the wallet wont be letting me jump on these anytime soon.
Official C55 Long tube Header release.
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Official C55 Long tube Header release.
The header aspect of the project is complete! My last dyno run for on 100+ degree days showed a 19whp gain over my last shorty style headers
For the Boosted guys: it showed almost a 2psi loss of boost (monitored from the tapped surge tank) while still picking up power! Today I was showing 108 degrees and my IAT's were showing 104 degrees. Less boost = less heat = more power with these headers.
The delay in the release of the headers was due to cost issues. I did my best to hammer down the price
Price is set at $3490
Hiflow 200 cell cat with tig welded flanges $550
Please allow 2.5 weeks for shipment, based on the first few sets. PM me if you are interested
For the Boosted guys: it showed almost a 2psi loss of boost (monitored from the tapped surge tank) while still picking up power! Today I was showing 108 degrees and my IAT's were showing 104 degrees. Less boost = less heat = more power with these headers.
The delay in the release of the headers was due to cost issues. I did my best to hammer down the price
Price is set at $3490
Hiflow 200 cell cat with tig welded flanges $550
Please allow 2.5 weeks for shipment, based on the first few sets. PM me if you are interested
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Dude I almost pissed my paints with the "Typing with one hand" comment LOL
Let me note a Local Mercedes header competitor, "Floored Fab" Charges $2500 for Mild steel long tubes. That results in about $100 worth of material in them our headers have over $1500 worth of materiel welding rod and Argon Gas.
Let me note a Local Mercedes header competitor, "Floored Fab" Charges $2500 for Mild steel long tubes. That results in about $100 worth of material in them our headers have over $1500 worth of materiel welding rod and Argon Gas.
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I hear ya on the price. I really did the best I could to keep it as low as possible without making them out of lesser grade materiel. Their is nothing I can do for set labor rates.
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Why not also offer the header in mild steel with a ceramic coating? While stainless is beautiful and ultimately the best material, the price is prohibitive for 95% of the people out there, especially in this economy. Not quite as sexy, but if the performance is the same and opens your product up to a larger audience (while maintaining quality), it's a smart business decision.
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I got some headers in the works for you C32 guys. Talking to my fabricator tomorrow about it. They just might be the most killer set of C32 headers known to man.
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Why not also offer the header in mild steel with a ceramic coating? While stainless is beautiful and ultimately the best material, the price is prohibitive for 95% of the people out there, especially in this economy. Not quite as sexy, but if the performance is the same and opens your product up to a larger audience (while maintaining quality), it's a smart business decision.
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stainless steel will not rust, which is caused by oxidation. the secret of preventing oxidation caused by oxygen is to provide a layer of protection between the exposed material and the air. This could mean a wax or polyurethane coating on a car, a layer of paint on metal objects or a quick spray of an anti-oxidant, like lemon juice, on exposed fruit (you've all seen what apples look like when they are left out too long). Destructive oxidation cannot occur if the oxygen cannot penetrate a surface to reach the free radicals it craves. Stainless steel doesn't rust and ordinary steel (mile steel) does. The stainless steel has a thin coating of another metal which does not contain free radicals. Regular steel may be painted for protection against oxidation, but oxygen can still exploit any opening, no matter how small. This is why you may find a painted metal bicycle still damaged by rust.
Furthermore, stainless steel is more durable with the high temps. mild steel headers can lead to leaks as the mild steel will not hold up as well with such hot temps
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hooleyboy/MBH, these look great - as others have mentioned, the most challenging aspect to selling them will likely be the price point. Dedicated racers persuing that elusive last tenth might ****** 'em up, but cruisers would likely choose a less-expensive alternative, since there are similar products that cost comfortably less than half as much (Kleemann et. al.)
Question/observation - IMHO, the exhaust flanges on our cars (M112 or M113 engine variants) are pretty beefy... as such, anytime I've seen a "failed header" or "cracked header" pic, it's always been of a runner tube, not a flange. Has anyone seen or experienced a flange failure? If not, I'd think the raw material used in the flange (in this case, type of SS) could be a spot to save money - but you're taking the polar opposite approach here.
Would it be difficult to crunch the numbers for what a full 304 set would cost? Or 321 runners with 304 flanges, or all 321, etc.? If possible, the ability to somewhat tailor the materials used to the customer's preference/budget might be a nice differentiator for you vs. what else is available in the marketplace - food for thought.
Question/observation - IMHO, the exhaust flanges on our cars (M112 or M113 engine variants) are pretty beefy... as such, anytime I've seen a "failed header" or "cracked header" pic, it's always been of a runner tube, not a flange. Has anyone seen or experienced a flange failure? If not, I'd think the raw material used in the flange (in this case, type of SS) could be a spot to save money - but you're taking the polar opposite approach here.
Would it be difficult to crunch the numbers for what a full 304 set would cost? Or 321 runners with 304 flanges, or all 321, etc.? If possible, the ability to somewhat tailor the materials used to the customer's preference/budget might be a nice differentiator for you vs. what else is available in the marketplace - food for thought.
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stainless steel is more durable. it has a much longer lifetime, which is why companies like borla will give you a million mile guarantee on them.
stainless steel will not rust, which is caused by oxidation. the secret of preventing oxidation caused by oxygen is to provide a layer of protection between the exposed material and the air. This could mean a wax or polyurethane coating on a car, a layer of paint on metal objects or a quick spray of an anti-oxidant, like lemon juice, on exposed fruit (you've all seen what apples look like when they are left out too long). Destructive oxidation cannot occur if the oxygen cannot penetrate a surface to reach the free radicals it craves. Stainless steel doesn't rust and ordinary steel (mile steel) does. The stainless steel has a thin coating of another metal which does not contain free radicals. Regular steel may be painted for protection against oxidation, but oxygen can still exploit any opening, no matter how small. This is why you may find a painted metal bicycle still damaged by rust.
Furthermore, stainless steel is more durable with the high temps. mild steel headers can lead to leaks as the mild steel will not hold up as well with such hot temps
stainless steel will not rust, which is caused by oxidation. the secret of preventing oxidation caused by oxygen is to provide a layer of protection between the exposed material and the air. This could mean a wax or polyurethane coating on a car, a layer of paint on metal objects or a quick spray of an anti-oxidant, like lemon juice, on exposed fruit (you've all seen what apples look like when they are left out too long). Destructive oxidation cannot occur if the oxygen cannot penetrate a surface to reach the free radicals it craves. Stainless steel doesn't rust and ordinary steel (mile steel) does. The stainless steel has a thin coating of another metal which does not contain free radicals. Regular steel may be painted for protection against oxidation, but oxygen can still exploit any opening, no matter how small. This is why you may find a painted metal bicycle still damaged by rust.
Furthermore, stainless steel is more durable with the high temps. mild steel headers can lead to leaks as the mild steel will not hold up as well with such hot temps
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Wow. They look great. Nice work.
If they would fit my CLK55, I don't think I can justify investing over 25% of what I paid for the car in headers.
I wish these things were cheap to mod like my Firehawk. Can get a set of long tubes for 400 dollars or stainless for about a g note. Gotta pay to play for sure.
If they would fit my CLK55, I don't think I can justify investing over 25% of what I paid for the car in headers.
I wish these things were cheap to mod like my Firehawk. Can get a set of long tubes for 400 dollars or stainless for about a g note. Gotta pay to play for sure.
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Why not also offer the header in mild steel with a ceramic coating? While stainless is beautiful and ultimately the best material, the price is prohibitive for 95% of the people out there, especially in this economy. Not quite as sexy, but if the performance is the same and opens your product up to a larger audience (while maintaining quality), it's a smart business decision.
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To put it politely.... Mild steel is crap. If you drive a mercedes you should definitely NOT be cutting any corners, especially when it comes to top materials. A good set of stainless steel headers will last the life of the vehicle. You'd be lucky if a set of mild steel (coated) headers lasted 2 years without rusting or cracking (most don't even last that long). No coating can truly protect against rust, oxidation never sleeps. Its not a question of will they rust, only a question of when.
If most people realized just how important top quality materials & production techniques were they would realize this is an absolute bargain. If Renntech or kleemann were able to produce headers of these quality they would probably retail for $5000+ (assuming they could even replicate this kind of quality). Don't let the price of cheaper mild steel headers fool you, you will end up having to replace them soon anyways so might as well save that money and put it towards a set of stainless steel headers.
These are a huge bargain in my book, they definitely get my approval. Great job hooley. Keep the innovative products coming.
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Unless you're saying those existing products from top-tier MB tuning firms are significantly lower quality...?
MBH, sorry for the off-topic commentary.
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Absolutley awesome!! Worth every penny of the price, you get what you pay for. Keep up the top-notch work, its worth your hard work. We need a performance company exactly like yours for mercedes benz's. Absolute perfection for fine cars, such as MB AMG's. I wish you the best and much success with MBH motorsports.
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Honestly I wish I new, but I dont have a stock C55. Right now i wish i did...in some aspects. I would bet 25-30whp over stock. A shorty header I had before made 12whp.
I sold my last exhaust system headers and all to a member who had a bone stock C55 and the total system made 20whp. Not bad if you ask me. I'm now making about 19whp more over my last setup.
I sold my last exhaust system headers and all to a member who had a bone stock C55 and the total system made 20whp. Not bad if you ask me. I'm now making about 19whp more over my last setup.
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