C32 AMG Electromagnetic Clutch/Charger Shaft Health?
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C32 AMG Electromagnetic Clutch/Charger Shaft Health?
Hi guys,
Though I am new to this wonderful forum, I am definitely not new to the car scene. With that said, before you guys flame me, I have done a lot of searching and reading on the whole topic of the C32 AMG Supercharger; Electromagnetic Clutch; Charger Shaft; Supercharger pulley; and other pulleys...
Though I have read a ton and subscribed to a few good threads on this topic, I still have a specific question that I could not really find good posts/answers on.
The deal: Here is what unfortunately happened to my Eurocharged C32 AMG 61mm Supercharger Pulley with ECU and TCU Tune.
Note: I am not flaming Eurocharged.
Took it apart...
The situation: I have two very small not deep at all indents on the Charger Shaft which I think is not that big of a deal, what do you all think?
The damaged parts...
But the purpose of this thread is that I have this slight play left and right in the Charger Shaft with this slight noise as witnessed in the following video, and best heard in the very last 10 seconds.
And a second better video with the camera stationary.
Is this okay? Is this still healthy? Am I good to put on the new replacement supercharger pulley?
Though I am new to this wonderful forum, I am definitely not new to the car scene. With that said, before you guys flame me, I have done a lot of searching and reading on the whole topic of the C32 AMG Supercharger; Electromagnetic Clutch; Charger Shaft; Supercharger pulley; and other pulleys...
Though I have read a ton and subscribed to a few good threads on this topic, I still have a specific question that I could not really find good posts/answers on.
The deal: Here is what unfortunately happened to my Eurocharged C32 AMG 61mm Supercharger Pulley with ECU and TCU Tune.
Note: I am not flaming Eurocharged.
Took it apart...
The situation: I have two very small not deep at all indents on the Charger Shaft which I think is not that big of a deal, what do you all think?
The damaged parts...
But the purpose of this thread is that I have this slight play left and right in the Charger Shaft with this slight noise as witnessed in the following video, and best heard in the very last 10 seconds.
And a second better video with the camera stationary.
Is this okay? Is this still healthy? Am I good to put on the new replacement supercharger pulley?
Last edited by clp86rom; Aug 10, 2013 at 08:42 PM.
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I would say that the two notches on the shaft are fine. The issues is the play in the shaft itself. I replaced my supercharger when it developed play like this. I think you are risking things flying all over and causing damage. At the least you may get the supercharger to the point where it would be impossible to rebuild.
Tell us more about what happened to the SC pulley. Are you sure it is a 65mm and not a 61mm pulley?
Tell us more about what happened to the SC pulley. Are you sure it is a 65mm and not a 61mm pulley?
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I would say that the two notches on the shaft are fine. The issues is the play in the shaft itself. I replaced my supercharger when it developed play like this. I think you are risking things flying all over and causing damage. At the least you may get the supercharger to the point where it would be impossible to rebuild.
Tell us more about what happened to the SC pulley. Are you sure it is a 65mm and not a 61mm pulley?
Tell us more about what happened to the SC pulley. Are you sure it is a 65mm and not a 61mm pulley?
And yes, it is a 61mm SC pulley. My apologies, I made the proper changes.
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I am sure Eurocharged has more R&D to back up the aluminum choice, and maybe it was just something with my setup being defective on why it went all wrong.
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^ That breakage appears to be simple instance of metallurgical failure.
Each groove in our pulley is a naturally occurring stress riser, and yours happened to give up the ghost
Have you contacted its vendor source a ‘goodwill’ replacement?
Each groove in our pulley is a naturally occurring stress riser, and yours happened to give up the ghost
Have you contacted its vendor source a ‘goodwill’ replacement?
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Super Charger Sound w/ video help
So the above thread is one of the many that I found to be extremely useful for my specific situation. Reading this thread makes me wondering if my Supercharger couplers are bad, and if my Supercharger needs a rebuild? Can anyone confirm this? Or can anyone suggest any other ways to diagnose the health of the Supercharger and its internals?
I would like to make sure everything with the Supercharger is fine before I put all the new replacement parts back on to start driving the car again.
So the above thread is one of the many that I found to be extremely useful for my specific situation. Reading this thread makes me wondering if my Supercharger couplers are bad, and if my Supercharger needs a rebuild? Can anyone confirm this? Or can anyone suggest any other ways to diagnose the health of the Supercharger and its internals?
I would like to make sure everything with the Supercharger is fine before I put all the new replacement parts back on to start driving the car again.
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Super Charger Sound w/ video help
So the above thread is one of the many that I found to be extremely useful for my specific situation. Reading this thread makes me wondering if my Supercharger couplers are bad, and if my Supercharger needs a rebuild? Can anyone confirm this? Or can anyone suggest any other ways to diagnose the health of the Supercharger and its internals?
I would like to make sure everything with the Supercharger is fine before I put all the new replacement parts back on to start driving the car again.
So the above thread is one of the many that I found to be extremely useful for my specific situation. Reading this thread makes me wondering if my Supercharger couplers are bad, and if my Supercharger needs a rebuild? Can anyone confirm this? Or can anyone suggest any other ways to diagnose the health of the Supercharger and its internals?
I would like to make sure everything with the Supercharger is fine before I put all the new replacement parts back on to start driving the car again.
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I think the 2 lines on the supercharger shaft was caused by the pulley coming apart and 2 of the threads rubbing on it caused the two grooves, it looks likely to me that the threads would line up with the grooves , as far as repairing it, the 2 grooves will be sitting under the bearing and should not pose any problems since the bearing is not spinning on it,, just my mechanical interp.
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SC pulley
When I changed my bearing on my SC pulley I did have play in my SC shaft also, I left it alone but I did change the SC fluid while I had a good view of the plug, been 12000 miles and all is still good, and I'm running a 181 CP...
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The fact that this is a 61mm pulley is very important. What I see from your pictures is that you where using what appears to be OEM shims. Did they fit inside the pulley touching the bearing or were they too big to fit inside? If the shims where not resting on the bearing, this should have caused strain on the pulley that could have resulted in this kind of failure. I hope EC have an opinion on this. Here is a picture of the OEM pulley and the 61mm pulley. See below how the 611mm pulley bearing is covered by the pulley itself while the OEM pulley has the bearing exposed.
A bad SC coupler is what I was referring to earlier. Need to find a source of the internal parts for a rebuild myself. For now using the spare SC.
A bad SC coupler is what I was referring to earlier. Need to find a source of the internal parts for a rebuild myself. For now using the spare SC.
As you can see from the pictures, my unit has this washer on the inside of the pulley where the bearing sits on (as seen in picture #1), than in the 4th and 5th picture you can see that the shim does sit on the bearing itself.
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Note: I did update my first post with more pictures and a second better video showcasing the shaft play.
I assume buying a new supercharger unit from Mercedes Benz is just not logical as it will most likely cost thousands of dollars but has anyone ever rebuilt their unit? And if so, what are good shops/companies that rebuild our units? And, can they be found used but rebuilt for a decent price?
I assume buying a new supercharger unit from Mercedes Benz is just not logical as it will most likely cost thousands of dollars but has anyone ever rebuilt their unit? And if so, what are good shops/companies that rebuild our units? And, can they be found used but rebuilt for a decent price?
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Indeed...
Not the first one to go.
I have done some measurements on different manufacturers SC pulleys vs stock and the one using different bearing actually meets the specifications for the belt and the others do not.
The pulley sold as 62 mm meets the specs while the one sold as 61 does not.
Also aluminum is not good for high temperature applications. So you can make your own conclusions on what happened with the OPs pulley.
Not the first one to go.
I have done some measurements on different manufacturers SC pulleys vs stock and the one using different bearing actually meets the specifications for the belt and the others do not.
The pulley sold as 62 mm meets the specs while the one sold as 61 does not.
Also aluminum is not good for high temperature applications. So you can make your own conclusions on what happened with the OPs pulley.
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Indeed...
Not the first one to go.
I have done some measurements on different manufacturers SC pulleys vs stock and the one using different bearing actually meets the specifications for the belt and the others do not.
The pulley sold as 62 mm meets the specs while the one sold as 61 does not.
Also aluminum is not good for high temperature applications. So you can make your own conclusions on what happened with the OPs pulley.
Not the first one to go.
I have done some measurements on different manufacturers SC pulleys vs stock and the one using different bearing actually meets the specifications for the belt and the others do not.
The pulley sold as 62 mm meets the specs while the one sold as 61 does not.
Also aluminum is not good for high temperature applications. So you can make your own conclusions on what happened with the OPs pulley.
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I'm surprised Eurocharged hasn't made as statement about this, especially because it is not the first reported failure of this type.
Makes me hesitant to purchase an aftermarket supercharger pulley.
Makes me hesitant to purchase an aftermarket supercharger pulley.
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Buy 65 mm (stock bearing) or 62 (non-stock bearing) mm pulley that is not made of aluminum.
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Take a look at the angels and depth of the grooves and compare them to the belt / stock pulley.
Jerry from Eurocharged has previously stated that they have an internal system for customer support issues so that's why they do not comment on forums. If you have questions ask directly from Eurocharged.
Buy 65 mm (stock bearing) or 62 (non-stock bearing) mm pulley that is not made of aluminum.
Jerry from Eurocharged has previously stated that they have an internal system for customer support issues so that's why they do not comment on forums. If you have questions ask directly from Eurocharged.
Buy 65 mm (stock bearing) or 62 (non-stock bearing) mm pulley that is not made of aluminum.
Any known source for the 62mm pulley?
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Pansu was experimenting with a custom pulley and if I recall correctly he decided that 66.4 mm was the lowest safe point for the stock bearing. We actually discussed about using a different bearing on our national forum (december 2011) and there were the candidates:
32 x 47 x 18 NACHI 32BG04S5G
32 x 47 x 18 JHB AC324718
32 x 52 x 20 KML AC325220/18
32 x 47 x 18 NSKF NAC324718
And for the 62 mm "Karmen" pulley they ended up with the 32 x 47 x 18 with a metallic spacer.
62 mm is made of steel and the one I have is very good quality. On crossfire forum nickname rcompart was selling these. I know he is also in mbworld but don't remember his nick.
Check out this link
This is the exact same 62 mm that I have. The picture does not show a spacer that goes between the bearing and the washer.
32 x 47 x 18 NACHI 32BG04S5G
32 x 47 x 18 JHB AC324718
32 x 52 x 20 KML AC325220/18
32 x 47 x 18 NSKF NAC324718
And for the 62 mm "Karmen" pulley they ended up with the 32 x 47 x 18 with a metallic spacer.
62 mm is made of steel and the one I have is very good quality. On crossfire forum nickname rcompart was selling these. I know he is also in mbworld but don't remember his nick.
Check out this link
This is the exact same 62 mm that I have. The picture does not show a spacer that goes between the bearing and the washer.
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Pansu was experimenting with a custom pulley and if I recall correctly he decided that 66.4 mm was the lowest safe point for the stock bearing. We actually discussed about using a different bearing on our national forum (december 2011) and there were the candidates:
32 x 47 x 18 NACHI 32BG04S5G
32 x 47 x 18 JHB AC324718
32 x 52 x 20 KML AC325220/18
32 x 47 x 18 NSKF NAC324718
And for the 62 mm "Karmen" pulley they ended up with the 32 x 47 x 18 with a metallic spacer.
62 mm is made of steel and the one I have is very good quality. On crossfire forum nickname rcompart was selling these. I know he is also in mbworld but don't remember his nick.
Check out this link
This is the exact same 62 mm that I have. The picture does not show a spacer that goes between the bearing and the washer.
32 x 47 x 18 NACHI 32BG04S5G
32 x 47 x 18 JHB AC324718
32 x 52 x 20 KML AC325220/18
32 x 47 x 18 NSKF NAC324718
And for the 62 mm "Karmen" pulley they ended up with the 32 x 47 x 18 with a metallic spacer.
62 mm is made of steel and the one I have is very good quality. On crossfire forum nickname rcompart was selling these. I know he is also in mbworld but don't remember his nick.
Check out this link
This is the exact same 62 mm that I have. The picture does not show a spacer that goes between the bearing and the washer.
I spoke with Rudy (Rcompart) and he doesn't have any more pulleys. I have the link that you have provided but for now I'm somewhat hesitant to buy a pulley from the Sawing Machines section of a web site.
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The material used in the pulley (aluminum) and the thickness (or lack of it) were the reasons that caused this pulley to crack. I have been running 65 mm Eurocharged pulley (steel) for about 6000 km and that has been alright. So, 65 mm made out of steel or 62 mm would be safe in my opinion. Forget about aluminum.
Ok, how about the 61 mm made from steel? I think it could work but still the thickness for long term use is not enough. These are only my opinions and you can freely disagree.
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Not worried about providing thoughts and feedback on public forums. I wish more people would do that. For good and bad experiences.
The material used in the pulley (aluminum) and the thickness (or lack of it) were the reasons that caused this pulley to crack. I have been running 65 mm Eurocharged pulley (steel) for about 6000 km and that has been alright. So, 65 mm made out of steel or 62 mm would be safe in my opinion. Forget about aluminum.
Ok, how about the 61 mm made from steel? I think it could work but still the thickness for long term use is not enough. These are only my opinions and you can freely disagree.
The material used in the pulley (aluminum) and the thickness (or lack of it) were the reasons that caused this pulley to crack. I have been running 65 mm Eurocharged pulley (steel) for about 6000 km and that has been alright. So, 65 mm made out of steel or 62 mm would be safe in my opinion. Forget about aluminum.
Ok, how about the 61 mm made from steel? I think it could work but still the thickness for long term use is not enough. These are only my opinions and you can freely disagree.
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I think it's the second batch but I'm not sure. It was purchased on 6/14/2012. I'll contact EC regarding this issue tomorrow. I'm not worried about EC. I have known Jerry since his days with LET and he always (at least for me) stood behind his products.
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