SEE43AMG

Well the good news is I made it from Seattle to Scottsdale to my new job. Now the bad, I CHUNKED MY TRANNY!!!!!! Any help her would be helpful. Where to find a re-man, is used better financial sense and does the clk trans cross? I have pain. Two week with no solutions and I think the power of the people of this sight may be able to help. I am out of my element here. If I was looking for a Saleen trans or one for my built Mustang it would be no problem but I am not. I am humbled by this experience. Any words of wisdom here? And yes I should have changed the Damn fluid when I got to this higher temp climate!!!!!!!!! Oh and do I have to use MB trans fluid or is there better?

Thanks,

Mike D, AKA Suffering in Scottsdale.

SeeKlasse

mb trans fluid is safe. alot of people trust amsoil, both im sure are good options. as for your option, goto the dealer and pay 6k to have it repaired, or goto a good independent shop and pay 3-4k to get it fixed. or do it yourself and you can purchase a trans for 2500-3k....

good luck, ive already been through it... on my last c43.... i hope this current c43 doesnt curse me with the same fate as many of us have painfully experienced.

ohlord

if I would have known you were in SeattleIt was not the trip or the temp.It needed to be serviced at 40k and 80k with MB spec 722.6 fluid.
There is a good rebuilder in AZ.
What happened and what are the symptoms?
ohlord
6K at the dealer?that is the cost of the trans alone at the dealer.
Don't use amsoil don't use atf4 just use mb spec 722.6 or backwards compatible 722.9 fluid.

SEE43AMG

Yeah I run Amsoil in all my cars. This is a complicated box! It is a thing of beauty when it works but the reman kit is stupid expensive!!! The planetary gear alone will cost a small fortune! Im half temped to drop my Grand National motor and trans in it and put the MB motor in the 66 mustang project car I have planned but the damn brakes, traction control esc and everything is hooked to it!!!!!!!! Your right its time to just pay the 2200 bucks for the rebuilt box. I dun wanna though.

SEE43AMG

No $%$# Dick Tracy. IT WAS SERVICED AT 160k AND HAS 174 ON THE CLOCK! Im just venting. Typical audible noise in park and quiets when put in gear. It was just time I guess. Oh and I was from Lake Stevens. Grew up in MTLK Terrace.

ohlord

to have a factory in The terrace.
small world.
Any slipping?
ohlord

Dr. C36

back in the day I had my benz tranny serviced for $1000 total parts & labor and that included a 2 or 3 year warranty (I forget which). Tranny ran great after that, infact I even asked them to beef it up a bit .

SEE43AMG

No slipping at all. Thats the wierd thing. The factory in the Terrace. Dont understand.

ohlord

http://www.phoenixhardparts.com/inde...TS&Category=23
http://www.germantransmissions.com/sc5_mbz.asp
http://www.europeantransmissions.com...es.htm#C-Class
We had a food production factory in the early 90's in the Terrace.
ohlord

Dr. C36

you might as get it rebuilt by a transmission shop instead of getting a used tranny which could again fail in 10k or something. Any run of the mill transmission shop that is decently capable should be able to repair it for cheap, the old benz trannies aren't that complex. they may even be able to do a performance upgrade and improve the clutch packs as well as improve the valve body design. just a thought.

ohlord

transmission?He does not have the 4 speed that you have ,his is the 722.6 trans electronically controlled by the tcu and the ecu.Any old shop can not rebuild them.It takes special mercedes tools to do it correctly.

If no slipping we have had members that did a complete fluid and filter change with mb spec fluid and improved the condition of what they thought was a dead box.
Go get it diagnosed or put it on a scanner and look for pending power train codes pertaining to the transmission.
ohlord

suicidal4life

Theres always the VRP bullet trans package if your pockets are deep.

ohlord

trade it in and get the new C class black arrow

silence

figure out how to put a t56 in there and let me know?

Dr. C36

5 speed manual swap!!

might as well

silence

does a 5 or 6 speed swap necessitate/free one to go full standalone management? that is the big question

SeeKlasse

is a manual swap possible,relatively easy to do, or is there alot of custom work involved?

Dr. C36

no, you will get the Tranny warning light to come up but you can just eliminate the bulb in the instrument cluster. At least thats how easy it was on my E36 auto M3 when converting from auto to stick. Other then that it was relatively easy. I am assuming the TCU & ECU are seperate so it technically shouldn't be a problem, unless on the C43s its all in one unit. Even so it may still not pose a problem. honestly this is all speculation though, nobody knows until they try... simple as that

silence

the bmw comment although somewhat applicable really doesn't help-

I wonder if you can just unplug the transmission and see if it idles?

bagelsjustbagel

i know the older E55 amg with work without much needed modifcation (if any)

silence

how do you know this?

i don't mean to go way off topic- but i would be very interested in details. If i keep this car for a couple more years no doubt i'll want to do something along those lines (look at it now after 16 months of ownership_

-drew

SeeKlasse

haha, for sure! i know all of our cars have the groundwork present for a manul trans because alot of the euro versions came with manuals, so our chassis' are capabole of hosting manual transmissions... i rode in a 2002 S320 CDI in Amsterdam and this guy was rocking the 5 speed...

Dr. C36

i think anything up to 02 should be relatively easy, but after that the electronics got much more complex so it will be more difficult.

ohlord

Cars 98 up with the DAS and the 722.6 auto have the systems married to each other. You can swap in a new engine of the same year and model and get away with it.
Otherwise if you swapped in a manual it would leave out that part on the CAN BUS system and the DAS would not allow you to start the car and the ECU would not know what to do if you could figure out how to get it running.If you could find a factory car of the same year and model with a 5 speed manual you would need all of it's control unit for the manual transmission the ECU from the donor car,and the ignition and DAS module from the donor car.Plus all of the harness and probably a bunch of time on the SDS.
By that time you could have bought the Black Arrow
Then add in the fact that your rear gear ratio with the automatic is a 3.07 and first gear on the automatic is 3.59=TM of 11.02
take the few models of T56 trans that are capable of handling over 300 ft.lb.of torque in a 3600 lb car and most of them have a short 2.66 1st gear ratio
2.66*3.07=8.16 3 full points of multiplied torque is a huge drop,you would have to drop the clutch at 6500rpm to even get the car rolling and with 3600 lbs.to move the clutch would most likely fry.
without installing a 4.10 posi out of the old mustang or some 12 bolt 4.10 from an old chevy maybe a Quafe posi can be installed for 2grand plus labor and a taller MB final gear if they even go that high(4.10) or the car would become a gutless wonder.Hardly managing to get out of it's own way
Leave the T56 in the beater,The 5 speed in the diesel and dreams of an E55 engine on the drawing board The E55 engine will fit the chassis of the C43.I have a buddy that is installing an E55 engine into a 2001 E320 wagon like mine.However he has worked for Mercedes benz for 20 years,is a MB shop forman,Runs his own shop on the side,Hid dad was an MB parts manager for 40 years,he owns his own fully upgraded SDS machine and knows what it is capable of.
If you have all that at you disposal the swap is a piece of cake.If you have 4 grand to spend on the sound system(double din,nav,tv tuner,amp,subs,and back up camera,most likely money is not an issue
ohlord















3.59:1, 2.19:1, 1.41:1, 1.00:1, 0.83:1
final drive 3.07:1

fstshrk

The outer parts of the older (non-supercharged) E55 are the same as the C43. People have done this before (speedybenz comes to mind).

I would give up on the 5 speed conversion.