C-Class (W204) 2008 - 2014: C180K, C200K, C230, C280, C300, C350, C200CDI, C220CDI, C320CDI

C250 Sport - No oil change in 6 years and 50K miles.

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Rating: Thread Rating: 3 votes, 3.67 average.
 
Old 04-02-2019, 02:11 AM
  #51  
Member
Thread Starter
 
azblk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 121
Received 28 Likes on 24 Posts
2013 C250 SPORT, 2014 WRX STI SEDAN, 2017 E300 4MATIC
Originally Posted by Kelvin Bellrose
How's your head?
The head is still at the machine shop. The turn around time is a week and a half so I am at a standstill right now until I get the head back. I am optimistic however because the car was running normally and my personal inspection and checks indicated it was not warped or cracked.
Old 04-02-2019, 02:20 AM
  #52  
Senior Member
 
Kelvin Bellrose's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Edmonton Area
Posts: 295
Received 24 Likes on 23 Posts
2007 CLK550 Coupe, 2003 CL600, 2012
Considering you only popped a had gasket I think you have a good chance of getting it running again.
Are you going to put new cans and lifters in?
Old 04-02-2019, 03:28 AM
  #53  
Member
Thread Starter
 
azblk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 121
Received 28 Likes on 24 Posts
2013 C250 SPORT, 2014 WRX STI SEDAN, 2017 E300 4MATIC
Originally Posted by Kelvin Bellrose
Considering you only popped a had gasket I think you have a good chance of getting it running again.
Are you going to put new cans and lifters in?
Not planning to at this time. There is no scoring on the cams/cam housing and lifters also have no deformities. I kept track where each lifter came from and will return it to the same place.
Old 04-15-2019, 09:12 PM
  #54  
Member
Thread Starter
 
azblk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 121
Received 28 Likes on 24 Posts
2013 C250 SPORT, 2014 WRX STI SEDAN, 2017 E300 4MATIC
Got the head back from machine shop today. Sub assemblies completed. Will start rebuild on the weekend.



The following 2 users liked this post by azblk:
MBpippo (04-16-2019), S-Prihadi (04-16-2019)
Old 04-16-2019, 03:15 AM
  #55  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
S-Prihadi's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Jakarta-Indonesia
Posts: 3,931
Received 4,001 Likes on 2,339 Posts
2014 - W212 - E400 ( M276.820, 3 liter Turbo) RWD not Hybrid
Damn I like this thread
I hope the engine runs well again.
Old 04-17-2019, 05:22 AM
  #56  
Junior Member
 
Joe1959's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Posts: 58
Received 11 Likes on 10 Posts
2017 C250 W205
@MBpippo

You still have to watch out for the timing chain.

It’s just a simplex chain with a propensity to stretch and jump timing.

This alone could cause major damage to the engine.

Worst case would be a timing chain breaking apart and causing even worse damage to the engine.

For further info just google search for “m271 timing chain stretch”.

Old 04-17-2019, 05:27 AM
  #57  
Member
Thread Starter
 
azblk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 121
Received 28 Likes on 24 Posts
2013 C250 SPORT, 2014 WRX STI SEDAN, 2017 E300 4MATIC
Originally Posted by Joe1959
@MBpippo

You still have to watch out for the timing chain.

It’s just a simplex chain with a propensity to stretch and jump timing.

This alone could cause major damage to the engine.

Worst case would be a timing chain breaking apart and causing even worse damage to the engine.

For further info just google search for “m271 timing chain stretch”.
I am changing the timing chain as well. I had to break it
Old 04-17-2019, 03:36 PM
  #58  
Super Member
 
Moto_Guzzi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: SA
Posts: 583
Received 28 Likes on 28 Posts
2008 C350-Sport-AMG-Active Agility Pack + B170 2008+Mitsibishi+Mazda
Please buy a white Coat for when working on the car and look professional, just for the hell of it, I want to compare your white coat to the ones worked on my car.
Old 04-17-2019, 04:59 PM
  #59  
Super Member
 
Alfadude's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Milwaukee, WI USA
Posts: 848
Received 87 Likes on 84 Posts
2012 C300 4Matic
Originally Posted by Moto_Guzzi
Please buy a white Coat for when working on the car and look professional, just for the hell of it, I want to compare your white coat to the ones worked on my car.
Or at the very least he can use the white gloves that come with the car to change a tire,
Old 04-17-2019, 05:01 PM
  #60  
Super Member
 
edgalang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Silicon Valley, California
Posts: 929
Received 50 Likes on 47 Posts
Factory ordered 2012 MB C350 w/Dynamic Handling Package
Looking good OP! Looks like you'll be ready for the next 50k soon.
Old 04-18-2019, 12:16 PM
  #61  
Senior Member
 
dol4er's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 465
Received 16 Likes on 16 Posts
C204
It is disgusting to look at the final result of your "experiment" and yes, it is your own business how you maintain your own car, however people like you can get other, innocent people in big trouble. Imagine you had sold your car 2 months prior to the problem and then someone else would have had to do all the repairs for his "new" car.

Last edited by dol4er; 04-18-2019 at 04:38 PM.
Old 04-24-2019, 11:07 PM
  #62  
Member
Thread Starter
 
azblk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 121
Received 28 Likes on 24 Posts
2013 C250 SPORT, 2014 WRX STI SEDAN, 2017 E300 4MATIC
It has a while since I did anything on this experiment as I was waiting for some parts I ordered to get here and time was also in short supply. Anyway I now have all the parts I need and started the build this evening. This is what I have gotten done so far.



Torque specs and pattern


All parts ordered are here and reusable parts are cleaned and prepped. Ready to start the build


Head gasket and exhaust gasket placed. Zip ties are being used to temporarily align and hold in place the exhaust gasket.


Head placed and aligned.


New head bolts placed on their holes. Hand tighten until snag.



A 3 step torque is required to torque the head bolts:

1. The first step is torque to 45 N-m following the pattern on spec above.

2. Wait 10 minutes then then torque each bolt 90 degrees further following the same pattern again for step 2.

3. Wait 10 minutes then then torque each bolt 90 degrees further following the same pattern again for step 3.

* torque is set for 45.4 N-m because my torque wrench has a tolerance of +/- 1%.

Last edited by azblk; 11-07-2019 at 09:48 PM.
The following 2 users liked this post by azblk:
MBpippo (04-26-2019), S-Prihadi (04-25-2019)
Old 04-25-2019, 10:39 AM
  #63  
Super Member
 
ezshift5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: California
Posts: 511
Received 21 Likes on 20 Posts
Mercedes C250 Coupe
OP, I would be remiss were I not to indicate "You've got a lot of grit"..........................

Thanks for keeping us in the loop.

ez
Old 04-25-2019, 11:13 AM
  #64  
Super Member
 
Alfadude's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Milwaukee, WI USA
Posts: 848
Received 87 Likes on 84 Posts
2012 C300 4Matic
Incredible to me how neat, precise and organized you are with this. All the more puzzling how someone with those personality traits got the engine to the state it is in. Hope it all works out when you are done. From the pictures it looks like you are putting together a new engine from scratch.
The following users liked this post:
Moto_Guzzi (04-26-2019)
Old 04-25-2019, 11:39 AM
  #65  
Senior Member
 
Laxpower87's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 254
Likes: 0
Received 16 Likes on 14 Posts
2014 C300 4matic sport sedan
Greatest thread ever keep us in the loop
Old 04-25-2019, 12:47 PM
  #66  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
S-Prihadi's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Jakarta-Indonesia
Posts: 3,931
Received 4,001 Likes on 2,339 Posts
2014 - W212 - E400 ( M276.820, 3 liter Turbo) RWD not Hybrid
Indeed, this is a thread worth following up. AZBLK keep up the good work
Old 04-25-2019, 04:31 PM
  #67  
Member
Thread Starter
 
azblk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 121
Received 28 Likes on 24 Posts
2013 C250 SPORT, 2014 WRX STI SEDAN, 2017 E300 4MATIC
Finishing the head and exhaust manifold installation.



Second and third step head bolt torque involves turning the bolts 90 degrees following the torque pattern above. Wait 10 minutes between both torques.



Next attach the exhaust manifold by screwing lightly a few of the head bolts or studs.



Cut/remove the zip ties used earlier to align/hold in place the gasket.



install all 8 bolts/studs and torque to spec. MAKE SURE you coat the bolts with anti-seize before installing them !!!.



Head and exhaust manifold installed and torqued to spec.


Next I will install the cam housing. There is an RTV gasket between the head and the cam housing. I used Loctite 5900 which MB also uses.


Before applying the RTV thoroughly clean the sealing surfaces. I used a razor blade to scrape the surfaces and used a lint-free cloth soaked in acetone to wipe away any oil and dust. When surface was clean and dry, I traced the RTV path with a sharpie and then applied the RTV silicone.

I did not take any picture of the applied RTV as it starts to cure quickly. Anyway after aligning and installing CAM housing. I clamped the front and the back to apply pressure and I will leave the clamps(vice grips) on overnight.

Last edited by azblk; 06-20-2019 at 06:29 PM.
The following users liked this post:
MBpippo (04-26-2019)
Old 04-26-2019, 05:37 AM
  #68  
MBWorld Fanatic!

 
MBpippo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 2,833
Received 683 Likes on 656 Posts
2013 C204 C250 Coupe
Wow, this is really coming along now. Thanks for the pics & commentry
Old 04-26-2019, 09:39 AM
  #69  
Super Member
 
Moto_Guzzi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: SA
Posts: 583
Received 28 Likes on 28 Posts
2008 C350-Sport-AMG-Active Agility Pack + B170 2008+Mitsibishi+Mazda
So synthetic oil really turns nasty. I wonders if you store a modern engine with synthetic versus mineral oil for 10 years what both would look like-?
Old 04-26-2019, 11:45 AM
  #70  
Senior Member
 
white46's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Vancouver, BC
Posts: 373
Received 32 Likes on 22 Posts
08 C300
The biggest question here that no one asked yet is... Are you going to do oil change now on?
Old 04-26-2019, 12:41 PM
  #71  
Member
Thread Starter
 
azblk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 121
Received 28 Likes on 24 Posts
2013 C250 SPORT, 2014 WRX STI SEDAN, 2017 E300 4MATIC
Originally Posted by white46
The biggest question here that no one asked yet is... Are you going to do oil change now on?
Who has time for that? I dont have to worry about it for another 50K miles.
The following 2 users liked this post by azblk:
Adi-Benz (04-26-2019), white46 (04-26-2019)
Old 04-26-2019, 01:00 PM
  #72  
Senior Member
 
white46's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Vancouver, BC
Posts: 373
Received 32 Likes on 22 Posts
08 C300
Originally Posted by azblk
Who has time for that? I dont have to worry about it for another 50K miles.
Hey. I like you.
Old 04-26-2019, 06:46 PM
  #73  
Member
Thread Starter
 
azblk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 121
Received 28 Likes on 24 Posts
2013 C250 SPORT, 2014 WRX STI SEDAN, 2017 E300 4MATIC

While waiting for the RTV to fully cure I reinstalled the timing chain guides and pins.

I also reinstalled the cam lifters and rocker arms. Since i decided right away that I was going to re use these i kept track of where each came from and I returned each to the same spot. I used sandwich bags marked E1/I1 for exhaust 1/ intake 1 and so forth.

Apply assembly lube to the cam cradles. Be generous since it will dissolve in the engine oil and the engine will start dry before oil makes its way up.

Both cams installed. Make sure the correct cam goes to the correct side. Not sure if you can swap them anyway.

Lube the cam cradles on cam housing covers with assmbly lube and then reinstall

reinstall the cover bolts and torque to spec. The torque spec and pattern attached below.

Torque spec for cam housing


Next I will set the timing and reconnect the timing chain. When that is completed it will be down hill from there.

Last edited by azblk; 06-19-2019 at 11:45 PM.
The following users liked this post:
MBpippo (04-29-2019)
Old 04-28-2019, 09:55 AM
  #74  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
MB Marko's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: London ON Canada
Posts: 1,739
Received 118 Likes on 109 Posts
2012 C300 4Matic Sport Sedan
it takes 15 minutes to do an oil change and it only costs 50$ a change, this repair has to be in the thousand dollar range and taking you more than 15 minutes. even through 50,000miles you'd end up with less time/ money spent just changing the oil.


I hope you don't sell this car to some poor kid down the road.....
Old 05-02-2019, 10:41 AM
  #75  
Super Member
 
ezshift5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: California
Posts: 511
Received 21 Likes on 20 Posts
Mercedes C250 Coupe
Hang in there AZ. Your picture's on the piano.

best,




ez
The following users liked this post:
azblk (05-02-2019)


You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 3 votes, 3.67 average.

Quick Reply: C250 Sport - No oil change in 6 years and 50K miles.



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:40 AM.