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Old Nov 23, 2017 | 08:44 AM
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the 42 and 48 month lease on the c43 sedan is amazing right now... pm me if you want info and are local to the DC metro area (I have a white on red right now and can get others) or are willing to drive over
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Old Nov 27, 2017 | 12:43 PM
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Old Nov 27, 2017 | 01:41 PM
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i was given this over the phone from my dealer and I would like your feedback

2018 c43 sedan

car will be in production in 2/2018

msrp = 62000
negotiated price = 58128
incentive = 2000 off
tax = 9.25%
other fees = (dont know)
MF = 0.00065
residual = 60%
terms = 36 months/12k miles
down = 7k (with 10x 500 MSD's i think?)

monthly payment = 589

are these adding up right?
excellent MF is making up for the small discount, but overall great monthly payment

My MF is over .00100
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Old Nov 27, 2017 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by waywayhooray
i was given this over the phone from my dealer and I would like your feedback

2018 c43 sedan

car will be in production in 2/2018

msrp = 62000
negotiated price = 58128
incentive = 2000 off
tax = 9.25%
other fees = (dont know)
MF = 0.00065
residual = 60%
terms = 36 months/12k miles
down = 7k (with 10x 500 MSD's i think?)

monthly payment = 589

are these adding up right?
adding up or not, 17k wrapped up in a lease deal is insane. i would never even think to do that. take 17k off the 58k and buy the damn thing rather than giving your money away into a lease. with 17k down and a 60 month term you can have a $700 payment. so for $110 more a month you would own the car and not worry about milage. and yes you would be locked into the payment for another 2 years. but at least youll own something rather than **** your money away.

unless you can business expense it, these types of cars should be bought unless you could give a **** about money.
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Old Nov 27, 2017 | 02:43 PM
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Old Nov 28, 2017 | 01:26 PM
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I must have mis read. i thought you had 7k down and 10k in MSD.

either way at the end of that lease you will have spent 28k. thats half of the car. i dont understand why people just dont buy them.. if you need to have a brand new car all the time, its your money. but you are paying for it.
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Old Nov 28, 2017 | 02:23 PM
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Old Nov 28, 2017 | 03:05 PM
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the residual is 60% which is taken off the MSRP.

so youll be paying $37,200 plus any taxes or fees to buy out of lease.


on top of the 37,200 to buy out of lease youll have spend 7k down plus 589*36 months which is $28204.

Plus 3k tied up in MSD for 3 years.

so if you choose to buy the car out of the lease it would cost you 3k held up in MSD for 3 year in stead of earning 7%+ in a safe fund annually ($675 potential earnings) . and then $28204+$37200 =$65404

So if you choose to buy out of lease the total cost would be $66,079. vs if you just bought it straight up you would have it for your $58,128. I think you could negotaite harder to get 7% off. make it 57660. Either way buying out of the lease costs you $7951 more than if you were to buy it straight up.

Lets say you dont have all the cash now, I know i didnt want to fork over all the cash at once for mine. interest rates are stupid low right now. i got 1.49% from my local credit union. granted you need good credit but id hope if you are considering this level of car your ducks are in order. at 1.99% if you pay 10k down youll pay $2500 in interest to finance the car. Mercedes finance may even offer a better rate. This still puts you $5451 ahead over leasing and the biggest thing! You own the car. That means you can sell it and get some of your money back. Being a new car you are still taking a huge hit for depreciation (which is why I bought mine CPO with 1200 miles, new car, miss the depreciation hit). so any way you slice it, this is a lifestyle not a need. any ways, the dealer wants you to lease, they sell the car make their money and they get the car back to sell it after you just paid for all of their depreciation losses. I know when i bought mine they were saying the rates were too good not to lease.

The only reason IMO to lease is if you can make it a total business write off, which is hard to do unless its only used for work which i would guess it wont be only used for work.

hopefully this helps in your decision
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Old Nov 30, 2017 | 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Star4life
the residual is 60% which is taken off the MSRP.

so youll be paying $37,200 plus any taxes or fees to buy out of lease.


on top of the 37,200 to buy out of lease youll have spend 7k down plus 589*36 months which is $28204.

Plus 3k tied up in MSD for 3 years.

so if you choose to buy the car out of the lease it would cost you 3k held up in MSD for 3 year in stead of earning 7%+ in a safe fund annually ($675 potential earnings) . and then $28204+$37200 =$65404

So if you choose to buy out of lease the total cost would be $66,079. vs if you just bought it straight up you would have it for your $58,128. I think you could negotaite harder to get 7% off. make it 57660. Either way buying out of the lease costs you $7951 more than if you were to buy it straight up.

Lets say you dont have all the cash now, I know i didnt want to fork over all the cash at once for mine. interest rates are stupid low right now. i got 1.49% from my local credit union. granted you need good credit but id hope if you are considering this level of car your ducks are in order. at 1.99% if you pay 10k down youll pay $2500 in interest to finance the car. Mercedes finance may even offer a better rate. This still puts you $5451 ahead over leasing and the biggest thing! You own the car. That means you can sell it and get some of your money back. Being a new car you are still taking a huge hit for depreciation (which is why I bought mine CPO with 1200 miles, new car, miss the depreciation hit). so any way you slice it, this is a lifestyle not a need. any ways, the dealer wants you to lease, they sell the car make their money and they get the car back to sell it after you just paid for all of their depreciation losses. I know when i bought mine they were saying the rates were too good not to lease.

The only reason IMO to lease is if you can make it a total business write off, which is hard to do unless its only used for work which i would guess it wont be only used for work.

hopefully this helps in your decision
Things are never black or white just by looking at the numbers. There are many factors involved in the decision:
To me it seems like quite good of a deal. You can maybe negotiate a bit down the price from the mrsp. I managed to get down 10% + fleet incentive, coming to an overall 13% discount over the MRSP. I also used MSD's to lower the payment.
Using MSD's (5k) saved me around 2k in the overall payment across 3 years. I find it a pretty good use of extra cash that you may have.

If one likes to change cars often, leasing is going to be much better. If you buy the car new and sell it after three years, it will definitely be worse than leasing it because you lose some money in the sale process. If you drive it for more than 5-7 years, definitely better to buy.
Business owners can expense lease payments. I've bought used cars, leased new cars, etc. and it all comes to how long you keep them for. Financially speaking, buying a 2-3 year used car and keeping it for around 5-7 years it's going to be the most sound decision (or even longer if there won't be too many mechanical issues), but when we're looking at these cars it's not always a logical decision but an emotional one and perhaps you want the newest gadget, or newest trim etc.
Also, buying a 3 year old used car and selling it after 3 years will have just some advantage over leasing a new car fro 3 years. Also, the price written down on the contract as residual is not always the buy out price. You can often negotiate.

Anyhow, to the original question, I think it's a decent deal. I find that getting the total $ spent to the level of around 1/3 of the MRSP is quite ok.
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Old Dec 3, 2017 | 11:04 PM
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Hi all, new to the forum. 1st post! Anyway, I work for Daimler so don't be jealous of my deal:

No cash down $502 per month (plus tax). No return fees. Two options on the lease: 12 month / 15,000 miles walk away OR 8,000 miles return it for another lease (another c43 if I want and they are available). They don't care how fast you put the 8,000 miles on the car so it's possible to have a new one in the garage every few months.

Pulling the trigger tomorrow hope they are still available. This particular c43 is msrp $63,400. I can't remember which pkg but I remember it has the exhaust. Details are on my work computer and I don't have access from home.

I can also choose other models from cla 250 (much lower payment obviously) to S class. Availability varies. 3 vehicles at any one time. Perks of the job.

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Old Dec 4, 2017 | 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ameripat
Hi all, new to the forum. 1st post! Anyway, I work for Daimler so don't be jealous of my deal:

No cash down $502 per month (plus tax). No return fees. Two options on the lease: 12 month / 15,000 miles walk away OR 8,000 miles return it for another lease (another c43 if I want and they are available). They don't care how fast you put the 8,000 miles on the car so it's possible to have a new one in the garage every few months.

Pulling the trigger tomorrow hope they are still available. This particular c43 is msrp $63,400. I can't remember which pkg but I remember it has the exhaust. Details are on my work computer and I don't have access from home.

I can also choose other models from cla 250 (much lower payment obviously) to S class. Availability varies. 3 vehicles at any one time. Perks of the job.
Go away!
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Old Dec 10, 2017 | 06:17 PM
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I just took delivery...

2018 c43 sedan white w/ cranberry leather


msrp = 59500
negotiated price = 54950
tax = 7%
MF = 0.00018
terms = 48 months/15k miles
residual = $31K
down = $6250
monthly payment = 585

Have a fleet discount because of who I work for. Feel pretty good about it. I'll probably buy at the end of the lease as long as I don't have any issues. She's beautiful!
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Old Dec 12, 2017 | 09:50 PM
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was quoted this today...Hows this look to you guys??

Lease Information:
Amount Due At Signing:Term:48 MonthsMonthly Payment(s):591.22Monthly Payment:$591.22Bank Fee:IncludedMiles Per Year Included:12,000DMV Fee:IncludedLease End Purchase Option:31,127.25Documentation Fee:IncludedMSRP:56,595.00Upfront Taxes:IncludedTransport:IncludedCap Reduction:IncludedTotal Due At Signing:$1,888.25
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Old Dec 13, 2017 | 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by golf69
was quoted this today...Hows this look to you guys??

Lease Information:
Amount Due At Signing:Term:48 MonthsMonthly Payment(s):591.22Monthly Payment:$591.22Bank Fee:IncludedMiles Per Year Included:12,000DMV Fee:IncludedLease End Purchase Option:31,127.25Documentation Fee:IncludedMSRP:56,595.00Upfront Taxes:IncludedTransport:IncludedCap Reduction:IncludedTotal Due At Signing:$1,888.25

As noted above, my MSRP was $3500 more and I'm doing a 15K/year lease and I put $4400 more down.... I think you're in great shape man - pull the trigger if that's the one you want!
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Old Dec 13, 2017 | 10:35 AM
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What do you guys think of the natural wood grain on the interior of these cars? Im thinking the black would look much better in this car which is black on black. So I may pass on this deal
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Old Dec 15, 2017 | 07:02 PM
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Ok Guys, I just took delivery of 2018 c43 sedan today in the Bay Area
MSRP $70,60
discounted to $61,500
36 month lease. 12k/miles
$1,600 total drive off
Total payment including CA tax at $750/month.
I did not do MSD as I needed the cash for another transaction

Car includes
designo red exterior, designo brown cross stiched leather, sports exhaust, carbon trim, media package, drivers assist package and couple other options. Pretty loaded car .
let me know what you guys think of the deal

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Old Dec 28, 2017 | 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Sonu Singh
Ok Guys, I just took delivery of 2018 c43 sedan today in the Bay Area
MSRP $70,60
discounted to $61,500
36 month lease. 12k/miles
$1,600 total drive off
Total payment including CA tax at $750/month.
I did not do MSD as I needed the cash for another transaction

Car includes
designo red exterior, designo brown cross stiched leather, sports exhaust, carbon trim, media package, drivers assist package and couple other options. Pretty loaded car .
let me know what you guys think of the deal
What money factor did they use?
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Old Dec 29, 2017 | 09:29 PM
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What money factor did they use?
MF .00135 is the buy rate for December for C43 amg Sedan
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Old Dec 30, 2017 | 09:36 AM
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MF .00135 is the buy rate for December for C43 amg Sedan
Yes I believe that is the BASE MF
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Old Jan 8, 2018 | 09:21 PM
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2018 C43 lease details

2018 Mercedes Benz C43

MSRP: $67,405

Selling Price: 12% MSRP

Trade-in: [$0]

Months: [36]

Annual Mileage: [10,000]

MF: .00135 buy rate(dec 2017)

Residual: 61%(dec 2017)

Security Deposit: $6500

Total Due At Signing: 2500 (1st month payment included)+ NJ tax

Monthly Payment (incl. tax): $574 including maintenance package$1125)




10 MSD’s : $6500

MF after MSD’s:00065

Zip Code: 07067

Sales Tax Rate: 7%

Signed the deal on 2nd Jan and picked the car on 01/06 at Ohio and drive back to NJ.

A big shout out to Wayne Scholar(Sales) of Fred Martin Benz, Youngstown, Ohio who made my car lease possible. He had asked me what discount and MF I was looking for to close the deal and worked with me to get the best deal.


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Old Jan 9, 2018 | 03:49 PM
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c43 lease proposal from dealer today

WHat do you guys think of this deal? Thanks in advance!!

Black on black c43 sedan Fully loaded downLease Information:Amount Due At Signing:Term:48 MonthsMonthly Payment(s):746.41Monthly Payment:$746.41Bank Fee:IncludedMiles Per Year Included:12,000DMV Fee:IncludedLease End Purchase Option:40,540.50Documentation Fee:IncludedMSRP:73,710.00Upfront Taxes:IncludedTransport:IncludedCap Reduction:IncludedTotal Due At Signing:$2,023.36
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Old Jan 10, 2018 | 12:06 PM
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You need to give us more info on how much is the selling price and MF/RV given by the dealer. What is the actual MF/RV for C43 for Jan 2018. You can get the actual RV/MF from Edmunds forums.
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Old Jan 12, 2018 | 02:55 PM
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Dang! I wish I'd stumbled upon this forum before I bought my C43 on 01/03/2017. Below are the details of my deal.

C43 Sedan
Exterior: Polar white
Interior: Black leather with red stitch
Packages: Night package, Premium 2 package, Exterior carbon fiber package, 19 inch wheels with black accents (Run flats), AMG performance exhaust system, Interior LED accent lighting, Panaromic roof

MSRP: $62,295 incl. dest
Sale Price: $54,900

I just went to the dealer to test drive and ended up buying it. I fell in love with it instantly so couldn't resist. I wanted to lease it but the dealer quoted some really high numbers on the lease. It was an impulse buy so I wasn't prepared on stuff like money factor etc. but I knew the numbers were insane just by looking at the monthly payment. So, I ended up financing it at 2.99/72 months. My monthly payment is $848/month incl. everything ( Taxes, title and fees rolled into the loan ) with a $4K down payment. The lease numbers were almost the same which is insane. If I had done my research and was prepared on the money factor I probably would've got a good lease deal. Alas, there is nothing I can do now. I am planning to refinance with my bank though as I am pre-approved for a rate of 1.74/72 months.

I have a couple of questions though:

1) Is the MB prepaid maintenance worth it? The dealer is quoting $1675 for it. It is listed for $1475 on MB USA but the dealer says every dealer has a mark up based on the area.
2) Extended warranty of 2 yrs/ 25000 miles over factory warranty. The dealer is quoting $3600 (Negotiated from $5000) on it. Is it worth it? I am a first time MB owner so have no clue about the reliability of the cars and the benefit of purchasing an extended warranty. Any help is appreciated!
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Old Jan 16, 2018 | 07:21 PM
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For the 2018 sedan,

What do you guys think about a lock in of .0004 over base money factor which right now would be .00175 (base is .00135), and 10% discount on sale price. It is a custom order MSRP around $62k.

Residual is 58% for 15k miles per year/36 months.

Seems to me they claw back some discount with the money factor but overall deal is fair, if not great. I don’t see how they can give you base money factor and chop 10% or more off the price and make any money. I got the strong impression this deal was pushing the limits.

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Old Jan 19, 2018 | 11:24 AM
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For the 2018 sedan,

What do you guys think about a lock in of .0004 over base money factor which right now would be .00175 (base is .00135), and 10% discount on sale price. It is a custom order MSRP around $62k.

Residual is 58% for 15k miles per year/36 months.

Seems to me they claw back some discount with the money factor but overall deal is fair, if not great. I don’t see how they can give you base money factor and chop 10% or more off the price and make any money. I got the strong impression this deal was pushing the limits.
I guess this is kind of tough since it is a custom order. The mark up on the MF adds about $40 to your monthly payment, which is $1440 over the term of your lease. I would always go for base MF, but if you can get extra money off the sticker, then I guess it evens out. My local dealership has so many C43s so they quoted me a base MF and closer to 13% off sticker (Fleet discount included). Honestly, you might want to consider just purchasing it out. You're probably looking at $60 more a month at your current deal with a 72 mo loan.
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