Car won't crank up and I already changed the CPS...
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Car won't crank up and I already changed the CPS...
My C43 is doing the old "I'm not going to start until I feel like it" trick. I already replaced my CPS but still have the issue. No stalling issues just crank up issues. Any ideas? Thanks guys.
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If it cranks and won't start intermitanly, but once running it won't stall then the common culprit is the camshaft position sensor.
Mounts on the front of the RH cylinder head, along the centerline of the camshaft.
So easy to change it make the CPS look like a *^%$!
Mounts on the front of the RH cylinder head, along the centerline of the camshaft.
So easy to change it make the CPS look like a *^%$!
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Update
We changed the Crank and Cam position sensors with no change, also have tried 2 different keys, still the same problem. Next try is going to be checking out relays...
Anyone else have any suggestions?
Anyone else have any suggestions?
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codes? Does it crank and turn over as it should?Or is it cranking slow?
Have you checked your coolant temp sensor,if faulty it will not send the proper signal to the ecu so it can modify the fuel requirements.You have done the other likely suspects and if it is cranking good but not starting that could be the problem.
Have you checked your coolant temp sensor,if faulty it will not send the proper signal to the ecu so it can modify the fuel requirements.You have done the other likely suspects and if it is cranking good but not starting that could be the problem.
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All the codes are happy
Will check coolant temp sensor- seems fine though.
I do have an erratic fuel level sensor, sometimes it works fine, sometimes not at all, or it will give me an empty tank w/warning light even though the tank is full.
I think I read once this could be related to the neutral safety switch, it seems at this point like its something like an intermittent relay...
Today I just saw that the coating on the drivers side outside mirror has gone liquid and splashed streaks onto the driver's door, and they don't just wipe off....
Will check coolant temp sensor- seems fine though.
I do have an erratic fuel level sensor, sometimes it works fine, sometimes not at all, or it will give me an empty tank w/warning light even though the tank is full.
I think I read once this could be related to the neutral safety switch, it seems at this point like its something like an intermittent relay...
Today I just saw that the coating on the drivers side outside mirror has gone liquid and splashed streaks onto the driver's door, and they don't just wipe off....
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and it would not turn over at all.So what is it doing when you turn the key?Cranking but not starting?not cranking at times at all?
Mirror goo will take some ammonia to clean off and then since it will remove all the wax,you will need to get a light compound,polish the area and apply new wax.Those filled mirrors are something aren't they200 bucks autohausaz
go to one of our members sites www.everythingbenz.com and search auto dimming or amber side mirror.You will find an r/r I think.
wd40 is another good goo remover and it is gentle on the paint.When done and dry you might want to clay bar and lube the area to get off any stubborn residue.
Mirror goo will take some ammonia to clean off and then since it will remove all the wax,you will need to get a light compound,polish the area and apply new wax.Those filled mirrors are something aren't they
200 bucks autohausazgo to one of our members sites www.everythingbenz.com and search auto dimming or amber side mirror.You will find an r/r I think.
wd40 is another good goo remover and it is gentle on the paint.When done and dry you might want to clay bar and lube the area to get off any stubborn residue.
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What happens is, it will partially turn over, then stop cranking.
Eventually it will start, sometimes after 2or 3 tries, sometimes 10 tries, always the same thing-
1-turn the key,
2-all dash lights come on as normal,
3-Turn key to crank position, and very short, partial turn over, then nothing.
I've experimented with trying to start in neutral, does not seem to make a consistent difference.
Does not seem to matter if the weather is hot or cold, if the engine is hot or cold, and it does not do it all the time. Sometimes, I just get in the car and it starts right up (like a normal car!) regardless of wether the car has been sitting or if I had just turned it off to refuel or get a Coke at the convenience store.
Thanks a bunch for the tips and the parts vendor!
I've tried a bunch of cleaners this morning without any luck- headed outside right now to try some WD 40 or ammonia.
Eventually it will start, sometimes after 2or 3 tries, sometimes 10 tries, always the same thing-
1-turn the key,
2-all dash lights come on as normal,
3-Turn key to crank position, and very short, partial turn over, then nothing.
I've experimented with trying to start in neutral, does not seem to make a consistent difference.
Does not seem to matter if the weather is hot or cold, if the engine is hot or cold, and it does not do it all the time. Sometimes, I just get in the car and it starts right up (like a normal car!) regardless of wether the car has been sitting or if I had just turned it off to refuel or get a Coke at the convenience store.
Thanks a bunch for the tips and the parts vendor!
I've tried a bunch of cleaners this morning without any luck- headed outside right now to try some WD 40 or ammonia.
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I'm curious to see what the cause of your starting problem is. My 99 CLK430 is having the same issue. Turn the key and it gets starter engagement for a split second then nothing. (sounds like engine turns 1/8-1/4 revolution and starter lost signal to keep turning until start-up) Some days it will do this every time I go to start it and other days it'll never happen..........
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What happens is, it will partially turn over, then stop cranking.
Eventually it will start, sometimes after 2or 3 tries, sometimes 10 tries, always the same thing-
1-turn the key,
2-all dash lights come on as normal,
3-Turn key to crank position, and very short, partial turn over, then nothing.
I've experimented with trying to start in neutral, does not seem to make a consistent difference.
Does not seem to matter if the weather is hot or cold, if the engine is hot or cold, and it does not do it all the time. Sometimes, I just get in the car and it starts right up (like a normal car!) regardless of wether the car has been sitting or if I had just turned it off to refuel or get a Coke at the convenience store.
Thanks a bunch for the tips and the parts vendor!
I've tried a bunch of cleaners this morning without any luck- headed outside right now to try some WD 40 or ammonia.
Eventually it will start, sometimes after 2or 3 tries, sometimes 10 tries, always the same thing-
1-turn the key,
2-all dash lights come on as normal,
3-Turn key to crank position, and very short, partial turn over, then nothing.
I've experimented with trying to start in neutral, does not seem to make a consistent difference.
Does not seem to matter if the weather is hot or cold, if the engine is hot or cold, and it does not do it all the time. Sometimes, I just get in the car and it starts right up (like a normal car!) regardless of wether the car has been sitting or if I had just turned it off to refuel or get a Coke at the convenience store.
Thanks a bunch for the tips and the parts vendor!
I've tried a bunch of cleaners this morning without any luck- headed outside right now to try some WD 40 or ammonia.
Last edited by creekdog_A; Mar 3, 2008 at 02:57 PM.
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You could either access the flywheel teeth by taking out the rubber rectangle cover in the trans. bellhousing or removing the starter it doesn't matter you could access more teeth at the time by removing the starter.You will need to paste/lube all the teeth of the flywheel.Just don't apply too much paste/lube only a small amount is needed to cover the teeth dont fill the teeth gaps with it.Hope this helps your problem I have seen this happen several times to older model cars with m112 and m113 engines.Wait I forgot your driving a CLK(208) the left catalst pipe may be blocking access from the rubber rectangle on your car.You may have to either remove the left side small catalyst pipe or remove the starter it is up to you though.
Last edited by creekdog_A; Mar 4, 2008 at 02:35 PM.
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I have the same exact problem with my 99 C43, it's been doing that for over a year now and hasn't gotten any better/worse. Sometimes it starts first try, and sometimes it starts/stops a couple times. The only thing I have done is buy a new key, but no difference
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Try the repair I mentioned above in my post. If it spins but doesn't start could be another issue. MB has a special paste for this but you may be able to search for another source. I have only seen this issue on older model 112 and 113 engines I think they must have changed materials of the starter drive gear and flywheel.
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Just following up on this- I was finally able to find an independent dealer with the special grease. I gave them AUSMBtech's and Creekdog A's instructions, which my mechanic followed and now my car starts perfectly, every time.
Just a refresher- in my case the problem was NOT the Crank Position Sensor, it was the flywheel teeth needed proper grease.
Thank you again, AUSMBtech and Creekdog A!
Just a refresher- in my case the problem was NOT the Crank Position Sensor, it was the flywheel teeth needed proper grease.
Thank you again, AUSMBtech and Creekdog A!
Last edited by colt45; May 30, 2010 at 09:35 PM.
