Tommy Boy

i would get a extended warranty.

Glyn M Ruck

All I'm pointing out is we have saved people a lot of money by only replacing as necessary.

Dealers are too lazy to diagnose so they replace both ESL & EIS.

victort

This and transmission problems are why I got rid of mine before my warranty expired. Don't wanna be stuck with a repair bill in the thousands

Tommy Boy

. 55k

Tommy Boy

You're not kidding. lol

reidly

Can someone tell me what the transmission issue is? I already had the ESL / EIS issue and have paid my "dues" at the dealership to have it fixed, but all of this transmission talk is scaring me. My car was paid off on 6/15/14 and I was looking forward to not having a car payment or anything to worry about for a while. It only has about 65K on it so I thought I had a few years left on this car.

codeblue5007

There are a couple of threads on the 4Matic transmission failure. As far as I can tell, it's not nearly as common as the EIS/ESL failure so far. It starts with a whine in the transfer case and you wind up needing a new transmission and transfer case for $8k.

reidly

So if I only have the rear wheel drive model (no 4Matic), I shouldn't worry?

Glyn M Ruck

Don't worry. 722.9 was fine by 2008.

auderpoppp

so annoyed. this happend to my 08 C300 two days ago.. within a hr and a half time span!! 6:30am the car turned on perfectly fine and by 8am DEAD. from what ive read even a couple years later after eis repair, it goes bad again?

mike82212

So the transmission in the C300 2014 is ok?

Glyn M Ruck

No ~ what I'm saying is that 722.9 was debugged by 2008>.

722.9 Plus from 2011 is another story.

galaxyfaraway

Purchased my used 2009 C350 less than a month ago with 33,366 miles on it. I came out to my car last week and it wouldn't start, wouldn't shift out of park, radio worked, but no moving parts worked, e.g. nav screen, windows, CD to eject discs, etc. Getting it towed was a nightmare, still waiting on part to come in to dealer. Fortunately, I purchased the extended warranty, so it is covered. Yes, it's the ESL.

My questions:
1) How long (time/miles) is the replacement ESL warranty good for?
2) How likely is this to happen again once the ESL is replaced?
3) Is it likely my passenger seat and horn will also fail? Is this noticeable at time of repair, or does it happen later?

jonnywanabe

Add another one to the list.
Our 2008 C300 has 51k miles on it and had to have the ESL replaced last week. I knew what it was from reading the threads on this forum.
$1150 and a week at the dealer and we got our car back.

victort

My 2010 c300 was a rwd and I had problems with it since new. Got rid of it last month before my warranty expires in August

bociek

I'm proud to announce that I have finally joined the ESL/EIS club.

Tried going to my godson's birthday but car wouldn't start. THANK GOD i'm in my garage and not in the middle of nowhere. I do not want any more problems than this will already give me.

I'm assuming the price point is around $1300 for repairs. hmm. Which credit card should I max out this time?

So I'll be getting in touch with my dealer Monday morning to schedule a fix. Hopefully they'll have a loaner car for me!

LILBENZ230

Make sure they only replace what is broken. How many miles are you at? Also, do you hear the ESL make a noise when you insert the key?

codeblue5007

Bummer. Is the steering wheel locked? If it's the ESL you might get lucky trying several times and shaking the steering wheel. If it does start, go right to the dealer or a good Indy shop and spare yourself the ordeal of towing it there.

LILBENZ230

Pick up lube on your way but don't shut the car off while going in Walgreens.

xzotik1

Another hot mechanical failure topic... you don't see this on the Lexus forums.

bociek

I just hit 80k last week. I don't hear a clicking noise when I insert the key. Its pretty much dead. I was able to take off the boot on the shifter, pop it in neutral and push it into the garage. Now I'm waiting for a friend that works for MB to get back to me. Hopefully I'll get some sort of deal with him. I guess I'll go and try fighting with MBUSA. That annoying problem did make me miss my godsons birthday which is a total bummer. I never have anything mess with me and my family.

royruan

Hi there,

Here comes my post the other days:

https://mbworld.org/forums/6090083-post1.html

Try this DIY fix, it worked for me.

Good luck,

royruan

IGB

Quoting from your other post:
Sorry to burst your bubble, but by virtue of the several times we have read about the symptoms of EIS/ESL failure, ^this^ description alone would certainly make that the least expected diagnosis.

Typically, when inserting the key fob, one can hear movement behind the dash/steering column as the EIS reads the signal from the key, and transmits its own signal to the ESL to unlock. When either one fails, you'll hear nothing but silence.

And one more thing....

Paying $135 for a brand new battery when yours is putting out 11.8 to 11.9*volts after 4 hours of drain without the engine running and the alternator replenishing that drain, is a big waste of $135. All your car needed was a jump and you would have experienced a much cheaper frenzy of joy...

And lastly....

I could.be wrong about all of the above, and what's below... But mu guess is that the EIS/ESL Failure is more of an electronic issue rather than a mechanical - it was just styck and I when I kicked it, it worked-...

While this brings back memories of grabbing a hammer and banging on a car's starter to get it to turn, in these cases you might be killing a few skin cells on your hand from banging but that's about the only after effect...

LILBENZ230

I understand you're angry about your recent repair bill, but come off it. All cars have the potential to have problems. My dad's IS350 water pump grenaded at 69000 miles. It was a fluke. A/C problems on the 204 seem fairly rare, but it happens.

Glyn M Ruck

Lexus has experienced plenty of trouble with the V6 Quadcam engines. As Toyota products have become more complex they have had more than their fair share of crap.

The old days of an antique basic 21R engine, 5 speed manual tranny & a cart axle at the rear with no electronics & hard wiring are gone.

Only their 3rd world vehicles that continue this practice have enviable reliability.