craig309

My sons car won't start I can hear the ESL moving it locks and unlocks the wheel.All the lights come on and I can shift in any gear.
Any clue what it can be? I did the battery and tried both keys 50 times notting.

Ronin_Dax

Is it turning over or just clicking when you try?

If it's not turning over then it's most likely a battery issue.

If it is then it could be any number of things

craig309

No I get all the lights everything works I can move the gear shifter but no crank. I install a new battery and nothing.

xsever

I would double check the battery's voltage. With everything off, it should be at 12 volts at least and during crank, it shouldn't dip below 10 volts. Otherwise, the next thing to check would be the fuse for the starter or the starter itself. Check the fuse box.

craig309

I pulled the ESL apart last night even though I heard the motor working and the motor was all black.The motor was not moving the gear all the way to depress the switches part is coming today will update.

Moto_Guzzi

Does anybody know where these ESL motors are manufactured-?

xsever

No clue but if I had to guess, I'd say ****stan.

MB Marko

seems weird. I'm curious on the fix, ESL was fixed on 2012's
check voltage like this or with a multi meter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vcwy...ature=youtu.be

craig309

Still nothing replace the ESL motor and still no crank no start.
Check all the fuses ,battery is 11.9 tried both keys notting.
​​​​​​​ANY SUGGESTIONS WHAT I SHOULD TRY NEXT?

MB Marko

11.9 is low mine was at 12 I was having hard crank, changed the battery it was 12.4 and it works like a charm. It sounds weird but I think it's your battery these cars suck a lot of juice.

MB Marko

What battery did you buy? OEM? Make sure it's AGM

craig309

Duralast H7 AGM any other suggestions?

MB Marko

how many miles/km do you have on the car?

you checked all fuses?

MB Marko

is it this issue?

xsever

Starter? Or get your hands on a Xentry/iCarsoft scanner to scan for codes and diagnose from there.

MB Marko

ya my first steps would of been:

1.scan with a code scanner (if no codes)
2. check all fuses
3. check voltage, put my portable booster on and see if it starts with some help then change the battery depending on what happens.


2012 the ESL was fixed, i hope you didn't pay to much for that motor

I've had hard starts but never no starts on mine. I've also had issues with fuses popping up, so its the cheapest thing to start with.

craig309

I checked all the fuses and swapped the relays with my daughters car. I don't think its recognizing the key it has a Mid city Remote Starter in the car and when I try to use that the light blinks 5 times saying it does not recognize the key. I uninstalled and returned back to factory and is still doing the same thing. Could it be the ignition switch?

MB Marko

I've been mulling a remote starter, some people have issues and need to get keys re programmed.

We are kinda just shooting in the dark, get the car scanned. If you don't have one there affordable on amazon, see if there's a code.

craig309

I have them on my two cars E63 and my daughter c300 no problems with them.

Russell Ormerod

If your dash lamps are coming on then the ESL was ok! Sure they fail eventually so a new motor is a good thing. Is your ESL working with new motor and dash lamps still coming on? You need a scan tool to check further..

Russell Ormerod

@MB Marko.

Any idea what they improved on the 2012 ESL?
I can bet they will fail eventually too!

xsever

I am yet to read about a 2012+ ESL failure. I'm sure they improved the ESL where it was failing based on all the failures and feedback they got.

Russell Ormerod

Hopefully better than They improved timing chains since the 90's
Those ESL motors are so tiny and the brushes just don't last.

When you open them the pcb is usually covered in black dust.

MB Marko

I'm not sure what they improved, but try to find an Esl failure on a 2012+ from my searching it's non existent. I'm sure they fixed what was plaguing the 08-11's.

What OP needs to do is scan for codes, we're all just pissing in the wind until this is done.

My car is a 2012 160,000Km they only thing I've changed was engine oil, filters, tranny fluid, spark plugs,break fluid and secondary air pump 1 under warranty and the other out of warranty because after digging and doing it myself I found the issue.

This car is rock solid I've put 100,000km on it it's been a beast knock on wood.

xsever

​​​​​​Knock on wood indeed. can you tell us more about the secondary air pump problem and what you found?