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Old Aug 9, 2016 | 12:46 AM
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had a messed up c400 now a messed up c450

help what do you guys think i should do, i bought a 2015 c400 around 14 months ago it was nothing but issues had a misfire issue that kept happening on start ups and on the highways and would go into a limp mode often had it about 6 months and mercedes bought back the car and put me in a c450 but i had to pay around 10k for the wear and miles on my c400 (should have fought harder with mb about that) anyways now my c450 has been nothing but issues since i got it its been about 7 months now ive had intercooler piping pop off a couple times ive had a maf sensor go out and had to be replaced its gone into limp mode a few times its also gone into a weird vibration phase a couple times (the same thing the c400 would do right before it would misfire) and now its been at the dealer almost 3 weeks (tomorrow will hit the 30 day mark of total shop days) for its current issue a very harsh shift between 3-4th gear in any mode at any speed the dealer said they ordered new parts for the trans but that didnt help now theyve ordered an entire new trans and they are going to see if that helps also they claim theyve started the buy back process needless to say ive been in c300 loaners for more than my c400 and c450
how would you guys proceed with this? i want to try to get full msrp back plus the extra 10k i payed on top to get the c450 with that i should be able to get a new c63 and argue that i want a car with a different motor since both cars have had the same motors and have been nothing but issues
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Old Aug 9, 2016 | 12:57 AM
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Wow with the luck you have been having I am amazed you are even considering getting another Mercedes period. If it was me I'd be livid.
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Old Aug 9, 2016 | 01:04 AM
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Wow with the luck you have been having I am amazed you are even considering getting another Mercedes period. If it was me I'd be livid.
yeah theres really no other car i like in this price point but if mercedes buys back and gives me a good deal i would be happy with a c63
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Old Aug 9, 2016 | 04:01 AM
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I agree with Jadis, I would had left Mercedes if I got another lemon the 2nd go around, not upgrade again.
Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, well you know the saying...
I dont think you need to try to include past bad deals in current deals. Just from your description of you having to pay $10K to get out your old car sounds like you got the short end of the stick, but then again I dont know the details nor am i a lawyer. Your never going to get that 10K back, you should mark that as a lesson learned for future events. Now, I dont know if the dealership finessed you into paying the 10k to get into a 450, but I can suggest they will do the same to get you into a c63. Just be sure to read everything you sign.
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Old Aug 9, 2016 | 09:12 AM
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Stir up a storm in the managers office. Not the sales reps or mechanics, speak with the manager and tell him this is unacceptable!! Stand firm and make a big stink. you're not in the wrong here and you demand satisfaction.
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Old Aug 9, 2016 | 09:54 AM
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Hard to help you with strategy without knowing the specifics.

I'm guessing part of the $10,000 hit was the mileage offset on the 400, which they're entitled to take. How many miles had you put on the 400 before the buy back?

The rest was a combination of the difference iMSRP when you stepped up to the more expensive C450, and any negative equity you were already carrying on the 400, right?

What was the difference in MSRP between the C400 and the C450? When you bought the C400, did you have to transfer any negative equity from your trade in to the C400's loan?
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Old Aug 9, 2016 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike5215
Hard to help you with strategy without knowing the specifics.

I'm guessing part of the $10,000 hit was the mileage offset on the 400, which they're entitled to take. How many miles had you put on the 400 before the buy back?

The rest was a combination of the difference iMSRP when you stepped up to the more expensive C450, and any negative equity you were already carrying on the 400, right?

What was the difference in MSRP between the C400 and the C450? When you bought the C400, did you have to transfer any negative equity from your trade in to the C400's loan?
Yea it was because of milage c400 had 12k miles on it and c450 has 14k miles now and msrp was like 1k more on the c450 or something like that because they were both fully loaded
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Old Aug 9, 2016 | 01:44 PM
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Right but there has to be a cost to you having to deal with breaking down constantly. There has to be an anxiety associated now with driving your cars and feeling like you cant trust them.

Very frustrating. I hope if all works out for you.
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Old Aug 9, 2016 | 01:56 PM
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Yea it was because of milage c400 had 12k miles on it and c450 has 14k miles now and msrp was like 1k more on the c450 or something like that because they were both fully loaded
The MSRP difference between an equally equipped C400 and C450 was only a grand? How did that $10k break down? (mileage/msrp difference/neg equity)

I get $3k in miles at .25 cents a mile. $1k in MSRP spread is $4k total. Where did the other $6k come from?
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Old Aug 9, 2016 | 04:25 PM
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Mercedes Benz USA occasionally follows these forums. If you complain loudly enough and have a way that they can easily figure out your contact information they will sometimes go above and beyond to take care of you. They want to send a message to the rest of the readers on this forum that Mercedes cares about its customers.
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Old Aug 9, 2016 | 04:46 PM
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I've been on the forum for eight years and I've literally never heard of that happening. Not saying it hasn't, but that would really be something if it had. His best recourse is to pursue a voluntary buy back and if that fails, a lemon law action.
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Old Aug 10, 2016 | 07:41 PM
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how different was that "buyback" than a straight up trade in?
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Old Aug 11, 2016 | 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by jumpman726
Mercedes Benz USA occasionally follows these forums. If you complain loudly enough and have a way that they can easily figure out your contact information they will sometimes go above and beyond to take care of you. They want to send a message to the rest of the readers on this forum that Mercedes cares about its customers.
Where did this information come from?
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Old Aug 12, 2016 | 09:28 AM
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I could be wrong but it feels like OP is trolling...
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Old Aug 12, 2016 | 11:01 AM
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my car has wind noise that the dealer wont fix. they offered to put me in a C63, but I would have to pay $40,000 for wear and tear on my C300. i think it's a good deal
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Old Aug 12, 2016 | 11:23 AM
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my car has wind noise that the dealer wont fix. they offered to put me in a C63, but I would have to pay $40,000 for wear and tear on my C300. i think it's a good deal
You're losing money if you don't take that deal!
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Old Aug 12, 2016 | 12:10 PM
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my car has wind noise that the dealer wont fix. they offered to put me in a C63, but I would have to pay $40,000 for wear and tear on my C300. i think it's a good deal
a nice set of Bose noise cancelling headphones would be a lot cheaper!
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Old Aug 12, 2016 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by sliqdaddy91
I could be wrong but it feels like OP is trolling...
22,000 miles across two different vehicles, all within the last 12 months? I think I am with you on this. Not to mention the out of pocket numbers don't add up.

I am new to the brand and do not have a historical perspective on the quality of Mercedes as a brand, but two lemons from the same dealer to the same customer in under a year?

I thought I was the only one who thought this seamed off.
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22,000 miles across two different vehicles, all within the last 12 months? I think I am with you on this. Not to mention the out of pocket numbers don't add up.

I am new to the brand and do not have a historical perspective on the quality of Mercedes as a brand, but two lemons from the same dealer to the same customer in under a year?

I thought I was the only one who thought this seamed off.
not trolling at all just wanted to see if anyone on here had advice or help guess not, this is why i never bothered to mention anything about the cars
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Old Aug 13, 2016 | 12:27 AM
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not trolling at all just wanted to see if anyone on here had advice or help guess not, this is why i never bothered to mention anything about the cars
They are all like this here. Old man, that have nothing else to do rather than drop **** bombs on everybody and call us "trolls" if there is something wrong with our Mercedes cars. Just do your best with the delearship and don't get fooled by them. I can't wait when Mercedes buys my car back. Counting issues.
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Old Aug 13, 2016 | 01:48 AM
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They are all like this here. Old man, that have nothing else to do rather than drop **** bombs on everybody and call us "trolls" if there is something wrong with our Mercedes cars. Just do your best with the delearship and don't get fooled by them. I can't wait when Mercedes buys my car back. Counting issues.
exactly, i dont have time to sit here and make up stories i have a life, so your doing a buy back too? also do you know if its true if the car has had 30 shop days in a year it becomes a lemon? ive heard this from a couple people
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Old Aug 13, 2016 | 01:56 AM
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Are car repurchases that common with Mercedes?
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Old Aug 15, 2016 | 10:54 AM
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not trolling at all just wanted to see if anyone on here had advice or help guess not, this is why i never bothered to mention anything about the cars
Originally Posted by NYCSoiL
They are all like this here. Old man, that have nothing else to do rather than drop **** bombs on everybody and call us "trolls" if there is something wrong with our Mercedes cars.
Guys c'mon, you really cannot see how someone might be suspicious of two catastrophic failures of brand new Mercedes, for the same customer, from the same dealership, in under a year? Buy backs from car manufacturers are also not exactly an every day occurrence, in the grand scheme of things, and you are talking about two. Then another member was trying to help and asked about the additional 6k (based on what you said) and 3 days went by and you never responded.

If you are not trolling, fine. But you cannot deny that the whole thing sounds very unusual.

And NYCSoil, Not sure how you got "old man" out of someone voicing suspicion of this scenario either. LOL!
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Old Aug 15, 2016 | 10:56 AM
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also do you know if its true if the car has had 30 shop days in a year it becomes a lemon? ive heard this from a couple people
I am pretty sure this depends on the state you are in, but I recall hearing this.
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Guys c'mon, you really cannot see how someone might be suspicious of two catastrophic failures of brand new Mercedes, for the same customer, from the same dealership, in under a year? Buy backs from car manufacturers are also not exactly an every day occurrence, in the grand scheme of things, and you are talking about two. Then another member was trying to help and asked about the additional 6k (based on what you said) and 3 days went by and you never responded.

If you are not trolling, fine. But you cannot deny that the whole thing sounds very unusual.

And NYCSoil, Not sure how you got "old man" out of someone voicing suspicion of this scenario either. LOL!
it is very unusual my parents alone have spend about 400k in cars from that dealer they have never had an issue

i also never responded because im not fully aware of the numbers as the car was a gift

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