C43 '55' swap thread
#427
put a 5.4L engine ---> into a C43 car
who knows i might do this mod in the future if i find a suitable donor and if i can afford it?
I have to write down everything so I don't fogget important information for future purposes.
My question was:
Engines up to MY2000-06 ME2.0/EGS51 are they plug and play in C43,
parts between both engines are the same without swapping TB, engine harness and fuel injectors?
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00 C200 & 00 C55 & 06 SLK55
All 98-00 C43's, got the early version of ME2.0 with EGS51, even with tiptronic shifter,
you can swap any 5.0l/5.5l "CLK/E/S", from 98 to 2002, with TB/harness/injectors/sensors, or using your exist TB/harness/injectors/sensors,,
if you want to put Engine from "ML" or any Engines from 03-06, you will have to re-use your exist oil pan..![Smilie](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
ZAYED,,
you can swap any 5.0l/5.5l "CLK/E/S", from 98 to 2002, with TB/harness/injectors/sensors, or using your exist TB/harness/injectors/sensors,,
if you want to put Engine from "ML" or any Engines from 03-06, you will have to re-use your exist oil pan..
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ZAYED,,
#429
the engine has to come from an W210 E55 AMG or w220 S55 AMG.
engines from CLK and ML has down rated HP which is no fun.
All 98-00 C43's, got the early version of ME2.0 with EGS51 - TB/harness/injectors/sensors which is compatible with MY2000-05 E55 engines.
This is only install, no swapping parts between engines
engines from CLK and ML has down rated HP which is no fun.
All 98-00 C43's, got the early version of ME2.0 with EGS51 - TB/harness/injectors/sensors which is compatible with MY2000-05 E55 engines.
This is only install, no swapping parts between engines
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00 C200 & 00 C55 & 06 SLK55
I don't think ML or CLK got a less HP, all 5.5l sharing the same out-put power,
the difference between C/CL/CLK/E/ML/S, are ECU/TCU software, and drivetrain Ratio's,
you can use any Engines 98-2006 from any models, but you have to use your ECU/TCU to fire it up & matching your exist sensors order..!
ZAYED,,
the difference between C/CL/CLK/E/ML/S, are ECU/TCU software, and drivetrain Ratio's,
you can use any Engines 98-2006 from any models, but you have to use your ECU/TCU to fire it up & matching your exist sensors order..!
ZAYED,,
#431
I understand I can use an engine from various MY to mate this with my C43 ecu/tcu.
My question was:
If I find a donor engine from MY1998 to MY2000-06, from these MY engines I could DIRECTLY use their engine wireharness, fuel injectors and TB without having to take these parts from my C43 engine and putting them on the new 5.4L engine??
My C43 engine is a 1999 and the donor engines came from MY1998 to MY2000-05 they share the same ME2.0/EGS51 system with my C43.
If I find a MY 2000 engine then I want to use the hardware parts from 5.4L engine instead of using the C43 parts because they are 1 year newer and maybe updated on 5.4L engine:
TB - wireharness - fuel injectors must have the same plug connectors like my C43 which must be directly plug and play fitting engine into my car?
This is what I want to get confirmed?
I wouldn't buy an engine from 1998 because it's older than my car, it has to be at least an engine from 1999 -------->
When everything is put in place, then everything has to be reset to ZERO with STAR, drive the car to adapt every settings, check with STAR again for possible error codes, if no codes everything is OK?
there shouldn't be a problem if I chose not to re-flash my ECU with snake oil E55 software sold from shady tuning companies?
5.4L engine should work perfectly with C43 ECU, not getting lean A/F mixture, not getting rich A/F mixture?
ML/CLK had 347HP on paper because E/S-klasse was more luxurious.
I think MB downgraded ML/CLK a few HP for marketing purposes?
When dealership were selling these cars, customers might would have asked why does the E-klasse have the same HP like ML/CLK and both were probably were cheaper priced cars?
Customer would have bought the cheaper car getting the same HP, but I could be wrong?
I believe this was only a marketing thing to boost the E/S-klasse cars in the upper luxury class with other brands from Audi and BMW.
My question was:
If I find a donor engine from MY1998 to MY2000-06, from these MY engines I could DIRECTLY use their engine wireharness, fuel injectors and TB without having to take these parts from my C43 engine and putting them on the new 5.4L engine??
My C43 engine is a 1999 and the donor engines came from MY1998 to MY2000-05 they share the same ME2.0/EGS51 system with my C43.
If I find a MY 2000 engine then I want to use the hardware parts from 5.4L engine instead of using the C43 parts because they are 1 year newer and maybe updated on 5.4L engine:
TB - wireharness - fuel injectors must have the same plug connectors like my C43 which must be directly plug and play fitting engine into my car?
This is what I want to get confirmed?
I wouldn't buy an engine from 1998 because it's older than my car, it has to be at least an engine from 1999 -------->
When everything is put in place, then everything has to be reset to ZERO with STAR, drive the car to adapt every settings, check with STAR again for possible error codes, if no codes everything is OK?
there shouldn't be a problem if I chose not to re-flash my ECU with snake oil E55 software sold from shady tuning companies?
5.4L engine should work perfectly with C43 ECU, not getting lean A/F mixture, not getting rich A/F mixture?
ML/CLK had 347HP on paper because E/S-klasse was more luxurious.
I think MB downgraded ML/CLK a few HP for marketing purposes?
When dealership were selling these cars, customers might would have asked why does the E-klasse have the same HP like ML/CLK and both were probably were cheaper priced cars?
Customer would have bought the cheaper car getting the same HP, but I could be wrong?
I believe this was only a marketing thing to boost the E/S-klasse cars in the upper luxury class with other brands from Audi and BMW.
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00 C200 & 00 C55 & 06 SLK55
If you want directly Engine for you C43 with everything(TB/harness/injectors/sensors), you have only get Engines from (99 to 00),
if you go with (01 to 06) Engines, you can use injectors/sensors ONLY, can't use TB/harness, they are differ than yours,
you have to use STAR/SDS to see everything is OK, and ECU reading everything properly, drive the car a little bit, then use STAR/SDS again to confirm no any codes appears,
No need to flush or program the ECU, unless you want to tune it, it's a differ thing..!
it's not that difference between 347hp & 354hp, only for, as you said; just marketing & advertising..!!
ZAYED,,
if you go with (01 to 06) Engines, you can use injectors/sensors ONLY, can't use TB/harness, they are differ than yours,
you have to use STAR/SDS to see everything is OK, and ECU reading everything properly, drive the car a little bit, then use STAR/SDS again to confirm no any codes appears,
No need to flush or program the ECU, unless you want to tune it, it's a differ thing..!
it's not that difference between 347hp & 354hp, only for, as you said; just marketing & advertising..!!
ZAYED,,
#433
If you want directly Engine for you C43 with everything(TB/harness/injectors/sensors), you have only get Engines from (99 to 00),
if you go with (01 to 06) Engines, you can use injectors/sensors ONLY, can't use TB/harness, they are differ than yours,
you have to use STAR/SDS to see everything is OK, and ECU reading everything properly, drive the car a little bit, then use STAR/SDS again to confirm no any codes appears,
No need to flush or program the ECU, unless you want to tune it, it's a differ thing..!
it's not that difference between 347hp & 354hp, only for, as you said; just marketing & advertising..!!
ZAYED,,
if you go with (01 to 06) Engines, you can use injectors/sensors ONLY, can't use TB/harness, they are differ than yours,
you have to use STAR/SDS to see everything is OK, and ECU reading everything properly, drive the car a little bit, then use STAR/SDS again to confirm no any codes appears,
No need to flush or program the ECU, unless you want to tune it, it's a differ thing..!
it's not that difference between 347hp & 354hp, only for, as you said; just marketing & advertising..!!
ZAYED,,
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now you confirm the information I need!
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only to go with 99-00 engines for direct swap without taking parts from my 113944 engine fitting to 5.4L engine.
this is the easiest way to do the engine swap when both engine use same parts for TB/harness/injectors
thanks
#434
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If you want directly Engine for you C43 with everything(TB/harness/injectors/sensors), you have only get Engines from (99 to 00),
if you go with (01 to 06) Engines, you can use injectors/sensors ONLY, can't use TB/harness, they are differ than yours,
you have to use STAR/SDS to see everything is OK, and ECU reading everything properly, drive the car a little bit, then use STAR/SDS again to confirm no any codes appears,
No need to flush or program the ECU, unless you want to tune it, it's a differ thing..!
it's not that difference between 347hp & 354hp, only for, as you said; just marketing & advertising..!!
ZAYED,,
if you go with (01 to 06) Engines, you can use injectors/sensors ONLY, can't use TB/harness, they are differ than yours,
you have to use STAR/SDS to see everything is OK, and ECU reading everything properly, drive the car a little bit, then use STAR/SDS again to confirm no any codes appears,
No need to flush or program the ECU, unless you want to tune it, it's a differ thing..!
it's not that difference between 347hp & 354hp, only for, as you said; just marketing & advertising..!!
ZAYED,,
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It was in pretty good condition according to my friend who did the swap for me.
I replaced:
-rear main seal
-valve cover gaskets
-water pump
-thermostat
-belt tensioner
-sparkplugs
-oil pan had to be swapped of course
-c43 wiring harness had to be swapped
-oil cooler resealed
cant remember what else
I didnt go all out on it as you can see.
I should have done the timing chain because it sounds a bit loud and theres a slight knock at cold start up that goes away once the engine warms up a bit
I replaced:
-rear main seal
-valve cover gaskets
-water pump
-thermostat
-belt tensioner
-sparkplugs
-oil pan had to be swapped of course
-c43 wiring harness had to be swapped
-oil cooler resealed
cant remember what else
I didnt go all out on it as you can see.
I should have done the timing chain because it sounds a bit loud and theres a slight knock at cold start up that goes away once the engine warms up a bit
#445
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It was in pretty good condition according to my friend who did the swap for me.
I replaced:
-rear main seal
-valve cover gaskets
-water pump
-thermostat
-belt tensioner
-sparkplugs
-oil pan had to be swapped of course
-c43 wiring harness had to be swapped
-oil cooler resealed
cant remember what else
I didnt go all out on it as you can see.
I should have done the timing chain because it sounds a bit loud and theres a slight knock at cold start up that goes away once the engine warms up a bit
I replaced:
-rear main seal
-valve cover gaskets
-water pump
-thermostat
-belt tensioner
-sparkplugs
-oil pan had to be swapped of course
-c43 wiring harness had to be swapped
-oil cooler resealed
cant remember what else
I didnt go all out on it as you can see.
I should have done the timing chain because it sounds a bit loud and theres a slight knock at cold start up that goes away once the engine warms up a bit
![thumbs](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif)
#446
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Nope all stock for now. Cant wait to do something to it.
I want it to sound nice. I really dont know what to go with. I havent seen anything that sounds different. M113s soumd kinda old school imo
I want it more raspy.
Im just absorbing information for now since i cant afford any of the mods id want. Id want a nice set of custom cams just for the sake of changing the sound.
As of right now im not sure if its worth it....still reading on it and informing my self for now![Smilie](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
When is your motor going in?
I want it to sound nice. I really dont know what to go with. I havent seen anything that sounds different. M113s soumd kinda old school imo
I want it more raspy.
Im just absorbing information for now since i cant afford any of the mods id want. Id want a nice set of custom cams just for the sake of changing the sound.
As of right now im not sure if its worth it....still reading on it and informing my self for now
![Smilie](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
When is your motor going in?
#447
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Nope all stock for now. Cant wait to do something to it.
I want it to sound nice. I really dont know what to go with. I havent seen anything that sounds different. M113s soumd kinda old school imo
I want it more raspy.
Im just absorbing information for now since i cant afford any of the mods id want. Id want a nice set of custom cams just for the sake of changing the sound.
As of right now im not sure if its worth it....still reading on it and informing my self for now![Smilie](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
When is your motor going in?
I want it to sound nice. I really dont know what to go with. I havent seen anything that sounds different. M113s soumd kinda old school imo
I want it more raspy.
Im just absorbing information for now since i cant afford any of the mods id want. Id want a nice set of custom cams just for the sake of changing the sound.
As of right now im not sure if its worth it....still reading on it and informing my self for now
![Smilie](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
When is your motor going in?
#448
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Can anyone recommend the best way to remove the aforementioned freeze plug? Thx
#450
wud you say a w202 with an ML55 engine wud be faster and produce more turk than a w202 with an E55 engine?