oil weight for a c32 oil change
06-24-2006, 08:33 PM
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Good grief. The new spec for the C32 is 5w-40. 2QUIK4U, we resolved this in your thread. The MB TSB is posted there. I believe the C32 is the 203.056.
06-25-2006, 12:59 AM
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So I went to the Stealership (Park Place in Dallas to be specific) today and spoke with the head service advisor. Apparently, now Mercedes is recommending 5W40, although 0W40 is recommended as well. I told him that the Mobil1 center had put 5W30 in my car and he said that is absolutely fine and nothing to be concerned about. He said as long as I have Mobil1 synthetic in there, it's fine.
I plan on changing the oil on my car every 3000 miles, so on the next change I will either go with the 5W40 or 0W40 synthetic.
I plan on changing the oil on my car every 3000 miles, so on the next change I will either go with the 5W40 or 0W40 synthetic.
06-25-2006, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by 2QUIK4U
So I went to the Stealership (Park Place in Dallas to be specific) today and spoke with the head service advisor. Apparently, now Mercedes is recommending 5W40, although 0W40 is recommended as well. I told him that the Mobil1 center had put 5W30 in my car and he said that is absolutely fine and nothing to be concerned about. He said as long as I have Mobil1 synthetic in there, it's fine.
I plan on changing the oil on my car every 3000 miles, so on the next change I will either go with the 5W40 or 0W40 synthetic.
I plan on changing the oil on my car every 3000 miles, so on the next change I will either go with the 5W40 or 0W40 synthetic.
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06-27-2006, 02:05 AM
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Dealers no longer have to stock 0W40 5-W40 is the new replacement. They are changing to oil due to emisions and the new diesels. Neither of them will effect warranty and either one is fine in the vehicle.
10-05-2006, 11:58 PM
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Oh, for the sweet love of the christ-child!
I was on the road last weekend - noticed I was a quart low on oil when I stopped at a gas station.
I called MB and because it was the weekend, got through to their roadside assistance. I asked the dude which oil to use and he said Mobil 1 10W30. I said, hey man - that doesn't sound right - are you sure? He looked it up again and said that's what MB was recommending for the 2002 C32. I stupidly proceeded to purchase 2 gallons of it and throw the receipt away.
I guess I should have searched for this thread before going on the road!!!!!!!
I was on the road last weekend - noticed I was a quart low on oil when I stopped at a gas station.
I called MB and because it was the weekend, got through to their roadside assistance. I asked the dude which oil to use and he said Mobil 1 10W30. I said, hey man - that doesn't sound right - are you sure? He looked it up again and said that's what MB was recommending for the 2002 C32. I stupidly proceeded to purchase 2 gallons of it and throw the receipt away.
I guess I should have searched for this thread before going on the road!!!!!!!
10-06-2006, 02:01 AM
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The AMSOIL product is 5w-40 Synthetic European Engine Oil (USA) per MB listings for 229.5 spec. The new 229.51 spec is only Mobil1.
10-06-2006, 02:37 AM
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If you choose to stick with the old spec 229.5, AMSOIL is or was a listed compatible oil by MB.
If you choose to go with the latest spec 229.51, Mobil 1 is currently the only listed oil by MB that meets this new specification. The MB bulletin is listed in another posting covering this new oil spec. It covers both C32 and C55.
I spoke with a Mobil 1 rep, and he advised to use the new spec oil, that the reformulation significant enough to warrant. However, it's only available at dealers, shipped in large quantity drums. If you're okay with the sucking method of oil change, it's not a problem.
If you're changing yourself, you're pretty much stuck using the old spec 229.5 compatible motor oils.
If you choose to go with the latest spec 229.51, Mobil 1 is currently the only listed oil by MB that meets this new specification. The MB bulletin is listed in another posting covering this new oil spec. It covers both C32 and C55.
I spoke with a Mobil 1 rep, and he advised to use the new spec oil, that the reformulation significant enough to warrant. However, it's only available at dealers, shipped in large quantity drums. If you're okay with the sucking method of oil change, it's not a problem.
If you're changing yourself, you're pretty much stuck using the old spec 229.5 compatible motor oils.
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10-08-2006, 10:51 PM
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If you choose to stick with the old spec 229.5, AMSOIL is or was a listed compatible oil by MB.
If you choose to go with the latest spec 229.51, Mobil 1 is currently the only listed oil by MB that meets this new specification. The MB bulletin is listed in another posting covering this new oil spec. It covers both C32 and C55.
I spoke with a Mobil 1 rep, and he advised to use the new spec oil, that the reformulation significant enough to warrant. However, it's only available at dealers, shipped in large quantity drums. If you're okay with the sucking method of oil change, it's not a problem.
If you're changing yourself, you're pretty much stuck using the old spec 229.5 compatible motor oils.
If you choose to go with the latest spec 229.51, Mobil 1 is currently the only listed oil by MB that meets this new specification. The MB bulletin is listed in another posting covering this new oil spec. It covers both C32 and C55.
I spoke with a Mobil 1 rep, and he advised to use the new spec oil, that the reformulation significant enough to warrant. However, it's only available at dealers, shipped in large quantity drums. If you're okay with the sucking method of oil change, it's not a problem.
If you're changing yourself, you're pretty much stuck using the old spec 229.5 compatible motor oils.
actually, you're wrong...the bottle of amsoil i have in the garage meets the new 229.51, so you can get the oil and change it yourself...check the amsoil website
10-09-2006, 03:44 PM
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MB bulletin P-B-18.00/17d states that the only approved oil for spec 229.51 is Mobil 1 ESP Formula M; viscosity 5W-40. My statement above concurs with this bulletin, as I was referencing the MB bulletin, not the claim of AMSOIL.
I can appreciate a company claim that their product 'meets' or 'exceeds' the OEM spec, etc. It has become so prevalent, however, that it is losing credibility and impact in the marketplace.
So, at the moment, the AMSOIL claim to meet 229.51 is just that, their own.
10-10-2006, 02:34 AM
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Actually, I'm not.
MB bulletin P-B-18.00/17d states that the only approved oil for spec 229.51 is Mobil 1 ESP Formula M; viscosity 5W-40. My statement above concurs with this bulletin, as I was referencing the MB bulletin, not the claim of AMSOIL.
I can appreciate a company claim that their product 'meets' or 'exceeds' the OEM spec, etc. It has become so prevalent, however, that it is losing credibility and impact in the marketplace.
So, at the moment, the AMSOIL claim to meet 229.51 is just that, their own.
MB bulletin P-B-18.00/17d states that the only approved oil for spec 229.51 is Mobil 1 ESP Formula M; viscosity 5W-40. My statement above concurs with this bulletin, as I was referencing the MB bulletin, not the claim of AMSOIL.
I can appreciate a company claim that their product 'meets' or 'exceeds' the OEM spec, etc. It has become so prevalent, however, that it is losing credibility and impact in the marketplace.
So, at the moment, the AMSOIL claim to meet 229.51 is just that, their own.
i will let you know what i find out, as i would like to know if it is true or not...
10-10-2006, 05:11 PM
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10-10-2006, 07:02 PM
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good find...i like this especially:
MB sheet 229.51 approved oils; low ash long life
Mercedes pioneered this new spec for passenger cars with diesel engines with EURO 4 or Bluetec exhaust particle filters and longer service life than the 229.31 oils. The spec was introduced in 2005. Change intervals increased to 20,000 kilometers. Based on ACEA A3 B4 and C3. Amsoil European Car Formula 5W-40
Aral SuperTronic 229.51 0W-40 LOW SAPS
Castrol Longtec Turbodiesel 0W-30 (229.51)
Fuchs TITAN GT1 229.51 SAE 5W-30 (first fill oil in OM 642)
Mobil 1 ESP Formula M 5W-40 (to become available in the USA on 5/15/06)
Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 Emission System Protection (Europe, from 12/05)
Shell Helix Ultra AX 5W-30 Mercedes 229.51
Valvoline SynPower MST 5W-30 229.51 (added 6/1/2006)
10-11-2006, 04:16 PM
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actually, you are, why would AMSOIL make a claim like that on a public website where anyone could call them out? and, i just submited my oil from the last 10,000miles to an independent oil analysis company to see if their claims are true...gotta love living near the port of houston.... i will let you know what i find out, as i would like to know if it is true or not...
i will let you know what i find out, as i would like to know if it is true or not...AMSOIL states that their motor oil meets spec 229.51, MB does not. Again, that is a huge difference. IAM specifications and OEM/OES specifications can be exactly the same, or can be a wild guess on the part of the IAM. Furthermore, challenging the IAM is a waste of time.
So, before you respond, please do so with MB documentation listing AMSOIL 5w-40 European car formula oil as meeting spec 229.51.
10-11-2006, 04:46 PM
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For example:
1. The list contains Mobil 1 ESP Formula M 5W-40, but in parens states that it is for 'diesel w/ particle filter'. The MB document P-B-18.00/17d that announces the new spec 229.51 listing Mobil 1 ESP Formula M 5W-40 does not make this statement. It (MB doc) lists a variety of models, which include the 211.026 E320 CDI (diesel), and 203.076 C55 AMG.
This can be confusing, because you can buy a Mobil 1 5W-40 synthetic motor oil for diesel vehicles at your local parts store, but it is not the specific Mobil 1 ESP Formula M 5W-40 listed in the MB doc P-B-18.00/17d listing the 211.026 and 203.076, among others.
2. The top table lists USA specs and is generally correct. Per MB, the listed Mobil 1 and Valvoline products are the only approved and recognized product to meet 229.51 by MB. But the asterisk on the Valvoline SynPower listing is misleading, although the statement regarding AMG engines is made. The * (not (*) ) is referring to the 'note' below the table. It is very important to know that the 5W-30 Valvoline product is not listed for ALL AMG engines, so you will have to do your homework.
For 1FASTC32's benefit, there is no AMSOIL product listed in the table identified for USA vehicles. I guess the 229.51 list at the end is for the rest of the world, as the 229.51 MB documentation for the USA only lists the Mobil 1 and Valvoline. The Valvoline was listed in update document P-B-18.00/17e.
And for everyone's benefit, it seems to be a mix of product based on either THEIR claim, but not necessarily MB's approval and recommendation. This mix of product based on either their claim, but not necessary that of MB's, also applies to the list at the very end.
Of further interest, the list at the end of the web link states that the spec was introduced in 2005, but the MB document for the USA was issued on April 13, 2006. The MB doc announcing the new spec makes no mention of a longer service life. Given that that verbiage references KM instead of miles, I believe the author is referencing MB documentation not applicable to USA spec vehicles.
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10-11-2006, 05:54 PM
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This is an interesting list for several reasons. It is not MB documentation, but rather a mish-mosh listing of various MB TSBs, as best I can tell. It has headings of 'MB sheet...', but the listings don't correspond correctly with the actual MB documentation.
For example:
1. The list contains Mobil 1 ESP Formula M 5W-40, but in parens states that it is for 'diesel w/ particle filter'. The MB document P-B-18.00/17d that announces the new spec 229.51 listing Mobil 1 ESP Formula M 5W-40 does not make this statement. It (MB doc) lists a variety of models, which include the 211.026 E320 CDI (diesel), and 203.076 C55 AMG.
This can be confusing, because you can buy a Mobil 1 5W-40 synthetic motor oil for diesel vehicles at your local parts store, but it is not the specific Mobil 1 ESP Formula M 5W-40 listed in the MB doc P-B-18.00/17d listing the 211.026 and 203.076, among others.
2. The top table lists USA specs and is generally correct. Per MB, the listed Mobil 1 and Valvoline products are the only approved and recognized product to meet 229.51 by MB. But the asterisk on the Valvoline SynPower listing is misleading, although the statement regarding AMG engines is made. The * (not (*) ) is referring to the 'note' below the table. It is very important to know that the 5W-30 Valvoline product is not listed for ALL AMG engines, so you will have to do your homework.
For 1FASTC32's benefit, there is no AMSOIL product listed in the table identified for USA vehicles. I guess the 229.51 list at the end is for the rest of the world, as the 229.51 MB documentation for the USA only lists the Mobil 1 and Valvoline. The Valvoline was listed in update document P-B-18.00/17e.
And for everyone's benefit, it seems to be a mix of product based on either THEIR claim, but not necessarily MB's approval and recommendation. This mix of product based on either their claim, but not necessary that of MB's, also applies to the list at the very end.
Of further interest, the list at the end of the web link states that the spec was introduced in 2005, but the MB document for the USA was issued on April 13, 2006. The MB doc announcing the new spec makes no mention of a longer service life. Given that that verbiage references KM instead of miles, I believe the author is referencing MB documentation not applicable to USA spec vehicles.
For example:
1. The list contains Mobil 1 ESP Formula M 5W-40, but in parens states that it is for 'diesel w/ particle filter'. The MB document P-B-18.00/17d that announces the new spec 229.51 listing Mobil 1 ESP Formula M 5W-40 does not make this statement. It (MB doc) lists a variety of models, which include the 211.026 E320 CDI (diesel), and 203.076 C55 AMG.
This can be confusing, because you can buy a Mobil 1 5W-40 synthetic motor oil for diesel vehicles at your local parts store, but it is not the specific Mobil 1 ESP Formula M 5W-40 listed in the MB doc P-B-18.00/17d listing the 211.026 and 203.076, among others.
2. The top table lists USA specs and is generally correct. Per MB, the listed Mobil 1 and Valvoline products are the only approved and recognized product to meet 229.51 by MB. But the asterisk on the Valvoline SynPower listing is misleading, although the statement regarding AMG engines is made. The * (not (*) ) is referring to the 'note' below the table. It is very important to know that the 5W-30 Valvoline product is not listed for ALL AMG engines, so you will have to do your homework.
For 1FASTC32's benefit, there is no AMSOIL product listed in the table identified for USA vehicles. I guess the 229.51 list at the end is for the rest of the world, as the 229.51 MB documentation for the USA only lists the Mobil 1 and Valvoline. The Valvoline was listed in update document P-B-18.00/17e.
And for everyone's benefit, it seems to be a mix of product based on either THEIR claim, but not necessarily MB's approval and recommendation. This mix of product based on either their claim, but not necessary that of MB's, also applies to the list at the very end.
Of further interest, the list at the end of the web link states that the spec was introduced in 2005, but the MB document for the USA was issued on April 13, 2006. The MB doc announcing the new spec makes no mention of a longer service life. Given that that verbiage references KM instead of miles, I believe the author is referencing MB documentation not applicable to USA spec vehicles.
but, for the record, i will still be using AMSOIL products...i have used them for years in all the vehicles that i have owned and never once had a problem with them...
10-11-2006, 07:02 PM
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All this oil talk, is it true that tracks don't let you use syntetic oil because it's a pain in the assss to clean up. I don't think nascar even uses the benefits of syntetics. What about other racing sanctions.
10-11-2006, 07:35 PM
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define 'tracks'...i know at the drag strip it doesn't matter, don't know about others
