Going to fab up my own intercooler reservoir...
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http://www.coolflow.com/intracooler/intercooler.htm
here we go...i think this is what you are talking about
here we go...i think this is what you are talking about
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the cooler helps in all conditions, not just drag racing. the coolant doesn't 'run out' like n2o. if you heat up the coolant, just drive around normal for a bit, and the coolant will be cold again.
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Best bang for the buck is to relocate the battery to trunk. Fab coolant tank where battery use to be. Install a higher flowing intercooler pump (at least 10 gals per minute). Wire pump to run all of the time. During off boost the intercooler will act as a heat exchange. Anything more complicated will give little return for a lot of effort. If you have a plastic unit sized for the battery location let me know I am about to do the same thing.
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Best bang for the buck is to relocate the battery to trunk. Fab coolant tank where battery use to be. Install a higher flowing intercooler pump (at least 10 gals per minute). Wire pump to run all of the time. During off boost the intercooler will act as a heat exchange. Anything more complicated will give little return for a lot of effort. If you have a plastic unit sized for the battery location let me know I am about to do the same thing.
i will let you know what i come up with...thanks
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I just started owning a mercedes recently but have knowledge with intercooling from the toyota message boards. I have a mr2 sc as well that has cooling problems. I'm not too familiar with the c32 intercooler, if it is air/air or air/water?
Sounds like an air/water. In that case, the heat exchanger is probably the single biggest factor in cooling. As long as you have a sufficient pump. If your looking to replace the pump alot of people recommend the centri puppi along with a decent size heat exchanger. The larger the heat exchanger the better. Some people have used the cobra heat exchanger which you can get for $100 from ebay.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the c32 use the twin screw design sc'er? If so it is much more efficient then the roots type as doesn't create as much heat and is alot faster at cooling down. We have a forum member that designed a twin screw kit and tested them for a 1.6L mr2 sc'er. With the smaller blower he's getting over 260 rwhp. And that's coming from 145 stock. When he puts the bigger blower on, he should be able to easily attain 300 rwhp and with further tuning close to 400.
Enough babble...I'm so use to getting custom things done for my car or doing it myself. I think alot of things can be done for the mercedes w/o paying some steep prices.
Ron
Sounds like an air/water. In that case, the heat exchanger is probably the single biggest factor in cooling. As long as you have a sufficient pump. If your looking to replace the pump alot of people recommend the centri puppi along with a decent size heat exchanger. The larger the heat exchanger the better. Some people have used the cobra heat exchanger which you can get for $100 from ebay.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the c32 use the twin screw design sc'er? If so it is much more efficient then the roots type as doesn't create as much heat and is alot faster at cooling down. We have a forum member that designed a twin screw kit and tested them for a 1.6L mr2 sc'er. With the smaller blower he's getting over 260 rwhp. And that's coming from 145 stock. When he puts the bigger blower on, he should be able to easily attain 300 rwhp and with further tuning close to 400.
Enough babble...I'm so use to getting custom things done for my car or doing it myself. I think alot of things can be done for the mercedes w/o paying some steep prices.
Ron
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I just started owning a mercedes recently but have knowledge with intercooling from the toyota message boards. I have a mr2 sc as well that has cooling problems. I'm not too familiar with the c32 intercooler, if it is air/air or air/water?
Sounds like an air/water. In that case, the heat exchanger is probably the single biggest factor in cooling. As long as you have a sufficient pump. If your looking to replace the pump alot of people recommend the centri puppi along with a decent size heat exchanger. The larger the heat exchanger the better. Some people have used the cobra heat exchanger which you can get for $100 from ebay.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the c32 use the twin screw design sc'er? If so it is much more efficient then the roots type as doesn't create as much heat and is alot faster at cooling down. We have a forum member that designed a twin screw kit and tested them for a 1.6L mr2 sc'er. With the smaller blower he's getting over 260 rwhp. And that's coming from 145 stock. When he puts the bigger blower on, he should be able to easily attain 300 rwhp and with further tuning close to 400.
Enough babble...I'm so use to getting custom things done for my car or doing it myself. I think alot of things can be done for the mercedes w/o paying some steep prices.
Ron
Sounds like an air/water. In that case, the heat exchanger is probably the single biggest factor in cooling. As long as you have a sufficient pump. If your looking to replace the pump alot of people recommend the centri puppi along with a decent size heat exchanger. The larger the heat exchanger the better. Some people have used the cobra heat exchanger which you can get for $100 from ebay.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the c32 use the twin screw design sc'er? If so it is much more efficient then the roots type as doesn't create as much heat and is alot faster at cooling down. We have a forum member that designed a twin screw kit and tested them for a 1.6L mr2 sc'er. With the smaller blower he's getting over 260 rwhp. And that's coming from 145 stock. When he puts the bigger blower on, he should be able to easily attain 300 rwhp and with further tuning close to 400.
Enough babble...I'm so use to getting custom things done for my car or doing it myself. I think alot of things can be done for the mercedes w/o paying some steep prices.
Ron
it is air/water and the real issue is that the intercooler fluid and engine coolant run through the same system. they are not issolated...this is where you get the most heat soak. it could use a bigger heat exhanger as well...
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Ok, went by the coolflow shop today to talk to them about doing a custom setup using the A/C system as a cooling device. the cost is not as bad as i thought it might be, but there are two draw backs...
1. it will only cool the fluid down to 60-70 degrees...not worth all of the extra work IMO to only get the fluid to this point.
2. it will be a major chop job on the engine bay...this is because of where the A/C lines are in respect to where you would have to mount the actual cooling device(where the battery sits right now), along with having to move the battery to the trunk...
SO, hear is what i am looking into right now. i am going to see about getting a reservoir from a cobra as well as the heat exchanger, both after market of course, then see what i can come up with as far as a solution...
1. it will only cool the fluid down to 60-70 degrees...not worth all of the extra work IMO to only get the fluid to this point.
2. it will be a major chop job on the engine bay...this is because of where the A/C lines are in respect to where you would have to mount the actual cooling device(where the battery sits right now), along with having to move the battery to the trunk...
SO, hear is what i am looking into right now. i am going to see about getting a reservoir from a cobra as well as the heat exchanger, both after market of course, then see what i can come up with as far as a solution...
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how much coolant runs through the stock intercooler system? What is the average IAT for these cars now?
The way i see it this is what i think needs to be done the volume of coolant needs to be increased along with the size of the heat exchanger and a pump which will flow a higher rate of fluid than the stock. If you can move the battery to the trunk, have a coolant tank made to fit in that area, making sure it is more than the amount of coolant that is used now, run all new insulated lines and increase the size of the heat exchanger you should be able to drop IAT. What about using fans to move air over the Can aew tank and or exchanger?
also remember our colling systems are designed to vent if pressure builds up
JGSX, that coolant fridge seems like a cool idea..no pun intended,but i personally wouldnt want something like that in the trunk of my car.
What about an engine oil cooler?
I do think you could mount a larger heat exchanger but you need to cut away some of the bumper support beam
The way i see it this is what i think needs to be done the volume of coolant needs to be increased along with the size of the heat exchanger and a pump which will flow a higher rate of fluid than the stock. If you can move the battery to the trunk, have a coolant tank made to fit in that area, making sure it is more than the amount of coolant that is used now, run all new insulated lines and increase the size of the heat exchanger you should be able to drop IAT. What about using fans to move air over the Can aew tank and or exchanger?
also remember our colling systems are designed to vent if pressure builds up
JGSX, that coolant fridge seems like a cool idea..no pun intended,but i personally wouldnt want something like that in the trunk of my car.
What about an engine oil cooler?
I do think you could mount a larger heat exchanger but you need to cut away some of the bumper support beam
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Stock car in street driving runs about 20-30F above ambient. Under WOT AIT goes to around 80-100F above ambient within 5-6 seconds and will stabilize at around 120F above ambient at constant WOT, like road racing.
Now if you are running on a hot day on a hot track, where surface temperature is usually 20-30F above ambient, it is possible to get close to 255F kompressor clutch shut-off.
Upgrading the pulleys adds 25-35F degrees to the numbers above. This is why ODPS has extra lines running to windshield washer reservior. Extra fluid capacity and seperating system form engine cooling system allowed ODPS AIT to be very close to stock.
Adding bigger Johnson pump does not in itself reduce the peak temperature, it significantly increases time it take to reach peak AIT under boost and allows the fluid to cool down more qiuckly.
Now if you are running on a hot day on a hot track, where surface temperature is usually 20-30F above ambient, it is possible to get close to 255F kompressor clutch shut-off.
Upgrading the pulleys adds 25-35F degrees to the numbers above. This is why ODPS has extra lines running to windshield washer reservior. Extra fluid capacity and seperating system form engine cooling system allowed ODPS AIT to be very close to stock.
Adding bigger Johnson pump does not in itself reduce the peak temperature, it significantly increases time it take to reach peak AIT under boost and allows the fluid to cool down more qiuckly.
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yes, but setting up the coolant system to cool the lines in the trunk will be expensive...the guy i talked to today set one up in a taurus SHO and it cost $2500.00...
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That is very overpriced.
the system I'm talking about is very simple. Completely isolate the supercharger from the normal vechicle coolant
IN <-------<-------<-------<------- OUT
supercharer coolant.................heat exchanger/compressor/large resevoir
OUT------->------->------->----- -->IN
The system could vent to atmosphere easily since it would already be in the well
the system I'm talking about is very simple. Completely isolate the supercharger from the normal vechicle coolant
IN <-------<-------<-------<------- OUT
supercharer coolant.................heat exchanger/compressor/large resevoir
OUT------->------->------->----- -->IN
The system could vent to atmosphere easily since it would already be in the well
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That is very overpriced.
the system I'm talking about is very simple. Completely isolate the supercharger from the normal vechicle coolant
IN <-------<-------<-------<------- OUT
supercharer coolant.................heat exchanger/compressor/large resevoir
OUT------->------->------->----- -->IN
The system could vent to atmosphere easily since it would already be in the well
the system I'm talking about is very simple. Completely isolate the supercharger from the normal vechicle coolant
IN <-------<-------<-------<------- OUT
supercharer coolant.................heat exchanger/compressor/large resevoir
OUT------->------->------->----- -->IN
The system could vent to atmosphere easily since it would already be in the well
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IN <-------<-------<-------<------- OUT
supercharer coolant.................heat exchanger/compressor/large resevoir
OUT------->------->------->----- -->IN
supercharer coolant.................heat exchanger/compressor/large resevoir
OUT------->------->------->----- -->IN
This what I did when I designed ODPS Stage 1 for evosport. Except I used windshield washer reservior. It is a lot closer and creates total fluid capacity close to 2 gallons.
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i agree that this is a great location and a great mod, except that it nullifies the use of the winshield washer fluid...that is the only thing holding me back from going this route...
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On my car I run 65% water and 35 coolant. However, I do do a fluid flush every few years in case of the build up with running more water. But the car always runs alot cooler than stock, and I'm also running a higher boost than over stock as well.
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UPDATE: i ordered a new heat exchanger and a seperate reservoir today, it should be here before the weekend...i ordered a LFP Dual Pass Heat Exchanger for a 03 Cobra(same dimensions as ours but more efficient) and an upgraded 03 Cobra reservoir with a 4" Fuel Door so that you can pack it with ice! i ordered the one that is designed for the previous gen mustangs because it is a little shorter than the direct replacement one for the cobra...
i will let you know once i get it installed and working...and yes i will make sure i take some pics with this so that you can duplicate it.
i am also considering putting together a complete bolt-on kit that you could order directly from me with pictured instructions along with the heat exchanger, reservoir, hoses, fittings, clamps, etc...
i will let you know once i get it installed and working...and yes i will make sure i take some pics with this so that you can duplicate it.
i am also considering putting together a complete bolt-on kit that you could order directly from me with pictured instructions along with the heat exchanger, reservoir, hoses, fittings, clamps, etc...
