whoover

It will be a long time before we see options lists and prices. Probably a year. You can't even get info on a US base 204.

SolidGranite

MotorTrend says the 19" wheels won't be available in the US??? I don't buy it.

RawAMGpower

I believe it will be called the P30 package not the 030. With that option I'm guessing the car will be around $75K and after tax and licensing your looking at 80K+. Regardless this car will likely be the fastest and best valued V8 AMG you can get unless a SLK63 comes out.

RawAMGpower

Any chance with addtional mods (ie. headers, exhaust, intake, trottle body, cams, crank shaft, etc.) we could get this car up to 600 or 650hp? I want to be able to smoke a Z06 with this car. Anyway it would be crazy if software alone could add 100hp to it.

360_iti

Very possible to gain 100hp just by software alone on a twin turbo engine. Not sure about n/a.

M5CLK

Is it just me or the front seats look overdone for a 4 drs? And looks like the spd meter is still hard to read.. But everything else looks great!!

Shake

The front end looks like it wants to kill someone....so aggressive

MB_Forever

very aggressive.... I like.... I like very much.........

This car will definately BREAK RECORDS

By the way, I don't think this car will only have 457 hp, I think it will have the full 507 hp just like all the other 63 engines. Mercedes has a way of manipulating advertised hp figures for marketing reasons. They did this with E55 vs SL/CL 55. In reality, this car will dyno exactly the same as E63/CLS63 etc, but will weight much less...

TruTaing

I really like em? I dont even think they are over done... considering the styling on the rest of the car

RawAMGpower

Yeah, but if the engine is de-tuned by software so that it has 50-70 less hp then it should at 451 or 457hp then the software upgrade would be getting back what was taken away and adding 50-30hp on top of that. Even the 63 engines in the CL and S that put out 518 are not putting out there full potential in programing. Renntech can add 33hp and 30tq on them putting them up to 551hp and 495tq. Now imagine those numbers on the C63. That would be a mid eleven second car easy and be faster then the 65's.

TA-9FF

Wow.........does anyone see a little 190E EVO in this?

This car looks great!

I cannot wait for this new beast to carve up M3's for breakfast.

The new M3 has for once, nothing on this new AMG.

osocold707

Don't like the wheels
Don't like the eyelids on the lights
If it comes close to 70k, don't like the price, would need more car

Otherwise I think they're on to something

At his point C63>M3 based on editorials

Now wheres that Lexus

TA-9FF

Jeez......

I know it's going to be badass, and I also know it's an AMG........but at the end of the day, I'm not sure I can write a check for $70k knowing I'm buying a C-Class.....albeit it a very POWERFUL one, but nevertheless..........

I love the car, but it's not for me.

TA-9FF

+1

Except I'm not even worried about the Lexus. They've been notorious for making lame ducks. Lexus simply lacks the know-how for building what are, essentially.......luxury muscle cars.

If it's going to be anything like the SC430......I'm not losing any sleep.

vraa

Then again, they didn't style, design, nor are marketing the IS-F like the SC430.

A lot of folks are missing a big picture here. The C63 is out but it's not getting cover paged by the mags. The M3 Concept got more press than the C63! The IS-F is still "rumored" by a few dealerships. This is going to be a helluva exciting model year...

TA-9FF

Actually.......I've been wondering about that.

Why is that? How is it something so vile as the new M3 (IMHO) gets so much press, when the better looking, and probably better performing C63 gets less? Makes no sense.

I assume it has to do with the M3 being historically, the better car. But given what we know now, I think this will be the first time the C Class might actually out-class and out-gun the BMW......

The AMG has the BMW on looks, with light mods the AMG can easily out-gun, out-drag, and out-perform the BMW, the AMG has the better interior, etc, etc.

The only saving grace the M3 has is it's legendary handling......and I'm betting there's even a solution to beat that problem.......

GDawgC220

Finally they come out with rev-matched downshifts...only took MB 7 years since the introduction of touch-shift

GDawgC220

I believe that is the Euro version shown, the U.S. might not get those seats.

GDawgC220

Definitely possible on a TT set up with the right software and tuning but on a N/A engine, 15-20hp at the crank probably at most.

Fifth Ring

The M3 is one of those legendary benchmarks by which comparable cars are judged. So each new M3 is viewed as a harbinger of the future for BMW and all cars that compete with it.

Like it or not, the C63 (like the RS4) are always in "follow" mode rather than "lead" mode when it comes to all-out performance sedans. It would take a major, long-term flop by BMW to change this.

GDawgC220

I wonder what the shift times are like for the 7G-Tronic modified by AMG for quicker shift times. DSG is 8ms and SMG is 80ms. Tried finding some published times for 7G but nothing.

Fifth Ring

I also wonder what kind of programming is used. The manual mode in the C32 is really nothing more than the option to select your highest available gear. So picking "4" means that "5" is blocked, but the the car otherwise operates like an automatic. This gives direct control ONLY when the car is in 5th gear. And even these shifts are not quick. On upshifts, you can waggle from "2" to "3" but that won't make it shift to "3" unless the auto would do it anyway (e.g. if running flat out, it will not shift to "3" until redline even if you manually select "3").

If MB could make a transmission that responded QUICKLY to EVERY requested shift, going immediately to the gear selected (limited only by redline), then it might be competitive with DSG.

The one thing a full auto gearbox cannot do is downshift in anticipation of a hard turn (usually only occurs on a race track) or downshift during a sweeper where speed is being scrubbed off. On the street you wouldn't even want it to do that.

Ryanr317

As far as looks go, i think the C63 has got the upper hand on the other two hands down.

gkstar

True, there is a baggage and emotions related to this too. Will see. The E63 topped the M5 in Car and Driver's eyes, which I thought was a significant turn, let's see how the smaller cousins will fair.

Fifth Ring

BMW has build on a foundation that started in the 1960s, and they have stayed true to their mission (at least they've kept SOME portion of their product line consistently pro-driver. They deserve the status that they hold.