austinholloman

S600 is ABC not airmatic and it cost even more to repair and fails just as often. I really would consider and S, CL, or SL if they didn't have Airmatic and ABC...

austinholloman

I think they LOOK factory but I don't remember seeing them on any other S600's are an option. I could be wrong though, S-Class hasnt ever really been my thing.

MIKESV8

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/2143532798.html
i'd personally rather have this over the 600 any day, but that's my opinion.

Newzchspy

Very true AH and even worse, I've been told that no one is offering Ext warranty for V-12 TT or any other V-12 MBs now!! Between engine repairs and "air-matic", the costs are tremendous...................

MRAMG1

WRONG

Easycare will cover ANY v-12 and it does NOT cost an arm and a leg. GUESS how I know

Guys, I have to ask the underlying question. Are you trying to talk yourself out of an V-12, or are you jealous that you don't have one

I only ask, as I have done EVERYTHING under the sun in my C32 and my S600 and the final cost of ownership has been the same.

I know, I know I am lucky

And that will also buy you a cup of coffee under the bridge

As I have stated both are wonderful vehicles, and yes I do miss the nimbleness of the C.

But when all is said and done, I am sorry to say that I would NOT go back to it.

Reality, YES the V-12 costs more to fix than V-6. WHY, oh let me guess "There are twice as many moving parts"

Some of this BS is reminding of the M3 boards that they claim they are more pleased with their M3's than an M5 and wouldn't change.

Yeah, I'll bite on that one

Again, both are GREAT cars, and just about everyone here I respect and value your friendship. Lets just leave it at that guys and enjoy both cars, okay

Dingleberry

well you know what they say about opinions...

gt4awd

Has anyone modified the v12 twin turbo? I'm wondering what output the engine is capable of. I would assume a lot more is available for the v8 kompressor. I'm not thinking about selling the C32. I was just surprised to see the v12 twin turbo engine in an s class going for $20,000.

MIKESV8

+1 on the modifying a v-8 kompressor part, but as dingleberry said, that's still my (our) opinion. easier to work on too maybe would be my educated guess.

FrankW

the S-class and the CL has always been the worst in depreciation amongst all MBs. first year you'll lose half of it's original value. the 7er and the A8 is about the same thing. the A8 actually retain it's value better in comparison.

c32AMG-DTM

Well, since no one else is offering... I'll step forward and say that I'm jealous.

But, at least I own an AMG...

FrankW

the w220...not so much... w221 then yes (after driving dad's friend's S550)...but then again I don't like how big cars drive because the way i drive. mid-size to the E and the 5 is as far as i would go. just me anyway.

i don't think anyone here would pass the chance to have a S600 over a C32/55/43. if you tell me i can have a S600 over a C32 i'd say hell yea, but the 103k miles on the car OP posted doesn't seem very appealing.

anyone who takes the M3 over the M5 is an idiot. just imo. lol

austinholloman

Than im an idiot because I would take the C63 over the E63 because the E is too big for my liking. Just like I went looking all over the USA for a C43 and there were plenty of E55's here in Texas, still too big. 2010 M3 over a 2010 M5 any day of the week. The M5 is now looking pretty dated and the M3 has new tech in it and to me just looks better and once again, the M5 is too big. The S600 is a huge lux cruiser, not a sports car in anyway really. Sure you can tune it and change the ABC settings but still, its not a C55 same years. Maybe its faster but it still looks like a limo and I would love to drive one on a huge road trip but everyday? No thanks. You can get a lot more power out of the S600 but the tranny will become the issue once the torque numbers starts to rise... The S55 V8k has the same potential the E55 has. Same M113K engine. Yes you can get a warranty on the V12TT and it will cover everything and that is great and all but its still two totally different cars.

FrankW

this is OT, but there's absolutely nothing in the M3 that the M5 doesn't have. The only thing that is different is the SMG vs DSG.

I actually parked my 204 next to the 212 E350 today and the 204 is not that much smaller in reality in exterior dimension and it is actually taller than the 212.

but i can understand some people likes to drive sportier cars. for me tho, since i'm used to driving a e39 528 in our family and have driven e60 535. the size of the 5 and the E is still in my willing to accept range. lol

austinholloman

I let a few girls in my family drive my w210 and I though I was going to loose mirrors but the w202, they don't have any issues at all. I feel like the w203 is much smaller than a w211 also but ive never owned a w211, I have driven them though and they do feel bigger. The newer tech comment I meant that car is still a new design not matter how you look at it. Yes they updated the idrive in the M5 and M6 for 2009 but the M3 is still a newer idea all around and newer car and in 2008 the M3 was ahead of the M5 and M6 with the new iDrive already running.

MIKESV8

these are all opinions, but i'd much rather have a 11' E63 than a 11' c63 just because the new style is amazing. size difference...idk i've never auto x'd before but the s class is just way too much. i'm young (very young) and big cars do not appeal to me one bit, except for the maybach 57s or 62s.

austinholloman

Well in 2012 the C63 with be revised, the new int looks fantastic too and the 2012 E63 will not. Either way, the E-Class in not as nimble or fast in a str8 line and cost more. Its all what your into.


My point was:

Not every person that buys a C63 wishes they could have had the E63 and not every E63 owner wishes they could have had a S63. When people say things like that, it almost infers that just because its bigger and cost more that its better but to some, they could afford the larger or new car just fine but for them and their personal style, the "lesser car" fits just right.

MIKESV8

so the rumors are true huh? they are facelifting the c63 (w204 in general right?)

austinholloman

Based on these id say yes, this new interior is simply amazing.

MIKESV8

i've seen that exterior in a pic. before, but that interior is indeed stunning! they're finally taking away that cheapo looking pop up display.

austinholloman

To get back to the OP. The black S600 I listed looks very clean http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2003-...item53e57120d6 and the mileage is freaking amazing. Buy it, let Jerry tune it and get the extended warranty for around $5k that cover the entire engine and the turbos and bam! Post us some amazing dyno video and 1/4 miles times.

austinholloman

And yes, thank god. Also did away with those awful radio buttons! Also looks to be getting the MTC from the E63 if you look closely.

MIKESV8

oh yea i see it. it looks great! looks like the s class and e class amg mixed almost.

FrankW

nah, my friend and his gf had the 2007 e92 335i and then 2008 e92 M3 and now 2010 e90 M3, and 2008 e90 335i to 2009 e90 335i m-tech. bmw didn't update the idrive until the 2009 models all around. i used both and i actually prefer the older one with only one knob (looks cleaner). Lemon Law paid through their change of cars...lmao...

when i drove the e60 535i my friend got as a loaner. i drove it for like 3 days...i didn't feel it being bigger than my 204 at all other than you can feel the extra weight a little bit when tossing it around the corners, but overall the 5 feels much more balanced compare to the 204.

change it coming for the 3 btw...spy photo are already out.

rode in my other buddy's F10 535i the other day feels tighter than the e60, but not a big fan of the new "sportier" look on the F10.

yea, the facelift 204 is making me feel like an idiot for picking up the 08 when the 09 was out...lol (it's like a smack in the face from MB telling u that "yes we know the 204 interior was fugly) but i still can't get over the fact that the C63 weights over 4100lb with a driver and it understeer or oversteer like mad compare to the M3 that doesn't and the IS-F that doesn't either. especially you just can't figure out where that weight is coming from since the M156 actually does not weight more than the M113 and AMG made the C55 beautifully in terms of handling compared to the e46 M3.

FrankW

there's a active member here that has a S600 that did the AMG brakes and exhaust on his as well as lowered it and tuned it. forgot his username tho.

the V12 TT is much more capable than the v8 kompressor. The engine is not bogged down by the supercharger. turbo cars doesn't have the parasitic lost of power like the supercharger does.

MRAMG1

Wrong, the tranny is BULLETPROOF and used in the Bentleys. You will not hurt the tranny one bit when modified. Again, ask me how I know

The Bigger issue is the rear diff when you add boost. Several people on this board have broken diffs with elevated boost and drag radials, which is why I will NEVER try DR's on my toy. One gentlemen even broke his diff on an S65 stock, but on DR's.

Besides there is a sensor on the tranny that when it sees too much torque, aka twist on the output shaft it goes into neutral. A good tuner CAN turn this off, but I elected to leave it on, call it self preservation if you wish.

And YES, me and MANY others with modified 600's know this issue quite well. In cold weather with good atmospheric conditions, it is easy to activate this sensor, as the tranny goes into neutral and you have to shut the car off and restart to get it back into drive.

A VERY small price to pay for the extra ability to play, SAFELY, IMHO.

As far as the OP with a 100K car, YES I would shy away from it even IF you had the service history. But then again, I would not buy ANY German car with 100K on the speedo. But then again that is just me.

The part about the limo, well to each his own, but the S600 with the AMG looks package is one GREAT looking car IMHO. Again, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and is VERY speculative in each and everyone of us.

Again guys they are all GREAT cars, and yes C32AMG-DTM, it is NOT an AMG, but it sure is fun at the local cruises and drags.

Have fun guys, and stay safe out there.