a while back on the replicas I was getting...had em on for a while now...still rubbing and can't get fix it yet....rims I have are +45 offset front and rear 19 8.5 19.5.... tires I'm running are 225/40 and 255/35....basically the same setup popp has....I even put 5mm spacers in the back and imo it made the rubbing worst....my next step will be getting the fenders shaved....what should I do? Car is stock height
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You are running tires that are tall and possible has square shoulders. Adding spacers lowers your ET, from 45 to 40 which makes it worst.
Hey guys....I posted a while back on the replicas I was getting...had em on for a while now...still rubbing and can't get fix it yet....rims I have are +45 offset front and rear 19 8.5 19.5.... tires I'm running are 225/40 and 255/35....basically the same setup popp has....I even put 5mm spacers in the back and imo it made the rubbing worst....my next step will be getting the fenders shaved....what should I do? Car is stock height
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ok sorry, I didn't want to get ahead of you, but my suggestion is to get tires that have a rounded shoulder and or a tire that isn't as tall as your spec. For example, and I don't mean to repeat this if you arealdy know. 225/40/19 225=width/40=40% of width and 19 is the rim diameter. So generally we run sizes 235/35/19 for fronts and 265/30 rear. So the 235/35 runs a smaller diameter than the 225/40, the 235/35 will give more clearance around the fender. If I'm not mistaken and anyone can correct me, you are above the 3% margin in diameter with your tire size vs stock diameter.
Now I don't know how bad our rubbing is, but if you really want to run those sizes, rolling the fenders and getting different brand tires that have a more rounded shoulder would fix this. The only thing that would be different is your speed on the speedometer, only by a small difference tho.
Now I don't know how bad our rubbing is, but if you really want to run those sizes, rolling the fenders and getting different brand tires that have a more rounded shoulder would fix this. The only thing that would be different is your speed on the speedometer, only by a small difference tho.
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C320
And other question: If I decide to keep my MB Difda wheels which is 8x18 ET44 225/40 every corner so how wide spacers I need ? I gonna lower with SS in every case =) Thanks and sorry about my english
EDIT: How can I know which tyre brands are "skinny" ? Tyre brands doesn´t mention about that and when I look different tyres brand they all looks same
( I feel sooo stupid) D
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Hi, Well most of the tire you mentioned are pretty much what everyone else is using in reference to "skinny" tires. You will notice most of them have the design that have a more rounded shoulder. I am sorry I do not know of any other tire that might be rounder, maybe look at dunlop or continental?
On the rims, you are at margin at ET44 for clearance without problem. You should not need any spacers.
Don't worry about the english, but please do double check with a local tire shop about fitment, as I am not a professional, but only speak on previous experience on fitting, alignment, and my own research. Much of my information is from other members here helping as I was in the same shoes as you once. Hope I could help you in anyway. Good Luck, pictures when it's all done.
On the rims, you are at margin at ET44 for clearance without problem. You should not need any spacers.
Don't worry about the english, but please do double check with a local tire shop about fitment, as I am not a professional, but only speak on previous experience on fitting, alignment, and my own research. Much of my information is from other members here helping as I was in the same shoes as you once. Hope I could help you in anyway. Good Luck, pictures when it's all done.
OK, thanks ! Couple questions more. Is there any other "skinny" tyre brands than Sumimoto, Falken and Nitto ? In Finland is quite hard to find these brand of tyres =/ Falken yes but it cost about 850 € which is almost 1000 $ =/ Any others ?
And other question: If I decide to keep my MB Difda wheels which is 8x18 ET44 225/40 every corner so how wide spacers I need ? I gonna lower with SS in every case =) Thanks and sorry about my english
EDIT: How can I know which tyre brands are "skinny" ? Tyre brands doesn´t mention about that and when I look different tyres brand they all looks same ( I feel sooo stupid) D
And other question: If I decide to keep my MB Difda wheels which is 8x18 ET44 225/40 every corner so how wide spacers I need ? I gonna lower with SS in every case =) Thanks and sorry about my english
EDIT: How can I know which tyre brands are "skinny" ? Tyre brands doesn´t mention about that and when I look different tyres brand they all looks same
( I feel sooo stupid) D
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Hi, Well most of the tire you mentioned are pretty much what everyone else is using in reference to "skinny" tires. You will notice most of them have the design that have a more rounded shoulder. I am sorry I do not know of any other tire that might be rounder, maybe look at dunlop or continental?
On the rims, you are at margin at ET44 for clearance without problem. You should not need any spacers.
Don't worry about the english, but please do double check with a local tire shop about fitment, as I am not a professional, but only speak on previous experience on fitting, alignment, and my own research. Much of my information is from other members here helping as I was in the same shoes as you once. Hope I could help you in anyway. Good Luck, pictures when it's all done.
On the rims, you are at margin at ET44 for clearance without problem. You should not need any spacers.
Don't worry about the english, but please do double check with a local tire shop about fitment, as I am not a professional, but only speak on previous experience on fitting, alignment, and my own research. Much of my information is from other members here helping as I was in the same shoes as you once. Hope I could help you in anyway. Good Luck, pictures when it's all done.
EDIT: I found 19" rims F 8,5x19 ET45 and same in rear. These gonna work good with SuperSports and 235/35 every corner ? Even 255/30 rear and front 235/35 ? Which tiresetup is better ? And I don´t have to be worry about that is my tire "skinny" with these 8,5 wide wheels ?
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It does not matter what the rim width is, it is the ET that determines how flush you are to the fender or sunken in the wheel well. ET45 on a 8.5 wheel, is the same distance on a wheel that is 9.5. The change in an ET45 8.5 and 9.5 will be the inner wheel clearance.
So your question on the wheel spacer, if you add a 10mm on the front you are actually lowering your ET meaning pushing the wheel closer to the fender. So from ET45 +10 will get your ET35, which will be past the fender by about 9mm. I'm sure you get where you will be on the rear. ET44 for front and rear is safe with a flush look. I would ask someone who is running SS springs about how much clearance they get after lowering. I do not know if the wheels sink into the wheel arches or if they have a finger or two space left in height.
As far as the rim you have found, I would run 235/35 all around, just because you are running 19x8.5 all around. This will allow you to rotate tires. If you choose to run the 255/30, there will be a slight look difference, since you are running a wider tire on a 8.5 width rim. Plus I think if you choose to rotate, you will not want to run the wider tire up front. I also see that you are in a budget, so the ability to rotate would be more of a value to you.
So if you want to run any tire and not worry about rounded shoulders, or brand specific "skinny" tires, I would look for rims that have at the minimum ET45 for front or back on your W204. Hope that helps.
Also if anyone has anything to add, or correct me, please do so.
So your question on the wheel spacer, if you add a 10mm on the front you are actually lowering your ET meaning pushing the wheel closer to the fender. So from ET45 +10 will get your ET35, which will be past the fender by about 9mm. I'm sure you get where you will be on the rear. ET44 for front and rear is safe with a flush look. I would ask someone who is running SS springs about how much clearance they get after lowering. I do not know if the wheels sink into the wheel arches or if they have a finger or two space left in height.
As far as the rim you have found, I would run 235/35 all around, just because you are running 19x8.5 all around. This will allow you to rotate tires. If you choose to run the 255/30, there will be a slight look difference, since you are running a wider tire on a 8.5 width rim. Plus I think if you choose to rotate, you will not want to run the wider tire up front. I also see that you are in a budget, so the ability to rotate would be more of a value to you.
So if you want to run any tire and not worry about rounded shoulders, or brand specific "skinny" tires, I would look for rims that have at the minimum ET45 for front or back on your W204. Hope that helps.
Also if anyone has anything to add, or correct me, please do so.
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I tried showing this to everyone before and no one listened. Use this calculator and you will have absolute answers to all wheels questions. It is what everyone in the stance scene or show scene uses.
http://www.willtheyfit.com/
http://www.willtheyfit.com/
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good to know... I will delete my post so that no one will be confused. I must be confused myself... my memory has lapse since my last schooling from here.
Please refer to website provided, or checkout http://www.1010tires.com/WheelOffsetCalculator.asp
Sorry.
Please refer to website provided, or checkout http://www.1010tires.com/WheelOffsetCalculator.asp
Sorry.
That is totally incorrect. Wheel Width absolutely changes the way the wheel sits. A 9.5 ET 45 will stick out 12mm further than a 8.5 ET 45. Same offset will put each wheel further out from the hub by half the difference of the overall wheel width. One inch difference = roughly 12 mm more the wheel will sit away from the hub, half inch would be 6 mm further out and so on
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I tried showing this to everyone before and no one listened. Use this calculator and you will have absolute answers to all wheels questions. It is what everyone in the stance scene or show scene uses.
http://www.willtheyfit.com/
http://www.willtheyfit.com/
THANK YOU CLEANBENZ !!! So once again: If all wheel specs are same, but only width changes 9.5 to 8.5 (different between 9.5 and 8.5 is 25mm) so 8.5 wheel is 12,5mm narrow from outside and inside of wheel. So from fender lip 8.5 wheel is 12,5mm more inside than 9.5.
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Yes you can with no problems. You'll probably want to run spacers in the rears though as they will be sunk further into the wheel well than the fronts. I suggest 10 or 12mm hubcentric. Tires depend on what look you are going for. Personally I'd run a 225/35 but if you don't want any kind of a stretch go 235/35 or even 245/35.
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Yes you can with no problems. You'll probably want to run spacers in the rears though as they will be sunk further into the wheel well than the fronts. I suggest 10 or 12mm hubcentric. Tires depend on what look you are going for. Personally I'd run a 225/35 but if you don't want any kind of a stretch go 235/35 or even 245/35.
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No spacers in the front. Just the rear. It'll be more sunk in the rear than it will in the front. With 10mm spacers you will need longer lug bolts. OEM is M14x1.50 with a 27mm shank so ones with 32 or 37mm will do.
225/35/19 19x9 ET45
245/30/19 19x9 ET35 (With 10mm spacers)
Final should be something like that.
225/35/19 19x9 ET45
245/30/19 19x9 ET35 (With 10mm spacers)
Final should be something like that.
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No spacers in the front. Just the rear. It'll be more sunk in the rear than it will in the front. With 10mm spacers you will need longer lug bolts. OEM is M14x1.50 with a 27mm shank so ones with 32 or 37mm will do.
225/35/19 19x9 ET45
245/30/19 19x9 ET35 (With 10mm spacers)
Final should be something like that.
225/35/19 19x9 ET45
245/30/19 19x9 ET35 (With 10mm spacers)
Final should be something like that.
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Quick questions guys, if I could get some feedback. I have a c300 4matic and I bought some of the BBS LM reps from Powerprowheels, The wheel size is 18-8.5 45ET 225/40 front and 18-9.5 ET35 255/35 rears, the rear were sticking out way to far. So they gave me another option, I am going with 18-8.5 45ET all around with a staggered tire size set up 225/40 front and 255/35 rears, Now my questions is do you know if this would be ok to run with a 4matic, I search around and they all say as long as the tire radius and circumference are within 2%, which I believe the tires are but the wheels them self are not staggered, will this effect the 4matic system at all? those any one know?? Just thought this post would be the place to ask. thanks
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I tried showing this to everyone before and no one listened. Use this calculator and you will have absolute answers to all wheels questions. It is what everyone in the stance scene or show scene uses.
http://www.willtheyfit.com/
http://www.willtheyfit.com/
One other caution for using it in non-stance sizes, 50-55 series with bulging sidewalls. The width is not a held dimension, but is roughly calculated from the precise height and aspect ratio. I've measured two different brand 225-50-16 series tires, and the width varied by more than an inch.
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From my experience, even when I had my S4, you can run Staggered, as long as your radius is with in the 3% of each other.
Quick questions guys, if I could get some feedback. I have a c300 4matic and I bought some of the BBS LM reps from Powerprowheels, The wheel size is 18-8.5 45ET 225/40 front and 18-9.5 ET35 255/35 rears, the rear were sticking out way to far. So they gave me another option, I am going with 18-8.5 45ET all around with a staggered tire size set up 225/40 front and 255/35 rears, Now my questions is do you know if this would be ok to run with a 4matic, I search around and they all say as long as the tire radius and circumference are within 2%, which I believe the tires are but the wheels them self are not staggered, will this effect the 4matic system at all? those any one know?? Just thought this post would be the place to ask. thanks
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hi all)) auto C300 4Matic
what do you think about
rear - 10x19, ET50, tires 275/30
front - 8,5x19, ET45, tires 235/35
front wheel is fine)) but the ratio of the front and rear tires, as well as the width of the rear wheels and ET, it worries me
plz help
what do you think about
rear - 10x19, ET50, tires 275/30
front - 8,5x19, ET45, tires 235/35
front wheel is fine)) but the ratio of the front and rear tires, as well as the width of the rear wheels and ET, it worries me
plz help
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2011 W204 C300 mm pano
I have a 10 in the rear and unless you are willing to put the time into picking the right rear tire you will have issues
