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Old Mar 6, 2011 | 01:58 AM
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HELP...!!!!!! my car won't start.. :(

it suddenly happened... it keeps saying "ESP not operational., see the user manual"... but after trying for like 50 times., it run for like 30 seconds n' died again... n' then it won't start anymore.. not even the starter motor... before that., this evening., it started dying when i hit the red lights., i turn it bac on., it starts but it didn't happen when i cruising arnd like 2000 rpm... so., i got home., i stopped the engine for like 1, 1 and half hour n' it juz happened... pls help guys... i was planned to show my car at FOS n' seems i won't make it...
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Old Mar 6, 2011 | 10:08 AM
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The common problems are the EIS (electronic ignition switch), front SAM or the CPS (crankshaft position sensor).
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Old Mar 6, 2011 | 11:10 AM
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Found this.

The ESP control module (N47/5) that originates this fault signal, takes continuous inputs from many sources, and computes a result to determine if the situation is normal/abnormal. So you can take your pick from the following:

1. 4 wheel speed sensors
2. steering angle sensor
3. lateral acceleration sensor
4. yaw rate sensor
5. ESP brake pressure sensor
6. stop lamp switch
7. parking brake switch
8. ME-SFI control module
9. ETC control module
10 ESP OFF switch
11. BAS release switch
12. BAS diaphragm travel sensor.
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Old Mar 6, 2011 | 02:24 PM
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Frighteningly complicated piece of equipment. Oh... ,for JUST the fuel shut off valve being electronic. ....
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Old Mar 6, 2011 | 03:56 PM
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The ESP not being operational will not prevent the car from starting.
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Old Mar 6, 2011 | 05:18 PM
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ESP not...

Originally Posted by Glyn M Ruck
The ESP not being operational will not prevent the car from starting.
The ESP warning can be seen at startup with nothing else affected and a restart restores normalcy.

Electronic constipation.

BTDT.
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Old Mar 11, 2011 | 12:31 AM
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BUMP... bad news.. dealer said my ecu is fried.. n' they won't warranty it cuz' i hav the ecu tune... did anyone experience this after the powerchip tuned..?? they also said i should try reprogram it bac to the factory cuz the software is not communicating with the car.. do u think it might work..?? i've had this tune for like., 4-5months already.. nothing happened before.. suggestions.??
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Old Mar 11, 2011 | 01:02 AM
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Matt from PowerChip said that the tune was invisible and if your ECU is fry how they find out you had a tune?
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Old Mar 11, 2011 | 02:08 AM
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i hav no idea., bro..
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Old Mar 11, 2011 | 08:44 AM
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The ECU tune is flashed onto an EPROM - how can it be invisible???

Ask Powerchip to restore your ECU to good health. ECU failures are not common. An ECU tune should not have any effect on ECU durability at all.

There are also module repairers that can fix an ECU at a fraction of MB's new cost.
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Old Mar 11, 2011 | 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Glyn M Ruck
The ECU tune is flashed onto an EPROM - how can it be invisible???
PowerChip said that only engineers on Germany will be able to tell the difference because only the parameters were chance, if the ECU is fry and there is no communication I understand by that no one will be able to get any info from the ECU.
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Old Mar 11, 2011 | 10:17 AM
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Warranty?

Get off the internet and get the car to the dealer.
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Old Mar 11, 2011 | 10:32 AM
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Warranty?

Get off the internet and get the car to the dealer.
If you actually read what the OP has said, he has brought it to the dealer and is being denied warranty because he had a ECU tune done. If you have nothing useful to add to the thread, then don't post.
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Old Mar 11, 2011 | 10:45 AM
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Well, then he has no alternative, but to get it diagnosed and repaired OFF WARRANTY and pay for it.

How's that? Warranty denied, take it in and bite the bullet. Few independents will be able to handle a car so new, so now he has to live with the expense. Take the risk during the warranty period, pay for the repairs if or when denied.
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Old Mar 11, 2011 | 01:04 PM
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Well, then he has no alternative, but to get it diagnosed and repaired OFF WARRANTY and pay for it.

How's that? Warranty denied, take it in and bite the bullet. Few independents will be able to handle a car so new, so now he has to live with the expense. Take the risk during the warranty period, pay for the repairs if or when denied.
look., i'm not sayin' that i dun wanna pay for it or i can't pay for it... read before u post.. everyone knows wut u r sayin' here that u hav to pay for it if anything goes wrong.. so why bother posting nonsense..?? this is a thread abt if there is any other shortcut, better way from the ppl who hav had some experience on this problem...
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Old Mar 11, 2011 | 01:10 PM
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The shortcut is going to the dealer and ponying up for a replacement.
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Old Mar 11, 2011 | 01:26 PM
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The shortcut is going to the dealer and ponying up for a replacement.
Here we go again, why so much violence.
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Old Mar 11, 2011 | 01:29 PM
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The thing is Glyn is perhaps one of the, if not, the most knowledgeable member here. He chimed in to go back to the place that modded the ecu. That is the shortest shortcut one can take in order to see what's really the culprit.
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Old Mar 11, 2011 | 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by sknight
The thing is Glyn is perhaps one of the, if not, the most knowledgeable member here. He chimed in to go back to the place that modded the ecu. That is the shortest shortcut one can take in order to see what's really the culprit.
yea., so., u r pretty sure u can't help out anything on this.. u r juz repeating wut other members posted.. sigh..
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Old Mar 11, 2011 | 04:11 PM
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Happy to help.
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Old Mar 11, 2011 | 07:58 PM
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Have you thought about going to a different dealer who doesn't know you or the car? Might be worth seeing what they say or do? Any dealer should be able to provide warranty service. If a second dealer gives the same answer, then the new tune is likely actually visible to the techs.
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Old Mar 11, 2011 | 08:08 PM
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Have you thought about going to a different dealer who doesn't know you or the car? Might be worth seeing what they say or do? Any dealer should be able to provide warranty service. If a second dealer gives the same answer, then the new tune is likely actually visible to the techs.
I agree with you completely however, if the dealer(original) that he went to wanted to be smart couldn't they have indicated through their system that the warranty was voided? Just a thought.
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Old Mar 11, 2011 | 08:27 PM
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I agree with you completely however, if the dealer(original) that he went to wanted to be smart couldn't they have indicated through their system that the warranty was voided? Just a thought.
Nothing ventured...nothing gained.
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Old Mar 11, 2011 | 08:32 PM
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ya., i would if i could.. but i can't start my car., n' it's already there at that dealer... even if i can take it out.., i think the problem is already listed on their records.. thanks for the suggestion tho.. now., the ecu is on the way to powerchip n' praying that they can make it work again..
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Old Mar 11, 2011 | 08:45 PM
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why did u even mod it man? why touch that sensitive part of the car.
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