My C55 vs new M3
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Correct me if i'm wrong, but the new M3s can fit a substantially larger rear tire vs our pathetic 255s(discounting rolling fenders/rubbing with 265s)
that and their far superior tranny will allow the to put better power down off the line
that and their far superior tranny will allow the to put better power down off the line
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Cylinders/valves 8/4
Capacity in ccm 3,999
Stroke/bore in mm 75.2/92.0
Max. output in kW (hp) at 1/min 309 (420)/8,300
Max. torque in Nm at 1/min 400/3,900
Power-to-weight ratio (EU) in kg/hp 4.0 (4.0)
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per http://www.m3forum.com/
"Supreme performance ensured by 309 kW/420 hp from 4.0 litres.
Maximum torque of 400 Newton-metres (295 lb-ft) at 3, 900 rpm, 85 per cent of maximum torque over a speed range of 6,500 rpm."
"Supreme performance ensured by 309 kW/420 hp from 4.0 litres.
Maximum torque of 400 Newton-metres (295 lb-ft) at 3, 900 rpm, 85 per cent of maximum torque over a speed range of 6,500 rpm."
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oh I never read numbers beyond what they posted them as. I didn't realize they played with them like that. I thought these M3s were keeping up with C63s didn't realize they were so weak. Good to know now I need to learn the conversion in case they post them differently like that.
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oh I never read numbers beyond what they posted them as. I didn't realize they played with them like that. I thought these M3s were keeping up with C63s didn't realize they were so weak. Good to know now I need to learn the conversion in case they post them differently like that.
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A few people have it backwards, torque plays even more of a factor from a roll (hence why NA 55 AMGs can take down M3s at speed). Torque is king in the straights, its actually a disadvantage from a stand still due to wheel spin (unless you can get full traction off the line). M3s are also extremely aggressively geared (b/c of their high redline they can be), as a result at low speeds they get moving down the road real quick, launch control helps in that regard as well. However, once the cars are moving... that advantage no longer exists, then its just straight line torque that wins at higher speeds. On a race track different story, but in straight line AMG def has advantage from roll (I'd know) 
. Surprisingly even vs. DSG no speed was lost between gears against the M3. It was relatively close but AMG won once speeds started to increase.
There's no replacement for displacement...
. Surprisingly even vs. DSG no speed was lost between gears against the M3. It was relatively close but AMG won once speeds started to increase. There's no replacement for displacement...
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i still think the m3 should've won unless it was a manual and the guy couldn't drive. The c55 should have the m3 off the line but then the m3 should slowly walk it as it plays catch up. The more aggressive gearing and higher rev's has the m3 in its favor in higher speeds.
Keep in mind the gears multiples the tq you put to the ground. Lower tq engines generally compensate with more aggressive gears.
I really doubt a stock c55 would be able to beat a e92 m3 in a quarter or higher speed roll. Given equal drivers.
I just wanted to say that before the BMW fan boys come in here and flame the op, like in the c32 vs m5 thread.
Keep in mind the gears multiples the tq you put to the ground. Lower tq engines generally compensate with more aggressive gears.
I really doubt a stock c55 would be able to beat a e92 m3 in a quarter or higher speed roll. Given equal drivers.
I just wanted to say that before the BMW fan boys come in here and flame the op, like in the c32 vs m5 thread.
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a quarter mile at a time
Engine torque ratings mean nothing. You do realize the torque from your engine is multiplied by your gearbox and final drive ratio, then applied to the ground right? Come on guys, stock for stock a E92 M3 will walk a C32/C55. Quit dreaming.
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a quarter mile at a time
Here, I'll make it easy for you guys:
C55 AMG
363hp/376lb-ft @ 4000rpm
3,605lbs
9.93lbs/hp
Fastest stock time on dragtimes: 13.2s @ 107.3mph
E92 M3
414hp/296lb-ft tq
3,704lbs
8.9lbs/hp
Fastest stock time on dragtimes: 12.510s @ 114.8mph
C55 AMG
363hp/376lb-ft @ 4000rpm
3,605lbs
9.93lbs/hp
Fastest stock time on dragtimes: 13.2s @ 107.3mph
E92 M3
414hp/296lb-ft tq
3,704lbs
8.9lbs/hp
Fastest stock time on dragtimes: 12.510s @ 114.8mph
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Looking at acceleration times from a standing start, where the M3 can have the advantage of launching the car at high rpm's, is not a best judge of what can happen when one starts racing from a roll.
Although I personally have no experience with regards to "racing" a E9X M3 from a roll or from a standing start, I suspect that the rolling race is the one situation where the C55 has a CHANCE of keeping up for a short distance (or possibly have a slight edge if the race is short enough, especially if the M3 driver is not in the optimal gear). Don't get me wrong, eventually, the E9X M3 will pull away easily without a doubt given the higher HP as the race goes on, but that initial start from a roll is where the C55 could possibly shine.
We all know the C55 gets killed by a properly driven and launched E9X M3 from a standing start (0-60, 0-100, 1/4 mile, etc, etc). However, what happens when there is no launch at high rpm for the E9X M3?
Car and Driver is the only North America magazine which formally times rolling starts:
C55/E92 M3 with M-DCT
5-60mph: 4.9/4.8
30-50mph: 2.5/2.4
50-70mph: 3.2/3.2
The C55 can possibly keep up initially (likely because of that superior torque), although the M3 will almost certainly pull away as the race goes on. If the M3 driver is not in his optimal gear, it is possible for the C55 to pull ahead early on in a rolling race.
This is in keeping with what I have seen when tracking and powering out of corners when following E92 M3's (which is the closest thing to a "rolling race" I have ever experienced).
Although I personally have no experience with regards to "racing" a E9X M3 from a roll or from a standing start, I suspect that the rolling race is the one situation where the C55 has a CHANCE of keeping up for a short distance (or possibly have a slight edge if the race is short enough, especially if the M3 driver is not in the optimal gear). Don't get me wrong, eventually, the E9X M3 will pull away easily without a doubt given the higher HP as the race goes on, but that initial start from a roll is where the C55 could possibly shine.
We all know the C55 gets killed by a properly driven and launched E9X M3 from a standing start (0-60, 0-100, 1/4 mile, etc, etc). However, what happens when there is no launch at high rpm for the E9X M3?
Car and Driver is the only North America magazine which formally times rolling starts:
C55/E92 M3 with M-DCT
5-60mph: 4.9/4.8
30-50mph: 2.5/2.4
50-70mph: 3.2/3.2
The C55 can possibly keep up initially (likely because of that superior torque), although the M3 will almost certainly pull away as the race goes on. If the M3 driver is not in his optimal gear, it is possible for the C55 to pull ahead early on in a rolling race.
This is in keeping with what I have seen when tracking and powering out of corners when following E92 M3's (which is the closest thing to a "rolling race" I have ever experienced).
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a quarter mile at a time
Looking at acceleration times from a standing start, where the M3 can have the advantage of launching the car at high rpm's, is not a best judge of what can happen when one starts racing from a roll.
Although I personally have no experience with regards to "racing" a E9X M3 from a roll or from a standing start, I suspect that the rolling race is the one situation where the C55 has a CHANCE of keeping up for a short distance (or possibly have a slight edge if the race is short enough, especially if the M3 driver is not in the optimal gear). Don't get me wrong, eventually, the E9X M3 will pull away easily without a doubt given the higher HP as the race goes on, but that initial start from a roll is where the C55 could possibly shine.
We all know the C55 gets killed by a properly driven and launched E9X M3 from a standing start (0-60, 0-100, 1/4 mile, etc, etc). However, what happens when there is no launch at high rpm for the E9X M3?
Car and Driver is the only North America magazine which formally times rolling starts:
C55/E92 M3 with M-DCT
5-60mph: 4.9/4.8
30-50mph: 2.5/2.4
50-70mph: 3.2/3.2
The C55 can possibly keep up initially (likely because of that superior torque), although the M3 will almost certainly pull away as the race goes on. If the M3 driver is not in his optimal gear, it is possible for the C55 to pull ahead early on in a rolling race.
This is in keeping with what I have seen when tracking and powering out of corners when following E92 M3's (which is the closest thing to a "rolling race" I have ever experienced).
Although I personally have no experience with regards to "racing" a E9X M3 from a roll or from a standing start, I suspect that the rolling race is the one situation where the C55 has a CHANCE of keeping up for a short distance (or possibly have a slight edge if the race is short enough, especially if the M3 driver is not in the optimal gear). Don't get me wrong, eventually, the E9X M3 will pull away easily without a doubt given the higher HP as the race goes on, but that initial start from a roll is where the C55 could possibly shine.
We all know the C55 gets killed by a properly driven and launched E9X M3 from a standing start (0-60, 0-100, 1/4 mile, etc, etc). However, what happens when there is no launch at high rpm for the E9X M3?
Car and Driver is the only North America magazine which formally times rolling starts:
C55/E92 M3 with M-DCT
5-60mph: 4.9/4.8
30-50mph: 2.5/2.4
50-70mph: 3.2/3.2
The C55 can possibly keep up initially (likely because of that superior torque), although the M3 will almost certainly pull away as the race goes on. If the M3 driver is not in his optimal gear, it is possible for the C55 to pull ahead early on in a rolling race.
This is in keeping with what I have seen when tracking and powering out of corners when following E92 M3's (which is the closest thing to a "rolling race" I have ever experienced).
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so 337/345 at the wheels with 3600 pounds vs 340/250 with 3700 pounds?
I'm pretty sure a well modded C32 or a ecu/header C55 could keep up, if not beat a m3 on a roll. I never said smoke or easily walk one, but beat it.
