gravedgr

You could be right, but my source of "play funds" was down 35% as of the market close Friday.
That's the problem - I never sell, I trade into the next fun machine. I don't think the next dealer would give me much extra in trade in.

MHP

PS I'll have 2007 911 Carrera results in 2 weeks.

MHP

I hear that.

Trade it with Rick/rarfinancial

Timeless

I don't think you are the only ones that CAN do it, but you may be the only ones that want to do it. Obviously any AMG TCU tech that goes out on his own or is hired by a tuner company has the ability to do this.

I believe the reason most do not is due to longevity issues with transmissions. There have been plenty of reports of tuners messing with TCUs on the V12 platform that have blown up in their face.

I do understand you spend lots of hours programming a TCU, but you will have canned TCU tunes soon for people with specific mods...especially once you figure out your margin of saftety. So, soon your TCU tune will take a matter of minutes just as the ECU tune does.

richtor

thanks gravedgr for creating the conversation that i originally wanted when i started this thread. i have not been around for the last few days and have missed the latest flurry of comments. i do want to thank evosport for finally answering the questions i had placed in their thread.

when i started looking at the merc for purchase last year or so anticipating the c63 platform i look at various renntech and evosport threads and tunes. more recently i wanted to be sure to at least get a little info on all the main national tuners working with the merc 63 drivetrain. mhp has really made me think twice as to what sports sedan(i am also looking at the new m3, cts v, g8 gxp: ls3 w/ 6sp man) and tune/mods i want to purchase. mhp with their tunes, availability to answer questions, and track results have really opened my eyes. this post says it all.

with that i cant wait for mir and the head to head tuner shoot out!!!!

MHP

Wrong. If done correctly TCU tuning will extend the life of the trans, and again no one else can do it, or they would. Unless you can think of a business argument that somehow makes sense of say Renntech doing 55/65 TCUs (not to the same level as us) but not 63s. 55s/65s make ****loads more tq than 63s so there is more risk with them no question.

Most of the aftermarket is ****, no argument there. Again though 7As are mated to 6.2s which make a lot less tq than the 55s/65s.

Again 100% incorrect. As I've explained countless times in the past, there are no redundant codes in the TCU, EVERY tune that we do is 100% custom per vehicle--not by choice, but because there's no other way. To date we've seen 6 C63 ECU/TCUs (same make, same processer used in both '08/'09) and not ONE has had any redundancy whatsoever. We're even seeing different splits in TM from the ECU/TCU based on the car in question.

This has been verified by other tuners in other threads we've posted in on mbworld.org.

Timeless

I understand you cannot copy and paste (yet), but surely once you get the parameters setup based on mods and save them or even write them down or do screen prints, it becomes much easier and less time consuming the next go around for the same vehicle with the same mod level.

MHP

No, it won't. The parameters (basic tune guidelines will be set that is correct) but how we have to enter them into the code, and where we have to change the code will always be different. There are over 300 possible combinations so the likelihood of redundancy is slim to none.

Timeless

I am sceptical at best on this, but will defer to your knowledge.

Being in the computer business, this seems like a pain in the **** and surely should have an easier way.

MHP

If we could do it quicker/faster, there's absolutely no reason we wouldn't.

Thanks
Andy

gravedgr

Updated with the latest MHP results...
Revised with latest MHP pricing for ECU only...
Revised with URL links...
Updated with gearing...

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MHP (10/16/08) Click Me
$2250 (ECU only, TCU only, or $4000 for both) [revised 10/17/08, 10/10/08, 10/10/08] (money back guarantee)

Stock RWHP (5th Gear, SAE, filter & thermalnators): 372 / Tune RWHP: 435 / Gain: 63 RWHP
Stock RWTQ (5th Gear, SAE, filter & thermalnators): 372 / Tune RWTQ: 401 / Gain: 29 RWTQ

$35.71/RWHP gain

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VRP (10/10/08) Click Me
$1999 (14-day money back guarantee)

Stock RWHP: 371 / Tune RWHP: 429 / Gain: 58 RWHP
Stock RWTQ: 300 / Tune RWTQ: 347 / Gain: 47 RWTQ

(dyno numbers shown by speed, not RPM; dyno in 3rd/4th; torque numbers extremely questionable)

$34.47/RWHP gain

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Evosport [09/30/08] Click Me
$1990 (14-day money back guarantee)

Stock RWHP (4th gear, SAE): 371 / Tune RWHP: 435 / Gain: 64 RWHP
Stock RWTQ (4th gear, SAE): 365 / Tune RWTQ: 396 / Gain: 31 RWTQ

Tune RWHP (5th gear, SAE): 430
Tune RWTQ (5th gear, SAE): 385

$31.09/RWHP gain

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RENNTECH Click Me Click Me
$3495

Stock RWHP (4th gear, SAE, dyno, cat delete): 374 / Tune RWHP: 431 / Gain: 57 RWHP
Stock RWTQ (4th gear, SAE, dyno, cat delete): 367 / Tune RWTQ: 387 / Gain: 20 RWTQ

Stock RWHP (catalog): 369 / Tune RWHP: 419 / Gain: 50 RWHP
Stock RWTQ (catalog): 363 / Tune RWTQ: 393 / Gain: 30 RWTQ

(catalog claimed crank #'s x .82)

$61.32/RWHP gain (dyno)

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Kleeman (10/02/08 - Danny Boy) Click Me
$1495

Stock RWHP: 356 / Tune RWHP: 406 / Gain: 50 RWHP
Stock RWTQ: 348 / Tune RWTQ: 366 / Gain: 18 RWTQ

$29.90/RWHP gain

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Kleeman (10/05/08 - E63PWR) Click Me
$1495

Stock RWHP: 378 / Tune RWHP: 424 / Gain: 46 RWHP
Stock RWTQ: ??? / Tune RWTQ: ??? / Gain: ?? RWTQ

$32.50/RWHP gain

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Reported Best Results (so far)
Highest RWHP: MHP - 435 (5th gear, 1:1)
Highest RWHP: Evosport - 435 (4th gear)
Highest RWTQ: MHP - 401
Best RHWP Gain: Evosport - 64
Best RWTQ Gain: Evosport - 31
Best RWHP Gain/$ (tuner data): Evosport - $31.09/hp (64 rwhp gain)
Best RWHP Gain/$ (owner data): Kleeman - $29.90/hp (46 rwhp gain)

Notes:

• all tuner results are rounded down
• results do not include corrections for gear, fuel, or minor mods
• 4th gear results tend to be higher than 5th gear results

Timeless

VRP also has 14 day money back guarantee as they use Powerchips like Evosport does.

And I vote this be made a sticky.

Edit: Powerchips does re-flashes for $100.00 also in case you do further mods or a dealer flashes over the ECU tune. Dunno about the other companies.

AMGC60-3

Thats great work, very interesting

AMGC60-3

And I second your vote for the sticky.

MHP

Just noticed that the Renntech test car (for their v1 tuning) had a cat delete done to it. Another member on here just tested a cat removal on a C63 to be worth 24-26rwhp alone.

MHP

Updated with the latest MHP results...
Revised with latest MHP pricing for ECU only...
Revised with URL links...

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MHP (10/16/08) Click Me
$2250 (ECU only, TCU only, or $4000 for both) [revised 10/17/08, 10/10/08, 10/10/08] (money back guarantee)

Stock RWHP (5th Gear, SAE): 372 / Tune RWHP: 435 / Gain: 63 RWHP
Stock RWTQ (5th Gear, SAE): 372 / Tune RWTQ: 401 / Gain: 29 RWTQ

$35.71/RWHP gain

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VRP (10/10/08) Click Me
$1999

Stock RWHP: 371 / Tune RWHP: 429 / Gain: 58 RWHP
Stock RWTQ: 300 / Tune RWTQ: 347 / Gain: 47 RWTQ

(dyno numbers shown by speed, not RPM; dyno in 3rd/4th; torque numbers extremely questionable)

$34.47/RWHP gain

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Evosport [09/30/08] Click Me
$1990 (14 day money back satisfaction guarantee)

Stock RWHP (5th gear, SAE): 371 / Tune RWHP: 429 / Gain: 58 RWHP
Stock RWTQ (5th gear, SAE): 364 / Tune RWTQ: 385 / Gain: 21 RWTQ

$31.09/RWHP gain

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RENNTECH Click Me
$3495 (Vehicle also had cat delete, tested to a 24-26rwhp gain by itself by another member on a C63).

Stock RWHP (4th gear): 369 / Tune RWHP: 419 / Gain: 50 RWHP
Stock RWTQ (4th gear): 363 / Tune RWTQ: 393 / Gain: 30 RWTQ

(claimed crank #'s x .82)

$69.90/RWHP gain

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Kleeman (10/02/08 - Danny Boy) Click Me
$1495

Stock RWHP (4th Gear): 356 / Tune RWHP: 406 / Gain: 50 RWHP
Stock RWTQ (4th Gear): 348 / Tune RWTQ: 366 / Gain: 18 RWTQ

$29.90/RWHP gain

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Kleeman (10/05/08 - E63PWR) Click Me
$1495

Stock RWHP (4th Gear): 378 / Tune RWHP: 424 / Gain: 46 RWHP
Stock RWTQ: ??? / Tune RWTQ: ??? / Gain: ?? RWTQ

$32.50/RWHP gain

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Reported Best Results (so far) with just tuning.
Highest RWHP: MHP 435
Highest RWTQ: MHP - 401
Best RHWP Gain: MHP- 63
Best RWTQ Gain: MHP - 29
Best RWHP Gain/$: Kleeman - $29.90/hp (46 rwhp gain)

(Note: all tuner results are rounded down and do not include corrections for gear, fuel, or minor mods). Also keep in mind that a 63 will dyno 6-8rwhp higher in 4th gear (what most test in) than 5th, and 10rwtq lower in 4th than in 5th. 5th is 1:1, aka industry standard.

gravedgr

Updated with more clarification. Click my sig.

MHP

v2 v Stock:



v2 v v1 v Stock:




Thanks

hhughes1

Two quick questions:

1. Exactly how is the install handled once you have selected the product?

2. Other than the Mercedes detuned ECU are there any other performance differences between the C63 and all the 500+hp models with the same motor?

Sincity

Yeah....stickey this *****!

Sincity

I believe exhaust. There was some talk about the intake being different and another member said they were the same.

MHP

If you mean ECU/TCU tuning. You ship us your ECU (TCU for 63s is handled via ECU), we flash it and ship it back. Install removal is a 2 minute job on a C63. I posted directions in stefario's thread earlier today.

Yes, we have a more restrictive exhaust (smaller dia. tubing) and the air inlet tubes are different per model. The engines are the same from airboxes to oil pan.

paulGT3

MPH said:
NOW I know why we have to pay so much for your double tune!!! LOL

j/k

MHP

LOL! I eat 1.5lbs of red meat per day (plus chicken/fish) but only go out to eat a few times a month. Lucky for you.

paulGT3

Andy you need to go to the Steakhouse in Amarillo
Eat a 72oz steak and its free!!