horsepower upgrades
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It's easy to boost your stock 2017 '43 to power levels slightly higher than the 2019 with any of the mild piggybacks out there. The Dinan sport is the cheapest, it'll get you to about 400 crank hp. The JB1 is only a little bit more expensive and it'll get you quite a bit more hp than a stock 2019 is rated for. The Racechip is the most expensive and slots higher than the Dinan but less than the JB1. Most of these piggybacks are very simple installations that are basically plug and play.
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Anyone try the Performmaster Tunning kit?
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It's easy to boost your stock 2017 '43 to power levels slightly higher than the 2019 with any of the mild piggybacks out there. The Dinan sport is the cheapest, it'll get you to about 400 crank hp. The JB1 is only a little bit more expensive and it'll get you quite a bit more hp than a stock 2019 is rated for. The Racechip is the most expensive and slots higher than the Dinan but less than the JB1. Most of these piggybacks are very simple installations that are basically plug and play.
Why doesnt MB just produce a C43 with the same HP as that with a tune?
Thanks.
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It is the same as 16-18
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[QUOTE=NYCSoiL;7537248]I'd imagine yes, but nobody know how bad and how fast as the platform is still new.
I doubt boosting the turbos 1.5psi each- (which is what you get from JB1 on map 2) would damage the turbos anymore than usual. Since turbos started becoming popular in the mid to late 80's, performance enthusiasts have been boosting them 5-8 psi or more over stock- BMW even had a feature a few years back called "overboost" which allowed the turbo to provide boost over max stock numbers for a brief period.
In theory I am sure the engineers compensated by allowing quite a bit more than the 6 psi max each turbo see's stock and remember full boost is only under wide open throttle- which most only do briefly, unless your tracking it.
I doubt boosting the turbos 1.5psi each- (which is what you get from JB1 on map 2) would damage the turbos anymore than usual. Since turbos started becoming popular in the mid to late 80's, performance enthusiasts have been boosting them 5-8 psi or more over stock- BMW even had a feature a few years back called "overboost" which allowed the turbo to provide boost over max stock numbers for a brief period.
In theory I am sure the engineers compensated by allowing quite a bit more than the 6 psi max each turbo see's stock and remember full boost is only under wide open throttle- which most only do briefly, unless your tracking it.
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Excuse the ignorance, but what changes were made to the engine for the 19 c43? My thinking was MB just leaned out the AFRs on the c450/c43 (16-18) and thus increased the power.
Update: Just checked and saw the 19 gets a bigger turbo charger? That's great, anyone know what the flow rate is? What is the flow rate of the c450/c43 (16-18)?
Update: Just checked and saw the 19 gets a bigger turbo charger? That's great, anyone know what the flow rate is? What is the flow rate of the c450/c43 (16-18)?
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“Causal connection” means the manufacturer can’t rightfully disaffirm the warranty unless it (burden of persuasion) can show the piggyback caused the damages sought to be repaired under warranty. Simply using a piggy is not sufficient legal ground to reject a warrant claim.
As for a casual connection, Sven and da boys say, “Ya, sure, you betcha!”
As for a casual connection, Sven and da boys say, “Ya, sure, you betcha!”
Can mb tell if you used a piggyback?
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Your question is too generalized, but more or less, yes, all of them will. If you have a tune and anything mechanical fails that would normally be covered under warranty, once MB (or any manufacturer) finds out you've tuned/modified their systems, they're going to claim the failure is in some way a result of the modification to the system, and not cover the repair.
Now that does not mean that if you have a suspension component fail or or your window motor dies, or whatever else, that it won't be covered, as those parts don't necessarily have any relation to the tune. It's just not as black and white as saying "tune = warranty voided."
Last note for the new people in this thread....if you enjoy being confused and reading muddled legalese, CFG is your best friend. Otherwise, don't feed the troll.
(you'll see why when he responds to this)
Now that does not mean that if you have a suspension component fail or or your window motor dies, or whatever else, that it won't be covered, as those parts don't necessarily have any relation to the tune. It's just not as black and white as saying "tune = warranty voided."
Last note for the new people in this thread....if you enjoy being confused and reading muddled legalese, CFG is your best friend. Otherwise, don't feed the troll.
(you'll see why when he responds to this)
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This is all I needed to know. I'm not into tuning an expensive brand new car and voiding the warranty if I pop the motor. But I've never heard of piggybacks before. I was thinking that if you remove it and MB couldn't tell you had one installed then it might be worth considering.
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I laugh every time I see someone cite MM as a defense for a warranty claim denial. All the dealer has to do is refuse to do the work, and then what will you do? Spend $50k in legal fees fighting them. And given MB has a legal team bigger than OJ's your chances if winning are slim to none. I would say none if you used any type or tune or piggyback and the issue is engine or driveline related in any way. Although you will get laughed at for throwing $50k into the wind.
I'd like for someone to show me just one case of a consumer suing an auto manf. under MM and winning. Just one.
I'd like for someone to show me just one case of a consumer suing an auto manf. under MM and winning. Just one.
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Oh, wait, here is one: https://jalopnik.com/dont-let-the-ca...-wh-1736064825
and, the guy recovered attirney’s fees AND costs as provided in the act....
and, the guy recovered attirney’s fees AND costs as provided in the act....
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Oh, wait, here is one: https://jalopnik.com/dont-let-the-ca...-wh-1736064825
and, the guy recovered attirney’s fees AND costs as provided in the act....
and, the guy recovered attirney’s fees AND costs as provided in the act....
https://www.autoblog.com/2010/12/28/...-car-warranty/
"In such cases where the vehicle was under warranty, claims were denied and engine warranties were voided; the carmaker simply confirmed that head gasket failure was indeed due to installation of the power chips. The carmaker was (again) well within its right to deny claims and void engine warranties."
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You can cast as much doubt as you want, or raise as many ad hominems as you desire, but it changes nothing: if there is an arbitrary or wrongful denial, there is a meaningful remedy, including attorneys fees and costs.
People have a right to sue for negligence, but that merely deters it, and does not stop it.
Peple have a right to sue for defective products, yet manufacturers continue to....
You miss the point, whether by design or neglect.
People have a right to sue for negligence, but that merely deters it, and does not stop it.
Peple have a right to sue for defective products, yet manufacturers continue to....
You miss the point, whether by design or neglect.
Go ahead and tune your vehicle and when you request warranty service for a fouled fuel injector I will be laughing.
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HAHAHA I forgot why I dislike forums. Thanks for reminding me fellas 
I agree with Clint though. If I put a tune on, pop a motor, and get denied warranty claim, I would come out the pocket, swap the motor and move on with my life. I doubt I would win and it wouldn't be worth trying.
But if I thought there was no way MB could detect the tune I might consider it...
But really though, the car is fast as is and its got a smooth power band. Not jerky and messed up like the STi. I'll just drive as is.
I only asked because I was curious, everyone knows the MM act is useless in most cases
I agree with Clint though. If I put a tune on, pop a motor, and get denied warranty claim, I would come out the pocket, swap the motor and move on with my life. I doubt I would win and it wouldn't be worth trying.
But if I thought there was no way MB could detect the tune I might consider it...
But really though, the car is fast as is and its got a smooth power band. Not jerky and messed up like the STi. I'll just drive as is.
I only asked because I was curious, everyone knows the MM act is useless in most cases
