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Congrats! I was torn by the same color choices you had originally wanted and then the factory halted builds with black ash wood right after my order, forcing me to rethink. I never would have thought I'd like the warmer/brown wood color but saw it on the Motoman YouTube review and it grew on me. Mine with wood, saddle brown leather, CF accent and black exterior hits the sweet spot of classy and sporty. (I think 
). So, I'm sure you'll dig it. BTW, I get a lot of comments on the interior.
). So, I'm sure you'll dig it. BTW, I get a lot of comments on the interior.
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Anybody know if there is a break in period on these? In the process of looking through the forum but i appreciate any help
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I believe the manual states roughly 1500 kms.
I'd say drive it like you're gonna drive it and enjoy. If you want to give 'er a bit just make sure all the temps are up to operating range.
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My dealer told me only Full AMGs require break in. All normal Mercedes motors are broken in during manufacturing.
I went ahead and did a 300 mile break in on mine. A very purposeful driven 300 miles, not just freeway cruising.
I went ahead and did a 300 mile break in on mine. A very purposeful driven 300 miles, not just freeway cruising.
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This is the second winter I'm driving my C450. I bought a second set of wheels, 18inch, and Michelin X ice winter tires. The thing handle like a beast, snow and icy roads does not bother me one bit, and I live in Saskatoon Canada, where minus 15 is a nice day. 4Matic is phenomenal, but a good set of winter tires is crucial, because, as we know, AWD gets you going, but stoping is all about the tires
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This is the second winter I'm driving my C450. I bought a second set of wheels, 18inch, and Michelin X ice winter tires. The thing handle like a beast, snow and icy roads does not bother me one bit, and I live in Saskatoon Canada, where minus 15 is a nice day. 4Matic is phenomenal, but a good set of winter tires is crucial, because, as we know, AWD gets you going, but stoping is all about the tires
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is it Wednesday already? Hahaha! So excited for you! 'Hope the interior grows on both you and your wife. If not you can always have it wrapped or even replaced with the black ash you've always wanted, and still have spent less than what those added options would cost. Good luck and congratulations, again!
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Basically, what this guy said:
This is the second winter I'm driving my C450. I bought a second set of wheels, 18inch, and Michelin X ice winter tires. The thing handle like a beast, snow and icy roads does not bother me one bit, and I live in Saskatoon Canada, where minus 15 is a nice day. 4Matic is phenomenal, but a good set of winter tires is crucial, because, as we know, AWD gets you going, but stoping is all about the tires
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Thanks, this is helpful. I intentionally did not get the 19" wheels because they're super impractical here in the Northeast (winters aren't as bad as yours, but we have a lot of rain all year too). Do you think the standard 18" wheels and all-season tires will be sufficient? I don't plan to drive in deep snow, but 1-3 inches and/or icy roads will be common in the coming months.
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Thanks, this is helpful. I intentionally did not get the 19" wheels because they're super impractical here in the Northeast (winters aren't as bad as yours, but we have a lot of rain all year too). Do you think the standard 18" wheels and all-season tires will be sufficient? I don't plan to drive in deep snow, but 1-3 inches and/or icy roads will be common in the coming months.
You should be fine with all-seasons, yes. But the way I look at it, you're going to be putting ~36,000 miles on the car right? You could get a decent set of all seasons that last you that long, then put the run-flats back on for turn in.
OR
Spend a little more and have some dedicated snow and performance tires that you switch over. You'll have peace of mind that they will last you the entirety of the lease even with hard driving, and you'll be able to truly push and trust your car in the conditions specific for each set of tires.
Just my $0.02
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I too intentionally got the 18's so it would be cheaper and make more sense for them to be used as winter tires. Then I'll be getting dedicated summer wheels/tires in the spring.
You should be fine with all-seasons, yes. But the way I look at it, you're going to be putting ~36,000 miles on the car right? You could get a decent set of all seasons that last you that long, then put the run-flats back on for turn in.
OR
Spend a little more and have some dedicated snow and performance tires that you switch over. You'll have peace of mind that they will last you the entirety of the lease even with hard driving, and you'll be able to truly push and trust your car in the conditions specific for each set of tires.
Just my $0.02
You should be fine with all-seasons, yes. But the way I look at it, you're going to be putting ~36,000 miles on the car right? You could get a decent set of all seasons that last you that long, then put the run-flats back on for turn in.
OR
Spend a little more and have some dedicated snow and performance tires that you switch over. You'll have peace of mind that they will last you the entirety of the lease even with hard driving, and you'll be able to truly push and trust your car in the conditions specific for each set of tires.
Just my $0.02
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Thanks...I haven't decided what to do with the tires yet, but this is all very helpful. I don't plan to drive it a ton in the snow. And I have a low-mileage lease (7.5k/yr). So 2 new sets of tires isn't happening. If it doesn't feel right in the winter I may get winter tires, but I'm hoping to just use the stock tires throughout the lease. Anyone know how MB treats worn treads at the end of a lease? Seems like something that should be included because it's unavoidable if you drive the car...
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Oh and also, I mis-read your post about the all seasons. I thought you were buying them. I completely overlooked that you were talking about the run flats that came stock.
I would shelf those tires ASAP. I've heard nothing but horror stories of them only lasting ~10,000 miles before needing replaced. And they are NOT cheap tires.
Shelf them and save yourself some money in the long run by getting 2 good sets of tires. You have to turn the car in with run flats that are in good shape. So if you're going to spend the money on tires anyway, might as well be great tires.
I would shelf those tires ASAP. I've heard nothing but horror stories of them only lasting ~10,000 miles before needing replaced. And they are NOT cheap tires.
Shelf them and save yourself some money in the long run by getting 2 good sets of tires. You have to turn the car in with run flats that are in good shape. So if you're going to spend the money on tires anyway, might as well be great tires.
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Thanks...I haven't decided what to do with the tires yet, but this is all very helpful. I don't plan to drive it a ton in the snow. And I have a low-mileage lease (7.5k/yr). So 2 new sets of tires isn't happening. If it doesn't feel right in the winter I may get winter tires, but I'm hoping to just use the stock tires throughout the lease. Anyone know how MB treats worn treads at the end of a lease? Seems like something that should be included because it's unavoidable if you drive the car...
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In light of all of this, can anyone recommend a solid set of 18" all-season tires that will work well in low temps / light snow? Would a set of AS/3+ be a good choice?
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I just swapped out the stock Contis for Pilot AS 3+. So far the AS3+ have performed well in rain, slush, and light ice and snow. They are not winter tires though. They will work in areas that get occasional winter snow if you drive carefully. They are Y speed rated but I have not been able to test them on the twisties just yet.
The Contis OTOH were horrible on snow and ice. No traction at all. They are living in the garage until next spring.
BTW, I am running on the 19'' rims.
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Keep us posted how they do in the twisties.
I want to take off the Pirelli runflats and put either AS3+ or possibly even MPSS. If the AS3+ work well in reasonable performance situations they are probably better for me as they should last quite a bit longer than an MPSS.
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Just picked it up. Re: tires, it has the Conti SSR GX on it, which should be good for all season (better than the SSR5 anyway). So I'll see how those do this winter and change if necessary. I'll post pics shortly.
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It's actually very bad to warm up your car at idle. If you do it every once in a while, no big deal. But every day for 4 months through winter, you're really screwing things up. dumping fuel into cold cats, washing the cylinder walls down, and running ineffective oil through the motor. Over time, this can be devastating to the longevity of the motor and components. Don't believe me? Ask any engineer that has the slightest clue how an ICE works.
I understand the reasoning to have your car warm up at idle for 10 minutes and have it warm and ready for you to jump it, but grow a pair man. Seriously, I expect this from my girlfriend, but that is ridiculous coming from a guy.
If you drive the car with a little load on it for just a couple blocks, you'll warm the engine up just as fast as idling for 5 minutes and 5 years from now, the engine will still hold great compression.
But I'm guessing people like you don't really care about "5 years down the line" since you're lease will be up and you'll be on to screwing up your next lease...
I understand the reasoning to have your car warm up at idle for 10 minutes and have it warm and ready for you to jump it, but grow a pair man. Seriously, I expect this from my girlfriend, but that is ridiculous coming from a guy.
If you drive the car with a little load on it for just a couple blocks, you'll warm the engine up just as fast as idling for 5 minutes and 5 years from now, the engine will still hold great compression.
But I'm guessing people like you don't really care about "5 years down the line" since you're lease will be up and you'll be on to screwing up your next lease...
The M 276 engine has a very very precise fuel injection system. When fuel is injected into the cylinders to be burned, it is already atomized into a fine mist that burns completely and very efficiently. There are many sensors that monitor the combustion process to ensure complete fuel burn and will adjust many parameters of the quantity of fuel injected as needed. This process happens many times per second. The spark plugs are also pulsed multiple times a second and are adjusted as frequently as needed. No excess fuel will ever be ".....sent into a cold catalytic converter", or "....washed down the cylinder walls", or "....mixed into the crankcase oil." ever...period.
Allowing your vehicle to warm up for an hour a day, every day, for it's life will have absolutely no detriment to any of these systems...period.
Passing off this type of information as being accurate for Mercedes' engines in this decade is scary... please refrain from doing this without a working knowledge of the systems.
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What decade was this information intended for? (it had to start with 19xx)...
The M 276 engine has a very very precise fuel injection system. When fuel is injected into the cylinders to be burned, it is already atomized into a fine mist that burns completely and very efficiently. There are many sensors that monitor the combustion process to ensure complete fuel burn and will adjust many parameters of the quantity of fuel injected as needed. This process happens many times per second. The spark plugs are also pulsed multiple times a second and are adjusted as frequently as needed. No excess fuel will ever be ".....sent into a cold catalytic converter", or "....washed down the cylinder walls", or "....mixed into the crankcase oil." ever...period.
Allowing your vehicle to warm up for an hour a day, every day, for it's life will have absolutely no detriment to any of these systems...period.
Passing off this type of information as being accurate for Mercedes' engines in this decade is scary... please refrain from doing this without a working knowledge of the systems.
The M 276 engine has a very very precise fuel injection system. When fuel is injected into the cylinders to be burned, it is already atomized into a fine mist that burns completely and very efficiently. There are many sensors that monitor the combustion process to ensure complete fuel burn and will adjust many parameters of the quantity of fuel injected as needed. This process happens many times per second. The spark plugs are also pulsed multiple times a second and are adjusted as frequently as needed. No excess fuel will ever be ".....sent into a cold catalytic converter", or "....washed down the cylinder walls", or "....mixed into the crankcase oil." ever...period.
Allowing your vehicle to warm up for an hour a day, every day, for it's life will have absolutely no detriment to any of these systems...period.
Passing off this type of information as being accurate for Mercedes' engines in this decade is scary... please refrain from doing this without a working knowledge of the systems.
Dude, my information is correct. These types of problems may not be as prevalent as they were 10-20 years ago, but they are still prevalent. MB didn't some how magically start defying physics just because they are a premium luxury brand that you jerk off too nightly.
Furthermore, you're last line is just hilarious to me. I do understand the ICE thoroughly in and out. If I was in fact wrong and what I was saying was misinformation, it would certainly not be "Scary" and something you should take so personal. You really need to not fly off the handle so easily.
Further furthermore, I will advise you to watch the video I posted. Having never met you, I know for a fact that the person in the video is at least twice and smart as you. Which wouldn't say a whole lot in of itself, but he agrees with my points, so he's obviously at or close to a genius level.
