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Old 09-29-2015, 12:19 AM
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The exhaust note sounds great, although it could be throatier/deeper...however, the crackling and popping sounds amazing...brings back memories of that one weekend when I rented a F430 and whipped it around manhattan for 3 days....but like 1/10 as loud...

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Originally Posted by tmoneyC450amg
The exhaust note sounds great, although it could be throatier/deeper...however, the crackling and popping sounds amazing...brings back memories of that one weekend when I rented a F430 and whipped it around manhattan for 3 days....but like 1/10 as loud...
Can't tell in the pics, are the stitches on the dash and steering matches the seats in red? Or are they white?
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The exhaust note sounds great, although it could be throatier/deeper...however, the crackling and popping sounds amazing.
Congrats on finally getting your 450! Thanks for sharing pics too, looks great.
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Can't tell in the pics, are the stitches on the dash and steering matches the seats in red? Or are they white?
The stitching is white on black dash and center console. But the red leather seats and steering wheel both have black stitching.

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Originally Posted by tmoneyC450amg
Hi guys!

Just picked up my C450 today. Polar White Cranberry red int. pano roof, rearview cam, 18in amg 5spoke, lighting package, lindenwood trim
That looks awesome! Congratulations! ...the wait is finally over

Pics look great, thanks for sharing those!
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At this point can we definitively confirm LED lights are standard even without the lighting package?

Also, do any of the early orders have ventilated seats?

Lastly, our order has Designo saddle interior without P2 package, yet mbusa configurator states it is required. Is it most likely to arrive with or without P2?
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I got a quote from a dealer here in Ohio for a C450 that I think is pretty damn competitive, LMK what you all think.

MSRP is $63,305 + $925 delivery, I'm offered $59,018, that's a $5k savings or 8% off retail.

Using a MF of 0.0019 and 36mo/12k (58% residual) I get a lease payment in my tax rate of around $849/mo.

Seems like a no-brainer. I had originally wanted a CLA45 but MB USA is royally screwing around with pricing and availability and my current lease ends shortly.

I'm thinking I'm going to take this!
Sounds like a great discount. I don't know about that money factor, though. I thought standard money factor was higher, like .0022 (told anything from .0020 - .0023. Did you do multiple security deposits or something else to lower the rate? Is the standard money factor below .0020?
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Originally Posted by tmoneyC450amg
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Just picked up my C450 today. Polar White Cranberry red int. pano roof, rearview cam, 18in amg 5spoke, lighting package, lindenwood trim


























Congrats!! Excellent pix.

The misses and the pup are going enjoy that ride
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tmoney, congrats man. Great ride, very cool/unique combo on the interior - looks great!
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The wraps are some serious buck. Too rich for my blood. The dealer will take care of my small scratches and dings and I have a killer body shop for the big stuff. Hopefully, I will not need any of the big stuff with the C450.

The add-ons after the sale are worst then buying a new iPhone.
* $1,300 prepaid 4 years maintenance
* $2,200 tire and wheel protection plus 5 years
* $2,500 7 yr/75K miles extended warranty
* $ 500 for 3 years for basic mbrace

And I still need a winter tire package ~$1,800 ... Dang I am broke but will have piece of mind.
Did you check with Marc Rose (from Santa Monica) on the extended warranty? I think the $100 over dealer cost will be hard to beat.
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TMoney, Congrats to you and yours on the new ride. It looks amazing. I'm curious about the quality of the ride in Comfort mode. Is it noticeably more firm than your other rides?
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Originally Posted by iwork4wine
Congrats!! Excellent pix.

The misses and the pup are going enjoy that ride
Haha, yup the misses is very happy with the car, she took it out for a spin and took the inner city route to South St to grab a slice of Lorenzo's for dinner and she was very pleased with the S+ performance.

The pup, however, is not allowed in the C450 yet...at least maybe for the first year lol...
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TMoney, Congrats to you and yours on the new ride. It looks amazing. I'm curious about the quality of the ride in Comfort mode. Is it noticeably more firm than your other rides?
Thanks papa john, I like the ride quality of comfort it is very firm not like a boat at all. But it is noticeably firmer in S+ though. It's definitely firmer than any Lexus I've owned (00 ES, 05 GG) and the sports plus is much firmer than even my last sporty car (12 GSxS coupe). Plus the exhaust note is just amazing...could be deeper/throatier, but overall, very very happy with my purchase.

I ended up getting a rate of 3.7% APR on either 48mo or 60mo, i opted for 48mo with no early payoff penalty with $8K down.
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Originally Posted by Bibenstein
I got a quote from a dealer here in Ohio for a C450 that I think is pretty damn competitive, LMK what you all think.

* Palladium Silver Metallic ($720)
* Rearview Camera ($420)
* Interior Package ($2,150)
* Lighting Package ($800)
* Multimedia Package ($2,230)
* Hands-free Access ($250)
* Panorama Sunroof ($1,480)
* H/U Display ($990)
* 19" AMG Wheels ($80)
* Natural Grain Black Ash Wood ($325)
* Driver Assist ($2,250)

MSRP is $63,305 + $925 delivery, I'm offered $59,018, that's a $5k savings or 8% off retail.

Using a MF of 0.0019 and 36mo/12k (58% residual) I get a lease payment in my tax rate of around $849/mo.

Seems like a no-brainer. I had originally wanted a CLA45 but MB USA is royally screwing around with pricing and availability and my current lease ends shortly.

I'm thinking I'm going to take this!
I got quotes from the dealer.

For a 36-mo/12k lease with $0 down they want $962/mo. This includes maintenance, which I believe is $975 from the MB website. I am getting a figure of $902 from online lease calculators, not sure where the extra $60/mo is coming from.

For a loan we're looking at $1,137/mo for 60 months, 2.99% interest rate.

I am not a noob to leasing by any stretch, this would be my 6th leased car, so why is my lease number so much higher than theirs?

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Originally Posted by Bibenstein
I got quotes from the dealer.

For a 36-mo/12k lease with $0 down they want $962/mo. This includes maintenance, which I believe is $975 from the MB website. I am getting a figure of $902 from online lease calculators, not sure where the extra $60/mo is coming from.

For a loan we're looking at $1,137/mo for 60 months, 2.99% interest rate.

I am not a noob to leasing by any stretch, this would be my 6th leased car, so why is my lease number so much higher than theirs?

Edit: Added PDF of my lease calc.
I got the lease down to $918/mo with $0 down. Maintenance wasn't included.
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Leasing is so pricey. I'm paying $1116/mo for 48mo, no maintenance, for my loan @ 3.74% interest rate after $8k down. my purchase price before taxes and fees for the vehicle is $54,003. had received a 5% discount off MSRP.
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Originally Posted by tmoneyC450amg
Leasing is so pricey. I'm paying $1116/mo for 48mo, no maintenance, for my loan @ 3.74% interest rate after $8k down. my purchase price before taxes and fees for the vehicle is $54,003. had received a 5% discount off MSRP.
I got a lease rate on a reasonably loaded MY16 Audi S5 that was a touch over $800. I like the S5 a lot too.

The C450 is spankier, newer, shinier, lots of fun interior options, the S5 is a bit dated inside but it still has it where it counts and it purrrrrs.

Now to decide...
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I think the residuals on the C450 is making its leasing option very unattractive..
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Originally Posted by tmoneyC450amg
I think the residuals on the C450 is making its leasing option very unattractive..
True. The Audi S5 has a 36-mo/12k residual of around 61% I believe vs 58% for the MB. I also think Audi will add a point to the residual if you get AudiCare with the lease.

However, if MB is truly lowballing the values then in theory some other dealer will buy the car at lease end because there's equity in the vehicle.

I've done this exactly once with a Toyota Sienna we leased. We had a 3-yr/36k lease and we only ended up putting about 25k miles on the odo, I got $2k in tradein equity towards a new lease.

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I think the residuals on the C450 is making its leasing option very unattractive..
Actually the residual on the C450 for 36 months is not bad...59%. But, the problem is the money factor is .00230, which works out to about 5.5%. By contrast, the E350 money factor is practically 0.
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Actually the residual on the C450 for 36 months is not bad...59%. But, the problem is the money factor is .00230, which works out to about 5.5%. By contrast, the E350 money factor is practically 0.
I got a MF of 0.0022, not much better. I can't honestly think what MB's strategy is - both BMW and Audi offer much more competitive residuals and money factors and thus lower lease payments. I mean, I'm looking at similarly priced S5 and C450 and the Audi is $100/mo or more cheaper.
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I got a MF of 0.0022, not much better. I can't honestly think what MB's strategy is - both BMW and Audi offer much more competitive residuals and money factors and thus lower lease payments. I mean, I'm looking at similarly priced S5 and C450 and the Audi is $100/mo or more cheaper.
I know...thought about the S4, but I do not think it looks nearly as nice as the C450. I think the rate will go down once the initial demand goes down and MB needs to be more competitive. 80%+ of MB cars are leased, so the money factor is a definite issue.
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The stitching is white on black dash and center console. But the red leather seats and steering wheel both have black stitching.
Man, that's going to be a tough one to swallow for my OCD.

I love me some Nappa leather but seems like only the base sport seat has unified red stitching throughout.
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Originally Posted by Dr Chill
At this point can we definitively confirm LED lights are standard even without the lighting package?
Good question... This 450 definitely doesn't have the lighting package: http://www.mercedesbenzsilverspring....wf6eb5gu102572







These pictures are hard to tell, but the rear light is leading me to believe that these are not LED... you make the call.

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Originally Posted by Dr Chill
Also, do any of the early orders have ventilated seats?
I have seen vented seats listed on the specs from a couple dealer's inventories, but I can't say that I have seen or heard of anyone taking delivery of a 450 with vented seats. The build in front of mine (an August build) started with vented seats and ended without them.

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Lastly, our order has Designo saddle interior without P2 package, yet mbusa configurator states it is required. Is it most likely to arrive with or without P2?
If this 450 in Maryland is any indication, it looks like you can get the designo without getting P2: http://www.mercedesbenzofowingsmills...wf6eb3gu103123
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My build had started with ventilated seats and ended without them. very frustrating, I was looking forward to the cool air in those hot muggy places.

Also, MB started charging for the interior trims. Although the interior package went from 2480 to 2150, they charged me for my Linden Wood trim for $325...ended up saving $4 after all said and done. sneaky sneaky MB..


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