avandss

Hey guys, so im new in the Mercedes world! i had a 2010 S4, but quickly got tired of it and decided it was time to buy a REAL car..... after doing much research and a few test drives i fell in love with the cls63.... here is the problem, here in Canada they are not exactly always in stock....

found a dealer that had what i wanted minus one option....performance pack!

2012 cls63
palladium silver
black interior
piano black trim
Low Km.. about 15....
14k off sticker!!!!!! because it was a 2012

and i was able to get it within 48h...

my other option was 3-6 month wait and only 4k off sticker

so i went for it and now i feel like my car is not really a cls63....

so my question is

1- is it that much slower? BUTT DYNO question
2- is it possible to get it tuned to PP package?
as much as i want to do renntech i don't want to mess with the warranty

and is my traction that much worst since i dont have the lsd?



anyways! i am still really excited to be part of this new family! and the forum here seems to be very professional and patient! compared to the audi forum where people where a little obnoxious...

BenzCLS06

How in the world do you not know if you bought a CLS63 or not? Your avatar lists CLS550 so that right there tells you that it's not a CLS63 nor do you have PP package. Two different motors completely. Not sure how you could confuse a regular CLS550 with a CLS63. If the dealer told you that you got a CLS63 when it's not, you should definitely get compensated for the lie they told you.

avandss

are you serious lol where did i state that i don't know if i bought a cls 63...

i said i feel like its not a real 63 because i don't have the PP

i initially had a deposit on a white 2013 550 (wait time was unknown until they got the 2013 details in but i was suppose to be first in queue) and then decided i wanted the cls63 absolutely...... found this cls63 with no performance pack.. hence the original avatar....

ill change my avatar...( also thats why the avatar says ON WAIT 2013 CLS550)

coolcamden

You really f'ed up. How can you be completely happy if you don't get the exact car you want at this price point?

The PP will feel 10X faster. Get out of this car at all cost, and spank yourself 20 times for being so reckless.

Post video of the spanking.

justthebest

...so much for less obnoxious than the Audi forums...


No - the PP takes .1 off your 0-60 time, and yes, a tune will actually put you over PP output. Everyone rolls the dice with a tune re: warranty, so that's a decision you'll have to make. LSDs can be installed fairly easily on most AMGs, but I'm not 100% sure it's been done on a new CLS yet (and reported on the forum). Enjoy the car.

hyperion667

...so much for less obnoxious than the Audi forums...

justthebest

LOL!! I was thinking the same thing!!

but really: don't beat yourself up about it.....you said you're new to the Marque.....and that's okay.....welcome!
It took me buying a E63.......to figure out that I wanted the CLS63......and with PP......
so I traded it in towards what I really wanted you know?
so I made that 'mistake' too......but F it!!!!
now I have the car I like and it's fun/fast as hell.......
I don't feel good about aftermarket tuning despite the gains one can aquire.....but that's just me....

get what will make you happy: sounds like that might be ordering your car versus just settling for what is available at the time......

good luck!!!

avandss

Thanks for the great replies ( actually thanks hyperion and justthebest )! your absolutely right, enjoy my first merc, and next time order exactly what i want, specially since its not a monetary issue what so ever and more of cant wait 5 month, will die of excitement issue

just so i can beet myself a little more, i will ask this question

i dont plan on going to the track so the 1/4m times are not that important to me, its more the driving experience, i know the PP knocks off .1 sec off the 0-60 times, but is the car a whole new beast? will my butt dyno notice a huge diff?

for ex, cls550 to 63 was a HUGE JUMP, not even comparable, is it the same with the 63 to 63PP?

thanks!

wheelsloose

very easy to tell if you really have a CLS63 or not. Run the VIN through the vin decoder at the top in the tools section and it should decode it and tell you. Don't worry about PP. The only difference is 32HP, red painted calipers, a little stiffer suspension (although important to some), and carbon fiber spoiler and engine cover. The performance can easily be made up and exceeded with a Renntech tune or various other tunes. I will say I have been VERY happy with my Renntech tune.

Vic55

Having owned a slew of AMG's (7) I got a PP CLS and felt that the car was sluggish but realized that the throttle response and sweet spot was well past the half way point of throttle modulation. This differs very much from my GTR- 997TT- and previous M cars (E46 M3, E92 M3, E63 M6- didnt include M5 because it was a manual). So I had to change my habits that had become used to slight modulation to gain strong movement in regards to acceleration. The HP is there, trust me, I have dyno'd my car in stock form. You will just need to get on it quicker and more forceful. And another thing we have is the adaptive tranny which will record your driving habits (I think in a 40 period measurement) so if you drive the car hard, the tranny will respond more in kind.

Now this was my car stock but a tune will wake up the throttle well before 50% modulation so this might be a way to go and you will get tons of power and tq since you dont have the PP car. My car even with the PP clearly woke up with throttle response and acceleration just like every one else here who has done a tune.

The only Benz Ive ever had where the throttle response was excellent from the start is the C63 Black Series- I am not touching the ECU on this car. The throttle feels as touchy and responsive as the DCT E92 M3 I had.

avandss

i dont need to check the vin, its a cls63! you would have to be absolutely retarded not to know what you have.....

ok i guess my first post is not clear,

I have a cls63 with no pp.... i am having PP envy, thats all

and i reallllly do not want to tune the vehicle.... i like stock/headache free dealer relations, and my dealership here seems to be ANTI and mod.

avandss

Thanks Vic, and yes the c63 BS is absolutely insane, i never saw one, i dont even think they have them in canada, but from what i read its suppose to be out of this world!

hyperion667

I'd recommend ordering the car the way you want it......with PP and everything else too..........drive the car you have now a couple more months......trade it towards ordered car......

freefall

I waited 8 months to get the exact car I wanted and couldn't be happier but the end result of tuning and PP or non PP car is identical as far as power goes...its the other parts of the PP like the suspension that would be harder to supplement. We've debating this in the past...buying a non PP car and modding it out vs a PP car from the factory.

avandss

ok but did anyone drive both cars to compare?

is there a noticeable difference between the two cars? someone told me the difference is really more in the breaks and suspension and not the raw power, is this really the case?

i cant test drive the PP here as there are none to test

Vic55

The brakes are the same, the 0-60 times will be negligible at best, rolling races will yield the PP car pulling by about 2-3 cars at triple digits and beyond.

You also get the AMG PP steering wheel (not mentioned above) and a bigger TQ rating (not mentioned above) with the PP kit.
But a tune will rectify this. The suspension is definitely more taut--- I felt it necessary due to the way I drive my cars and the better quality roads I have. I like to push my cars hard in turns and higher speed curves/bends. I find the stock AMG suspension too mushy for me.

avandss

you guys are so lucky, in quebec the roads are so bad its not even funny!! i will go take a pic of the road and post it... you wont believe that all are roads are like that

Vic55

Well if your roads are THAT bad I think you need a truck LOL

Das Geld 2

If your not going to track it the PP is a waste of $$.

The smartest choice is an ECU tune on a non-pp for 1-2k.

avandss

the cls is not my daily driver, (sunny nights and weekends)

i am in the process of buying a suv for the daily, roads and winters are horrendous here...

hyperion667

in defense of myself I'd say it isn't a complete waste...it makes me smile and happy every time I look at it or drive it LOL......
and it gets amazing 'stops and stares' at car showings I've been going too...it's an awesome car...and the spoiler, calipers are not hurting me either.....the stock power is enough you're right...
I understand what you mean about the 'If you're not tracking it' thing....
but it's just what you make it I guess.......
I regretted not getting it for my E63......part of the reason I don't have that anymore
I do enjoy the thing with PP and have not been to a track......

Vic55

The PP is a firmer suspension, its not necessarily made for a track. Just like a 4200 plus lb CLS isnt either LOL.... The car still gets the AMG non PP springs up front and airmatic softies in the rear. Its just different shocks that come with the PP.

Its for those drivers who want less body roll and less yaw in turns and more stability at higher speeds; this doesnt have to be on the track to be enjoyed or used.

Hyperion you have tangible perpsective- you own the car. So do I. The PP shocks cost 1095 each up front and 850 each in the rear; this is a reasonable bump vs the stock AMG'ers. Then one also gets the nicer AMG steering wheel (yes its not necessary but we like it ), along with painted calipers, and carbon fiber covers. Cost around 6500 and I have said this before: I could do all of the work to put the PP parts on a non PP car but time and money would be relatively close so it all depends on the needs of the individual. I personally wouldnt touch a softer AMG variant if there was one that had a better more taut suspension that improved handling. But thats not for all and it also depends on ones roads and of course personal preference and comfort needs.

vdubpower

the rear shocks on the PP are different than the standard??? thought it was just the front....

otherwise i agree with the usual guys above

hyperion667

yes....to Vic, again.....always those things I forget about......I guess I am so used to it now haha.....
wonder what would happen if the up-coming CLA model gets an AMG upgrade

Vic55

All 4 shocks are different on the PP... different part numbers and pricing as I mentioned....

vdubpower

Yeah I guess I forgot.

On our **** freeways I'm in comfort most of the time anyways. Ehh