Is it worth will investing in a Carlsson C-Tronic tuning box?
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Is it worth will investing in a Carlsson C-Tronic tuning box?
Hey Guys! My first post on here and I'm looking for a little bit of advise. I took delivery of my 2012 (62 plate) Mercedes Benz W204 C180 CGI C Class sport plus on the 1st of September. Since then I've done 500 miles and I've decided I want to modify the car slightly but discreatly. I've been looking into the Carlsson C-Tronic tuning boxes for the C180 CGI engine and it quotes that's power is increased from 156BHP to 186BHP and torque is increased from 250Nm to 310Nm. The only question I have is, is it really worth the £1000 EXCLUDING VAT for merely 30BHP and 60Nm? And will I notice a big difference?
Yours faithfully,
Lewis from Scotland.
Yours faithfully,
Lewis from Scotland.
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I think it helps to look at the percent gain, which is 19% more hp and 24% more torque. The peak hp will be enjoyed less often than the max torque. Assuming the same boost as oem, the low end torque will be like you have a 2.2L engine, vs the 1.8L, and you will feel that extra pull.
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I think it helps to look at the percent gain, which is 19% more hp and 24% more torque. The peak hp will be enjoyed less often than the max torque. Assuming the same boost as oem, the low end torque will be like you have a 2.2L engine, vs the 1.8L, and you will feel that extra pull.
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So it would be like same oem boost profile and a 2.0L engine, rather than 1.6L, as far as low end pull.
Not sure what other ecu upgrades you had available ??
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1.6 ? Lucky me they only have the 1.8 here in The Netherlands.
Tuningboxes are all the same Carlsson , Vath , speedbuster etc.
They al give the same figures.
Search TMC motorsport, also the same and cheaper.
I have one from Diesel-Power.com
Tuningboxes are all the same Carlsson , Vath , speedbuster etc.
They al give the same figures.
Search TMC motorsport, also the same and cheaper.
I have one from Diesel-Power.com
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Now with the CGI it depends were you buy it, in The Netherlands they are all 1.8L (180/200/250CGI)
But UK and Germany seems to have a C180 CGI 1.6 with 122 hp and a C200 CGI with also an 1.6 with 156 hp.
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Not always, the M271 Kompressor engines were all 1.8L from the W204, they only made a 1.6 Kompressor at the end. But that engine was really to small.
Now with the CGI it depends were you buy it, in The Netherlands they are all 1.8L (180/200/250CGI)
But UK and Germany seems to have a C180 CGI 1.6 with 122 hp and a C200 CGI with also an 1.6 with 156 hp.
Now with the CGI it depends were you buy it, in The Netherlands they are all 1.8L (180/200/250CGI)
But UK and Germany seems to have a C180 CGI 1.6 with 122 hp and a C200 CGI with also an 1.6 with 156 hp.
Now I'm even more confused.
Here in Australia, we have the C200CGI - 1.8L. I'm not sure about the C180 or C250.
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There are more aggressive tunes, try Kleemann, for your CGI here is the link:
http://www.kleemann.dk/Performance/E...I_M271EVO.aspx
http://www.kleemann.dk/Performance/E...I_M271EVO.aspx
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There are more aggressive tunes, try Kleemann, for your CGI here is the link:
http://www.kleemann.dk/Performance/E...I_M271EVO.aspx
http://www.kleemann.dk/Performance/E...I_M271EVO.aspx
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Gasoline CGIs are C180 a 1.595L and the C200 and C250 are 1.796L, all inline 4 cyl.
The diesels are C200, C220 and ÇC250 all 2.143L with various degrees of tune, and the C350 which is a 2,987L.
So tuning is definitely an option, especially on the CDIs where huge gains can be obtained. The question is who will give the best for the investment.
The diesels are C200, C220 and ÇC250 all 2.143L with various degrees of tune, and the C350 which is a 2,987L.
So tuning is definitely an option, especially on the CDIs where huge gains can be obtained. The question is who will give the best for the investment.
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Gasoline CGIs are C180 a 1.595L and the C200 and C250 are 1.796L, all inline 4 cyl.
The diesels are C200, C220 and ÇC250 all 2.143L with various degrees of tune, and the C350 which is a 2,987L.
So tuning is definitely an option, especially on the CDIs where huge gains can be obtained. The question is who will give the best for the investment.
The diesels are C200, C220 and ÇC250 all 2.143L with various degrees of tune, and the C350 which is a 2,987L.
So tuning is definitely an option, especially on the CDIs where huge gains can be obtained. The question is who will give the best for the investment.
I have a 180CGI with 1.8L , the 1.6L isnt available here.
So it depends on w you live.
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I stand corrected, the C180 in NL is actually a 1.8L engine, while in England and much of Europe it is 1.6L.
In any case this is a thread about the value of an ECU tune, for which ANY MB engine can benefit.
In any case this is a thread about the value of an ECU tune, for which ANY MB engine can benefit.
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With an ECU tune you can get much gain with turbo engines.
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Originally Posted by Bill
There are more aggressive tunes, try Kleemann, for your CGI here is the link:
http://www.kleemann.dk/Performance/E...I_M271EVO.aspx
http://www.kleemann.dk/Performance/E...I_M271EVO.aspx
So I'll compare the hp and Tq gains for Carlsonn vs Kleemann vs JuiceBox, hp & ft/lbs :
HP, Tq
40, 44 > Carlsonn
42, 37 > Kleemann
07, 40 > JuiceBox Burger
I believe the 1st two are complicated tunes that include discrete changes in the matrix table points of timing & fuel. This allows them to add advance to let the boost rise quicker with less delay. They may also do a minor SprintBooster mod for quicker throttle response. I think it's all accomplished by a box that connects to the ecu.
I talked with the JB guys, and as I suspected they do a global change to the fuel to lean it out, and do what looks like a scaler change to the boost map, with little change at the top end. Based on their bef/aft Dyno runs (and my talks with them), you can see they did not change the timing to help reduce power lag. But if you just want more low end torque, and as-is lag does not bother you, this is the best deal on more low end torque.
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Last edited by kevink2; Oct 7, 2012 at 05:59 PM.
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Not sure if you ever settled on a box, but I compared all of the output figures and settled on Carlsson. Full write up here:
https://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-w...0cgi-tune.html
https://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-w...0cgi-tune.html
