Belmondo

The article states this twin turbo is on par with current M3
http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/09/...in-48-seconds/

BMW 335i sedan: 0-60 in 4.8 seconds
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BMW's 328i and 335i sedans had perhaps one of the most quiet rollouts of any automobile in recent memory. The German automaker never issued a press release, nor did it make any effort to overtly advertise the demise of the 325i or 330i in favor the new, more powerful models. This might lead one to believe the upgrades are minor, but nothing could be farther from the truth. In a newly-published road test, Car and Driver magazine reports achieving a zero to 60 mph time of just 4.8 seconds. That puts the five-seater sedan on par with the current-generation M3 coupe. Reaching 100 mph takes just 11.8 seconds. The 3616-pound four-door achieves these impressive numbers thanks to a twin-turbo inline-six with a claimed output of 300 horsepower. Of course, there is a great deal of speculation that the engine is actually more powerful that BMW says. Recent dynamometer tests of the 335i coupe tend to confirm this theory.




Link to the video:
http://videos.streetfire.net/recentv...44013bcc63.htm



Not bad for 300hp. How do you think it will compare to C55's?

MercedesFTW

If those numbers are right it's faster than a C55.

jtc55

very impressive for a regular 3-series sedan. i wonder how much faster the new M3 will be from 0-60 mph or 1/4 mile?

Nelson

Next gen M will more than likely come with a V8, so expect torque #'s to be up there.

velvet fog

But will it beat a CLK550? 335 convertible with folding hard top may just be enough to get me to jump ship.

430

I have driven the 335i. Very nice, compelling package. The turbo's kick in early and give a nice boost. Looking in the engine bay and the upgadability of turbos it is going to be a tuners delight. A lot of the plumping looks very restrictive. Yes, it runs high compression but is a direct injection engine and I see no reason the boost can't be bumped several psi. Personally looking at the price vs. the current gen M3 the 335 is the way to go. Granted there is no 2007 M3.

RawAMGpower

Uh no its not even if those number are correct. While a stock 335 might be able hang with a stock C55 up to 60 by the time you reach 100 you'll be well ahead of it.

SilverBulletAMG

Well that's some scary new info. I would be pissed to have a standard, stock bimmer hangin with me or possibly beating me between the lights! I can take a loss to an M class, but a standard 3 series!? Thats like a Benz C320 puttin up those numbers damn near. Granted, the bimmer is a TT...

TopGun32

just keep in mind that the 335i is making more power than stated.

Its making 280+ to the wheels, with as much torque...

thats 340hp+ and 340+ torque..

some Dyno runs it has hit 290's+

just a chip and downpipe.. and it will be close to 400hp

for those of you with a C32.. pulley and chip (NOW!)

Given that the 335i will have 1 extra gear, better weight distribution, from a roll or stop.. I take the 335i stock vs the C32.

(if I do keep the C32, I need the ECU for sure!)

RawAMGpower

340+ at the crank I'm sorry but I just don't believe it . A buddy of mine just told me a friend of his got one, so I'm going to see if I can set up a race with him.

On another note there I believe might be one to drive at the BMW Performance Drive in Fontana on the 16th, so I'll see how this thing really performs. I don't think it could pull on a stock C55 or C32 for that matter.

mbny

next M3 has been rumored to see 4 seconds flat 0-60. We'll see.....

mbny

check out this link. there is supposedly already a chip in production for the 335i. +75hp for only $1,295! This will be my next car! Montego Blue.....

http://www.dynocomp.com/bmw.php?view=bmw

SilverBulletAMG

I think that just backs up the fact that the hp rating on this car was lowballed from the factory. Hard to believe a simple ECU upgrade would garnish a 75+ hp bump. Topgun32 is probably close in the actual hp rating on the car based on the info from dynocomp. Notice they don't post a dyno graph on the site for the 335i. I want to see some real stock dyno numbers on this car. Either way this car scares me. If you can't beat em....

RawAMGpower

I'm sorry, but why don't you guys race one or atleast see some "actual" dyno graphs on this thing before you tuck your tails between your legs and run away in fear.

SilverBulletAMG

Don't get me wrong, I would never back down from a race and look forward to some real numbers and results. Based on writing here and other sites though, this sounds like it could be a real sleeper.

skratch77

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=165585

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=166892

http://www.automobilemag.com/feature..._dyno_revised/

some good reading on the 335

Derrick9191

Yo A friend of mine just picked one of those guys up on friday. He paid like 47 i think. He said as soon as he does the break in we will race. So I will keep you updated and let you know. Keep in mind my C32 is basically stock. I have green filters, sl55 intake and resonater delete. But I will race him from the line and from a roll to see whats really going on with the 335. I will keep you posted.

TopGun32

ahh you beat me to it

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http://www.automobilemag.com/featur...i_dyno_revised/

Dynoed a different 335 again.


few weeks ago, we got a surprise visit from the new BMW 335i coupe, one of the hottest cars of the year. We’d been quivering in anticipation for the 335i not because it’s a 3-series--although that pedigree doesn’t hurt--but because the mind-meltingly fast two-door offers BMW’s first turbocharged gasoline engine ever to be sold in the States.

With this in mind, we just had to take the new coupe to the dyno and see exactly how much power its twin-turbo powerplant puts to the ground. The results? 275 hp and 300 lb-ft of torque at the rear wheels--more than we expected. Rated by the Bimmer boys at 300 hp and 300 lb-ft of torque, it was pretty clear to us that the Bavarian masterpiece was a little underrated from the factory.

In the weeks since we first published the results of that test, we’ve heard some criticism of our conclusion that the 335i makes "closer to 350 hp" than the reported 300. We arrived at that verdict after some quick calculations, but since a chassis dyno only reports how many horses make it to the wheels, it’s admittedly a hard number to verify. We did four runs with that particular car, and the actual peaks were 276, 280, 280, and 283 horsepower. We published the lowest number to be sure there was no claim that we were exaggerating the engine’s output.

But what if this was a one-time fluke? What if that first 335i was a particularly strong example? Or--gasp--a ringer! The answer to that question appeared in the form of another 335i (this time painted space gray metallic) that BMW dropped off last week. Again, without hesitation, we grabbed the keys and headed for the dyno shop.

2007 BMW 335i Coupe Rear Corner
On the way, we were pleased to find intact the awesome midrange torque and incredible straight-six soundtrack. Reacquainting ourselves with the gauges, we noticed that, as with the original tester, the oil temperature stabilized at 240 degrees Fahrenheit while cruising in sixth gear at 80 mph. Lesser engines would melt at those temperatures!

Temperature? Wait! A quick look at the outside temperature display showed that it was only 78 degrees Fahrenheit outside. The last time we put a 335i on the rollers, it was 92. Everybody knows that engines make more power when they get cooler air--and that turbocharged engines are particularly susceptible to heat soak. We stopped worrying and started getting excited. This one might do even better.

We strapped the 335i down, started it up, and did three runs back to back to back. The results were very consistent, showing peaks of 285 hp, then 282 hp, and, finally, 287 hp. This 335i was even stronger at the top end than the last one, but not as strong in the midrange. Peak torque was stable through all three runs at about 285 lb-ft.

After the final run, we decided to grab audio of the 335i running from first gear through fourth. We expected to have the hairs on the back of our neck stand up at the sound of the 3.0-liter engine at full throat, but what we didn’t expect, of course, was a peak hp number nudging the 300-hp mark. That’s right--shortly after the shift into fourth, this second 335i peaked briefly at 299.93 hp.

Looking closely at the chart, there’s a likely explanation for that outrageous number. No, it wasn’t additional torque from a rough shift--the peak occurred too long after the gear change. Like most turbocharged cars, the computer allows a momentary spike of boost before stabilizing it at a prescribed level. We lucked out, as that spike happened right at the engine’s inherent power peak, so we got a little nudge in the final number. Whether the dyno numbers ultimately translate into 300 hp, 350 hp, or 327.543-to-the-fifth-power-hp, the results speak for themselves: this is one very powerful engine.

vraa

What a fricken powerful car.
This is just great!

Horsepower wars are in full swing, I wonder what the next M3 will be like!

Cylinder Head

iTrader: (1)

These cars rock! I saw one in grey leaving NYC the other night, we were stuck next to each other in Lincoln Tunnel traffic and I accosted the driver with a littany of questions. Halfway through he looked at the grill on my fender and was like, "wait, you're in an M5? why the hell do you care about my 3 series?" My response, "Because it has two ******* turbos man!!!"

amgmark

I need a 4 door damn it.. are they planning to make the 335 in a sedan? That's one of the reason I didn't move from my 330 to an M3..

wawy

I am curious to see how or if Mercedes will address this. Perhaps they will increase the output of the C350? Thoughts anyone?

cantc0pe

I have the article but my german isnt good. I hope their is a german here that can write a summary about the test. I have some info ut I want to know more


Laptime Nordschleife 8.26 min (4 seconds slower than M3)
Laptime Hockenheim 1.17,8 min (0,8 seconds faster than C55 and 1.5 seconds slower than M3)

0-100km/h 5.6 sec
0-200km/h 20,7 sec

36m slalom: 130km/h (M3 123km/h, C55 122km/h)
110m change lane: 136km/h (M6 137km/h, M3 136km/h, C55 134km/h)
Wet track: 1.36,8 min (M5 E60 1.36, 7min)

G-powers: 1.15g (C55, 1,10g and M3 1.10g)

Overall score: 45 points (1 point better than M3)






BMW, are they cheating? it is called the 335i even though it comes with a 3.0-litres bi-turbo engine. But the two 39mm turbo chargers give it the advantage same as 0.5 litres more displacement.

The powerful engine has no problem with the weight of the car, always offers enough power and makes it a pretty good performer even though it has no "M" in its name.

The engine and 6-spped manual transmisison are a pefect peering, only there is no mechanical limited slip differential but an ESP which always interferes with throttle and gas, lacks a bit of traction. But the power of the engine always preserves the enthusiam of driving one.

You have to get used to the new active steering whoch gives a preview on the future things to come from BMW.

The 335i is a true dream car, nothing else, the quickest coupe without the "M" in its name.


Acceleration 335i:
80-120km/h 4/5/6 gear: 5.5 s /6.5s / 7.9s
80-160km/h 4/5/6 gear: 11.4s/13,7s/16.7s
80-180km/h 4/5/6 gear: 14,8s/17,8S/ ---

M3
80-120km/h 4/5/6 gear: 5,2 s / 6,6 s / 9,5 s
80-160km/h 4/5/6 gear: 10,9 s / 13,9 s / 18,9 s
80-180km/h 4/5/6 gear: 14,1 s / 17,4 s / 25 s

C55
80-120km/h 4/5/6 gear: 6,3 s / 7,9 s / --- s
80-160km/h 4/5/6 gear: 12,8 s / 15,9 s / --- s
80-180km/h 4/5/6 gear: 16,3 s / 20,2 s / - s

cantc0pe

heres some more for u guys:

Quoted from another fourm:

"Well, to bring this thread back on topic, here are some more detailed numbers from the Sport Auto test of the 335i. In their article, they listed the numbers from the E46 M3, W203 C55, and B6 S4 Avant which were tested previously. Here are the major categories of their test.

Nuburgring laptime:
1) M3: 8.22minutes
2) C55: 8:22 minutes
3) 335i: 8:26 minutes
4) S4 Avant: 8:29 minutes

Hockenheim laptime:
1) M3: 1.17,6 minutes
2) 335i: 1.17.8 minutes
3) C55: 1.18,6 minutes
4) S4 Avant: 1.19,1 minutes

0-200-0 km/h
1) M3: 23.2 seconds
2) C55: 23.7 seconds
3) 335i: 26.3 seconds
4) S4 Avant: 26.4 seconds

Transverse acceleration:
1) 335i: 1.15 g
2) M3: 1.10 g
3) C55: 1.10 g
4) S4 Avant: 1.05 g

Slalom course (36m)
1) 335i: 136 km/h
2) M3: 123 km/h
3) C55: 122 km/h
4) S4 Avant: 121 km/h

Evasive course (110m)
1) 335i: 136 km/h
2) M3: 136 km/h
3) C55: 134 km/h
4) S4 Avant: 130 km/h

Total points indicative of the "overall assessment"
1) 335i: 45
2) M3: 44
3) C55: 42
4) S4 Avant: 37

In other words, Sport Auto, which places an emphasis on handling rather than straight line speed, ranks the new 335i above the E46 M3. Quite an achievement for a non-M car with stock 17" rims"

It seems that the 335i is a better choice than the E46 M3

RawAMGpower

Here is some drag time info on it. Looks like it is slightly slower then a C55 and a C32.

http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-335i-Timeslip-9827.html

http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-335i-Timeslip-9852.html