ProjectC55

I went thru the drag times briefly but not thouroughly.

I'm looking for the fastest C32 and it's trap speed included. Over on Bimmerforums it looks like they are starting to get a few E36 M3's(lightened a whole lot that is) running mid to low 12's at over 110mph

This entices me to purchase and build a C32 forget an E55K.

ProjectC55

I could Kleemanize my C43 but I'm weighing price vs buying and modding a C32 vs kleemanizing my C43. Note: My C43 has a 5.5l motor.

I know Ahmad (Blackbenzz)has his W208 CLK55 running 10.78 at 127mph on 93 octane pump gas also via Kleeman parts.

Which way do I go is the question?

Purchase and mod a C32(sell the C43 of course) or Kleemanize my C43/55?

PS NOTE:
I've got some mouth's to shut up on the Bimmer side.

Here is the egghead that did it. He is a friend of mine but has mouth for days.
He has thoroughly motivated me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sExH1...layer_embedded

I decided to be fair and not involve the talon.

dkflipse

Damn. What kind of mods does he have?

ProjectC55

The car has been made light as hell.

He has head work,Schrick or Sunbelt cams,lightened clutch and flywheel,Activeautowerke 3" exh,Ivey tune,light weight rims with DR's,racing seats and deleted interior parts. Light weight hood and trunk. I know the mechanic and he's damn good. So far he's built three mid to low E36 M3's that I know.

This cat was motivated by the flogging I put on his car one day and just went nutz.

We ran again after all his mods and with two people in the car in Mexico,too my suprise he was right there with me way up there in triple digit speeds. Now I just reserve everything to the track where it's safe. no more ignorance on my part.


I like the c32 and I'd like to run this car vs my C43 or a C32 with full interior.

Here's another:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF-ui...e=channel_page

ProjectC55

Here r his mods quote:
"I have every bolt on part possible. AA Headers, AA full race exhaust, 24lbs injectors, big bore throttle body, Schrick cams and intake manifold. Oh and AEM. Thanks for your interest. " Delroy
Not to mentioned that he lightened the devil out of his car.
Nice.

jturkel

Jake (loungn14) has the fastest C32. He basically has all the common stuff (pulley, intake, tune, h/e) and all the non common stuff (nitrous, headers, and a CryO2 kit). he hasnt touched heads or cam to my knowledge. i believe he ran a low 12 at 116 on heavy 19's....a while ago before he added some new stuff

loungn14

I should be in the 11's at the end of the month....



I tend to shut up the bimmer guys all the time.....its fun.

moosejaw

really?I'll stay tuned!

FrankW

depends on what kind of stuff he took out from his car. with those mods which is similar to one of my friend's ODB1 which is easier to mod my friend made around 235rwhp without the injector. It was no 12 second car tho. LOL

IMO if they need to strip the car out and run on drag radials...might as well dedicate a car for drag racing use.

for your cars, I would just kleemannize the 202. i mean for $4-5k you get some 550-600 hp instead of spending another $20k+ including mods for a C32 to get 440hp.

TemjinX2

i agree just supercharge your 5.4L motor. You should hit 450-500whp. Unless you want to do a R &D on a turbo conversion for us..

ProjectC55

That was my point to this braggart.

When his car was FINALLY able to keep up with mines in Mexico believe me I was surprised. I even gave him his props. However I mentioned to him about how undrivable his car was with all the mods and weight loss and how he spent 1000's to make it run with my car. His car is faster than mine in the 1/4 mile as well but upstairs he finally can pull on me but very very slowly. However I was still impressed. I guess the AEM ECU he has and the ccustom tune definitely does not hurt at all. So I give him props. His car does run good regardless.

I can still drive my car hard or drive it civil without worrying about braking things ,plus my wife and I can enjoy the car on long rides.
He still would hear none of it!

Anyway with all the $ he spent I would have went F/I.


He wanted to hear none of it!

Well Frank and TemjinX,I appreciate the input. Kleemanizing my car would be the option then Thanks to the others here as well.

Next thing this maniac is going to tell me is that he kept his car N/A.

I'd rather keep my A/C,radio and everything else so F/I it will be.

NitrogenBalance

Supercharged 5.5L or a supercharged 3.2L...you ok Carl?

Same motor design basically with 2 cylinders cut off. It would be similar to putting the 4.3 back into your car, would seem like stepping backwards. Considering either would be under boost.

Throw a kleemann blower on the 5.5L(which you already have in your driveway) and one would hope you'll run the 11.5's that Benzmac did with that exact same setup....

Just throw some PSI on that thing and you'll prove your point.

ProjectC55

Hurry up I'd love to see.

Why was I thinking someone ran 11's already?

Anyway keep us up to date. These 135i's and 335i's are really putting down some power as well. Almost thought about looking into a 135i at one point but I have to much things going on to start financing one of these and modding it.

No such worries as guys here have stated with my C43. making payments that is.


Imagine if I were to gut out my C43, I think NOT!

ProjectC55

Nitro!

Silence is usually the one that gets me going on that,that's why I go thru that whole diatribe

But yea,I nust confess I think about it bro!

Yep Benzmac,Hooleyboy ,Blackbenzzzz (W208CLK55k),you and Silence are an inspiration and all five of you have done a fantastic job.

I commend your hard wrk and the success u r having with your F/I C43.

NitrogenBalance

I think about picking up a 5.5 block probably as much as you think about picking up a supercharger

In other words...both need to be done!

ProjectC55

You'll never regret it!!!
you night have to chg your blower size thought like E55cent said if you go 5.5L though. DO IT bro!!! Guess I'm speaking to myself as well.

I'm dying to see the progress on a C32 by the brethren here as well with their C32's.

Newzchspy

FWIW, I am not that impressed with the E36 and here's why. I ran a 12.7 at almost 110 with stock Pirelli PS II's on a 80 degree day with poor DA's and the only Mods I have were the LET tubed intake, Code III pulley and a LET tune. Thats it. My car is an oversteering heavy pig with no lightening at all. So for him to run a 110 qtr at 12.6 with ALL those mods is not that impressive. Jake's car, whom I have raced many times, would dust that Beemer.

ProjectC55

In one sense if the car was running F/I I can agree but remeber:


E36 M3 240hp stck

C32= F/I stck 349hp

F/I makes a BIG difference and u need to take that into account. C32 is not running these times without F/I. Sans C320 and others with a N/A 3.2 M112 motor. Have you seen what a F/I E36 can run? Many run 11's turbocharged at over 120mph + with the same motor. S/C 12's just like a C32.

I believe cars with the new MB 3.5LV6(SLK350) have the potential to run 12's N/A in the lighter bodies if the mods were available.


To me it is impressive for a N/A car to run those times. The builders of these cars plan to have the E36's they own run 11's at over 112mph without F/I.

dkflipse

The time is impressive for NA. Those must be some magical cams? I had the AA SC and catless exhaust on my E36 and never ran those kind of times. Maybe I'm underestimating the disadvantage of weight.

ProjectC55

GOTO bimmerforums.com and look in the drag racing section and you will find(and I was surprised as well) the E36 M3 N/A's LTW of course with plenty of hard parts running these 12 second times. Looks like the AEM ECU with it's stand alone tunability helps these cars quite a bit. I know it works wonders in my Talon and Delroy's E36 M3,I could imagine this ECU being placed in a C32.

c32used

Ultimately I believe it will cost you more to buy and mod a C32 when you will save tons SC your C43 5.5L biggest problem I foresee is if it hasn't been done before you may run into issues like Hooleyboy did but I believe as long as you have the right workforce you will be ok...Jake(loungn14) is current fastest in the C32 dragtimes quartermile..I'm glad I was present(I think) I am hoping to join the elite times myself this month at US41....stay tuned

JG26_Irish

If you start with a car the has a power to weight ratio of say 10 lbs/hp which is pretty close to what a C32 is stock and reduce the weight by say 300 lbs, the accelleration and thus 1/4 mile times will improve by approximately the same amount as if you increased the hp by 30 hp. That is about the same as reducing the fuel load from full to half a tank, taking out the spare tire and making your brother-in-law get out and watch from the pit wall, lol. Cutting the weight can have an impressive impact if you can drop it by say 800 lbs but to get there takes both big $'s and lots of extreme alterations.

Just note that topend speed is purely driven by drag and horsepower so, lightening a car will do nothing to improve the top speed. It also is less help on top end accelleration where the car's weight change makes less of an impact as drag transitions to become the limiting factor. However, light weight is a huge help off the line and in the first couple of gears and if you can gain even a second lead on a guy early, that is worth about 160 ft lead on the big end. Thus a car that is quick off the line will appear to be stronger even if it is accellerating slower on topend. It is weird but true. You can even see this with the video of the M3 racing the Corvette. He was strong off the line and appears to be walking away on topend.

Irish

ProjectC55

I would more be following the route of Blackbenzz with the reliable Kleemann system vs going with the trial and error stck eaton blower that MB makes which hooleyboy put on his car. Yea I think he (Hooleyboy)spent a TON of $$ where as with the Kleemann everything has already been tried and tested.

Newzchspy

Yes Vic , you will, with ME driving your car!!!

Newzchspy

You know the old adage, every 100 lbs less drops the qtr mile 1/10th. This is old drag racing lore of course, BUT lose 100 lbs your self and see how you feel!!!