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Old Jan 15, 2008 | 05:23 PM
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I would like to start a thread on fuel econemy...

Basically i'm a Brit and currently the price of fuel here is around £103.9 per litre - which is a lot...

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For journeys trundling back and forth to work which is the more ecomical setting W or S? Also does it make a difference...

And secondly,

Are there any aftermarket parts which one can fit to a car that will actually increase mpg?

I had something called an ecotec on an old 328i which tbh I'm not sure worked as it was always on the car, but I did *feel* better for knowing it was there :-)

Opinions on this topic would be greatly received and I'm sure all of us wouldn't mind extra mpg??

Thanks and regards to fellow C AMGers!!
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Old Jan 15, 2008 | 06:12 PM
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Hello,
w setting is winter mode and it starts you of in 2nd gear instead of 1st to limit the possibility of wheel spin, s is normal or summer mode .
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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 04:53 AM
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w setting is winter mode and it starts you of in 2nd gear instead of 1st to limit the possibility of wheel spin, s is normal or summer mode .
Thanks for your reply but is that the only difference between the two?

And again techinically is then W mode and starting off in second worse for the mpg - I can think of arguments on both sides tbh


Thanks!
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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 08:06 AM
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After reading the owner's manual and past discussions on this subject here on these boards that is the only difference that I'm aware of. As far as fuel economy goes the deeper into the throttle the more fuel you use, also if you start of in 1st and let it shift on it's own you will get the best fuel milage.
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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 10:58 AM
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If you are concern about fuel economy be easy on the throttle and DON'T mod your car. Don't get a sprint booster either; you'll need to learn how to drive the car again to not kill your MPGs.

For some reason, I get worst mpg in W mode than in S (assuming being equal in the throttle). Maybe it's my driving style but I think it takes the car more effort in W mode.
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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 10:59 AM
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I say "S" is best too for fuel mileage....starting in second is only good to help prevent wheel spin in slippery conditions. I notice my gas mileage worse when I drive in "W".
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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 11:21 AM
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Agree on the "don't mod" comment. When I added a pulley my average milege dropped about 3mpg. I was getting around 21mpg. When I added the pulley it dropped to about 18mpg. Could all be due to the way I drive the car now. Although I think I am over the initial fun phase so maybe it did go down for real.

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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 11:41 AM
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I think that the fuel milage went down due to the crap that they add to the fuel for the winter.
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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 11:55 AM
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I did get a little worse MPGs after the stage 1 but hey more power means excepting the loose....all high horsepower cars are not to great with MPGs anyway so be glad this car does better.....
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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 12:55 PM
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good thread

i was about to start one myself.

the gas used in winter is oxygenated meaning ethanol is added which yeilds less BTUs (energy) per volume so car do get worse gas consumption.

in my experience the speed you drive at is very important - i get about 26-27 mpg at 55 mph, dropping to 21-22 at 70. drag increases disproportionately with increasing speed i forget if it exponentially or logaritmically.

now my car is fully modded but i don't think this affects mileage once you stay out of supercharger activation. (no lead foot).

my sl55 intake and plugs help my gas mileage a bit......plusg- don't laff i use splitfire platiniums. they work great, i've used them for years in lots of cars. i like the electrode design i think it physically allows more spark kernel.

heavy large diameter rims will hurt mileage as would wide tires.

how about you guys check see what you're getting- level road and different speeds? i use the odo reset i assume it's fairly accurate.
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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by AWDman
i was about to start one myself.

the gas used in winter is oxygenated meaning ethanol is added which yeilds less BTUs (energy) per volume so car do get worse gas consumption.

in my experience the speed you drive at is very important - i get about 26-27 mpg at 55 mph, dropping to 21-22 at 70. drag increases disproportionately with increasing speed i forget if it exponentially or logaritmically.

now my car is fully modded but i don't think this affects mileage once you stay out of supercharger activation. (no lead foot).

my sl55 intake and plugs help my gas mileage a bit......plusg- don't laff i use splitfire platiniums. they work great, i've used them for years in lots of cars. i like the electrode design i think it physically allows more spark kernel.

heavy large diameter rims will hurt mileage as would wide tires.

how about you guys check see what you're getting- level road and different speeds? i use the odo reset i assume it's fairly accurate.
Interesting post AWDman. So what you are saying is even at Stage 2 you can get +25 mpg by cruising at 55 mph w/o engaging the SC (<2,900 rpm). I'm going to give that a try. My rims are RT Monolite 18s. They're supposely one of the lightest rims available for the W203.

I need to change my plugs to see how the car behaves.

A new fuel filter might also improve your MPGs.
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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by RobertG
I think that the fuel milage went down due to the crap that they add to the fuel for the winter.
True. In the US they add up to 10% Ethanol to the gas which will decrease the MPG since Ethanol doesn't have the same energy-per-unit as petroleum. Not sure if they add Ethanol to gas in the UK?
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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 03:03 PM
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So its bad enough we pay 3+ a gallon it also doesn't help with what they add thus forcing us to run out faster...what a country we live in.
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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 03:09 PM
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It's probably not the fuel that is effecting my mileage. I live in S. Florida so I'm pretty sure we get the same stuff year round. I do average 70+ on most of my drive. If I drive around 60 or so and reset the computer it shows that I could probably get around 24-25mpg.

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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 03:13 PM
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True. In the US they add up to 10% Ethanol to the gas which will decrease the MPG since Ethanol doesn't have the same energy-per-unit as petroleum. Not sure if they add Ethanol to gas in the UK?
Keep in mind that Ethanol also makes you run a little leaner, as you need TWICE as much ethanol as gasoline. Translation, you get the half the milage from a gallon of Ethanol as you would gasoline. But it is also a CHEAP octane booster, which is why Sunoco swears by it, and posts it on their pumps.

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PS: Back in the 80's I use to add 1 gallon of ethanol to 10 gallons of premium for the race car, again CHEAP octane booster. 10% is about all the higher you want to go with on the street, before water problems/corrosion/and lean outs will occur.
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Originally Posted by chuckactor
It's probably not the fuel that is effecting my mileage. I live in S. Florida so I'm pretty sure we get the same stuff year round. I do average 70+ on most of my drive. If I drive around 60 or so and reset the computer it shows that I could probably get around 24-25mpg.

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When I wasn't modded I only managed 23s on the highway 16s on the street now I manage 15-16 streets and 22 highway....but last time on highway it showed 17 maybe it is the feul but then again I was rushing 70+ coming home.
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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by chuckactor
It's probably not the fuel that is effecting my mileage. I live in S. Florida so I'm pretty sure we get the same stuff year round. I do average 70+ on most of my drive. If I drive around 60 or so and reset the computer it shows that I could probably get around 24-25mpg.

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When I bought my toy in St louis, I drove home doing about 75 and was rewarded with 25.6mpg. Life time for 19,000 miles the car reads 17.6. At the track I was getting 7.2. I'll let you know waht the pully did this spring as snow has her garage kept

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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 04:34 PM
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Thanks for your reply but is that the only difference between the two?

And again techinically is then W mode and starting off in second worse for the mpg - I can think of arguments on both sides tbh


Thanks!
Other than starting off in 2nd gear, there is another difference with W (or C) mode compared to S mode. In W (or C) mode, the upshifts will happen sooner at lower rpm's, and the shift speed is also slightly slower. This definitely happens in the newer C55 transmission, but I'm pretty sure it applies to the C32 unit as well.

In my C55, the best fuel economy happens in C mode, mainly because the car short shifts automatically to keep the rpm's down (which means using less fuel). But the most important factor really is driving without a lead foot. There is so much low rpm torque in our cars that I rarely have to rev above 2500 rpm's to move around in the city and keep up with the general flow of traffic. Try that, and I guarantee your fuel consumption will improve.
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oh yeah i leave in W when i knew the wife was driving it. she had a heavy foot and i would curse when she pulled off with a cold motor. so W for her- 2nd gear.

fuel consumption gets better and better slower you go but heck i cant drive 45 mph.
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Originally Posted by ///AMG4EVER
Interesting post AWDman. So what you are saying is even at Stage 2 you can get +25 mpg by cruising at 55 mph w/o engaging the SC (<2,900 rpm). I'm going to give that a try. My rims are RT Monolite 18s. They're supposely one of the lightest rims available for the W203.

I need to change my plugs to see how the car behaves.

A new fuel filter might also improve your MPGs.
try the splitfire platinums you may be suprised. i just pulled mine for inspection dunno 30K miles and 10+ track days and they were fine.

yeah the monolites are good.

now the c32 will never be an economy car but compared to the c63 or m3 we will get better consumption. just have to stay out of s/c engagement. ell,
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Thanks for all your replies guys - I'm gonna stick on S unless it's properly Winter I guess.

Also some good points by all - and I know we don't drive economical cars, kinda an either or thing - but it's good to know we have quite some performance there when we want it!!!

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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 07:15 AM
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Just another question on this...

Have any of you guys noticed when you turn off the engine the fuel needle is at wherever on the scale and then after a while you get back in the car and start it up the fuel needle is quite a bit lower???

Or is my car hemorrhaging petrol?

I've checked under the car when I reverse and can't see much but it's raining all the time here at this time of the year so is hard to tell properly?

Thanks!!!
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Originally Posted by TKDNick
Just another question on this...

Have any of you guys noticed when you turn off the engine the fuel needle is at wherever on the scale and then after a while you get back in the car and start it up the fuel needle is quite a bit lower???

Or is my car hemorrhaging petrol?

I've checked under the car when I reverse and can't see much but it's raining all the time here at this time of the year so is hard to tell properly?

Thanks!!!
Mine does it too! I brought it to the attention to the service manager at the stealership who claimed that it must be a faulty bob for the measurement of gas in the tank. it was replaced. problem not solved. but yes, my car ALWAYS does that, though i do have a lead foot

pre-sprintbooster: city ~17
post-sprintbooster: city ~16
SB w/ pulley: city ~ 14.5

like i said, my foot = lead
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I did a 1000km trip last week and returned 10.3l/100km approx 23mpgUS or 28mpgUK this was with the cruise control set at 115kmh 73mph, with the occasional overtaking to 200kmh 125mph, IMO this is fantastic milage from a car with the performance of the C32
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I did a 1000km trip last week and returned 10.3l/100km approx 23mpgUS or 28mpgUK this was with the cruise control set at 115kmh 73mph, with the occasional overtaking to 200kmh 125mph, IMO this is fantastic milage from a car with the performance of the C32

damm thats good im lucky if i get 15 mpg and im stock but i drive it like i stole it.
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