63 tuners and mods
#1
63 tuners and mods
i am looking for a new sports sedan and the c63 has me very intrigued. specially with the amount of n/a power these merc dohc 6.2 motors are putting down with a little bit of work.
my personal want is for a very fun daily driver with good power/weight ratio. after seeing more than a few threads on various mods and tuners i am getting the feeling that 430-450rwhp is possible with tune and full exhaust.
evosport - c63/ecu tune: 435rwhp, 396rwtq
vrp - cls63/vr530: 443rwhp
powerchip - ml63/ecu tune: 423rwhp, 390rwtq
kleeman - c63/ecu tune: 424rwhp
renntech - c63/v1 tune: 431rwhp, 387rwtq
mhp - c63/tcu and ecu v1 tune: 427rwhp, 394rwtq
i cant wait for the mir tuner showdown to actually see how these cars and tunes perform same day same track! the results will be more conclusive than the stats above. it may even be more interesting for those who dont show up?
please add and comment on the info that is above to help me make the best informed decision i can. thanks!
my personal want is for a very fun daily driver with good power/weight ratio. after seeing more than a few threads on various mods and tuners i am getting the feeling that 430-450rwhp is possible with tune and full exhaust.
evosport - c63/ecu tune: 435rwhp, 396rwtq
vrp - cls63/vr530: 443rwhp
powerchip - ml63/ecu tune: 423rwhp, 390rwtq
kleeman - c63/ecu tune: 424rwhp
renntech - c63/v1 tune: 431rwhp, 387rwtq
mhp - c63/tcu and ecu v1 tune: 427rwhp, 394rwtq
i cant wait for the mir tuner showdown to actually see how these cars and tunes perform same day same track! the results will be more conclusive than the stats above. it may even be more interesting for those who dont show up?
please add and comment on the info that is above to help me make the best informed decision i can. thanks!
#3
don't forget the vaeth 585hp (don't know about the true rwhp)
http://www.gosportscar.com/2008/06/1...-amg-to-585hp/
http://www.gosportscar.com/2008/06/1...-amg-to-585hp/
Last edited by C63 AMG; 10-05-2008 at 09:12 AM.
#4
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don't forget the vaeth 585hp (don't know about the true rwhp)
http://www.gosportscar.com/2008/06/1...-amg-to-585hp/
http://www.gosportscar.com/2008/06/1...-amg-to-585hp/
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#7
don't forget the vaeth 585hp (don't know about the true rwhp)
http://www.gosportscar.com/2008/06/1...-amg-to-585hp/
http://www.gosportscar.com/2008/06/1...-amg-to-585hp/
over the years i have heard a lot of good things from renntech and evosport. i believe evosport is a little less expensive. currently the evosport crew has yet to answer my questions in their thread. and most recently mhp has caught my eye. this is why i am waiting patiently for the tuner shootout at mir!
is there any experience with client/customer service with any of these tuners?
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#8
no responses? are all your c63's stock?
i thought this thread would be a buzz with comments and questions and the tunes and various tuners.
what do you like about your tune?
what else do you wish it had?
comments on pricing?
what does it run on the 1/4(stock and tuned)?
tuners feel free to chime in on your testing and results? why should i choose yours?
i thought this thread would be a buzz with comments and questions and the tunes and various tuners.
what do you like about your tune?
what else do you wish it had?
comments on pricing?
what does it run on the 1/4(stock and tuned)?
tuners feel free to chime in on your testing and results? why should i choose yours?
#11
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VRP (10/10/08)
$1999
Stock RWHP: 371 / Tune RWHP: 429 / Gain: 58 RWHP
Stock RWTQ: ??? / Tune RWTQ: ??? / Gain: 47 RWTQ
(torque numbers not provided, only gain)
$34.47/RWHP gain
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MHP (10/06/08)
$4000 [revised 10/10/08, 10/10/08] (money back guarantee)
Stock RWHP: 372 / Tune RWHP: 427 / Gain: 55 RWHP
Stock RWTQ: 372 / Tune RWTQ: 394 / Gain: 22 RWTQ
$72.73/RWHP gain
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Kleeman (10/02/08 - Danny Boy)
$1495
Stock RWHP: 356 / Tune RWHP: 406 / Gain: 50 RWHP
Stock RWTQ: 348 / Tune RWTQ: 366 / Gain: 18 RWTQ
$29.90/RWHP gain
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Kleeman (10/05/08 - E63PWR)
$1495
Stock RWHP: 378 / Tune RWHP: 424 / Gain: 46 RWHP
Stock RWTQ: ??? / Tune RWTQ: ??? / Gain: ?? RWTQ
$32.50/RWHP gain
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Evosport [09/30/08]
$1990 (14 day money back satisfaction guarantee)
Stock RWHP: 371 / Tune RWHP: 435 / Gain: 64 RWHP
Stock RWTQ: 365 / Tune RWTQ: 396 / Gain: 31 RWTQ
$31.09/RWHP gain
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RENNTECH
$3495
Stock RWHP: 369 / Tune RWHP: 419 / Gain: 50 RWHP
Stock RWTQ: 363 / Tune RWTQ: 393 / Gain: 30 RWTQ
(claimed crank #'s x .82)
$69.90/RWHP gain
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Last edited by gravedgr; 10-11-2008 at 10:29 AM.
#12
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W164 ML500,SMART For two,1994 C280(5speed manual) 1999 C230k station wagon
I put this information together today based on the latest round of threads. The goal was to show not just reported max numbers, but reported gains.
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VRP (10/10/08)
$1999
Stock RWHP: 371 / Tune RWHP: 429 / Gain: 58 RWHP
Stock RWTQ: ??? / Tune RWTQ: ??? / Gain: 47 RWTQ
(torque numbers not provided, only gain)
$34.47/RWHP gain
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MHP (10/06/08)
$3800 [revised 10/10/08] (money back guarantee)
Stock RWHP: 372 / Tune RWHP: 427 / Gain: 55 RWHP
Stock RWTQ: 372 / Tune RWTQ: 394 / Gain: 22 RWTQ
$69.09/RWHP gain
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Kleeman (10/02/08 - Danny Boy)
$1495
Stock RWHP: 356 / Tune RWHP: 406 / Gain: 50 RWHP
Stock RWTQ: 348 / Tune RWTQ: 366 / Gain: 18 RWTQ
$29.90/RWHP gain
=================================================
Kleeman (10/05/08 - E63PWR)
$1495
Stock RWHP: 378 / Tune RWHP: 424 / Gain: 46 RWHP
Stock RWTQ: ??? / Tune RWTQ: ??? / Gain: ?? RWTQ
$32.50/RWHP gain
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Evosport [09/30/08]
$1990 (14 day money back satisfaction guarantee)
Stock RWHP: 371 / Tune RWHP: 435 / Gain: 64 RWHP
Stock RWTQ: 365 / Tune RWTQ: 396 / Gain: 31 RWTQ
$31.09/RWHP gain
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RENNTECH
$3495
Stock RWHP: 369 / Tune RWHP: 419 / Gain: 50 RWHP
Stock RWTQ: 363 / Tune RWTQ: 393 / Gain: 30 RWTQ
(claimed crank #'s x .82)
$69.90/RWHP gain
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VRP (10/10/08)
$1999
Stock RWHP: 371 / Tune RWHP: 429 / Gain: 58 RWHP
Stock RWTQ: ??? / Tune RWTQ: ??? / Gain: 47 RWTQ
(torque numbers not provided, only gain)
$34.47/RWHP gain
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MHP (10/06/08)
$3800 [revised 10/10/08] (money back guarantee)
Stock RWHP: 372 / Tune RWHP: 427 / Gain: 55 RWHP
Stock RWTQ: 372 / Tune RWTQ: 394 / Gain: 22 RWTQ
$69.09/RWHP gain
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Kleeman (10/02/08 - Danny Boy)
$1495
Stock RWHP: 356 / Tune RWHP: 406 / Gain: 50 RWHP
Stock RWTQ: 348 / Tune RWTQ: 366 / Gain: 18 RWTQ
$29.90/RWHP gain
=================================================
Kleeman (10/05/08 - E63PWR)
$1495
Stock RWHP: 378 / Tune RWHP: 424 / Gain: 46 RWHP
Stock RWTQ: ??? / Tune RWTQ: ??? / Gain: ?? RWTQ
$32.50/RWHP gain
=================================================
Evosport [09/30/08]
$1990 (14 day money back satisfaction guarantee)
Stock RWHP: 371 / Tune RWHP: 435 / Gain: 64 RWHP
Stock RWTQ: 365 / Tune RWTQ: 396 / Gain: 31 RWTQ
$31.09/RWHP gain
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RENNTECH
$3495
Stock RWHP: 369 / Tune RWHP: 419 / Gain: 50 RWHP
Stock RWTQ: 363 / Tune RWTQ: 393 / Gain: 30 RWTQ
(claimed crank #'s x .82)
$69.90/RWHP gain
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#14
#15
Keep in mind guys that we're the only ones in the world that do TCU as well as ECU so everyone else's pricing is just for ECU (which is only 50% of driveline tuning).
We're also the only ones with track testing to prove our results. Last night we went 12.029@118.18 actual/11.94@118.99 corrected and 12.024@118.78 actual/11.97@119.31 corrected with v2. Dyno #s coming on Monday.
Thanks
Andy
We're also the only ones with track testing to prove our results. Last night we went 12.029@118.18 actual/11.94@118.99 corrected and 12.024@118.78 actual/11.97@119.31 corrected with v2. Dyno #s coming on Monday.
Thanks
Andy
#16
Please remember that MHP provided 5th gear dynos (1:1 on C63), which reads 6 to 8 rwhp lower than 4th gear. So you're numbers should be adjusted accordingly.
#17
I put this information together today based on the latest round of threads. The goal was to show not just reported max numbers, but reported gains.
=================================================
VRP (10/10/08)
$1999
Stock RWHP: 371 / Tune RWHP: 429 / Gain: 58 RWHP
Stock RWTQ: ??? / Tune RWTQ: ??? / Gain: 47 RWTQ
(torque numbers not provided, only gain)
$34.47/RWHP gain
=================================================
MHP (10/06/08)
$4000 [revised 10/10/08, 10/10/08] (money back guarantee)
Stock RWHP: 372 / Tune RWHP: 427 / Gain: 55 RWHP
Stock RWTQ: 372 / Tune RWTQ: 394 / Gain: 22 RWTQ
$72.73/RWHP gain
=================================================
Kleeman (10/02/08 - Danny Boy)
$1495
Stock RWHP: 356 / Tune RWHP: 406 / Gain: 50 RWHP
Stock RWTQ: 348 / Tune RWTQ: 366 / Gain: 18 RWTQ
$29.90/RWHP gain
=================================================
Kleeman (10/05/08 - E63PWR)
$1495
Stock RWHP: 378 / Tune RWHP: 424 / Gain: 46 RWHP
Stock RWTQ: ??? / Tune RWTQ: ??? / Gain: ?? RWTQ
$32.50/RWHP gain
=================================================
Evosport [09/30/08]
$1990 (14 day money back satisfaction guarantee)
Stock RWHP: 371 / Tune RWHP: 435 / Gain: 64 RWHP
Stock RWTQ: 365 / Tune RWTQ: 396 / Gain: 31 RWTQ
$31.09/RWHP gain
=================================================
RENNTECH
$3495
Stock RWHP: 369 / Tune RWHP: 419 / Gain: 50 RWHP
Stock RWTQ: 363 / Tune RWTQ: 393 / Gain: 30 RWTQ
(claimed crank #'s x .82)
$69.90/RWHP gain
=================================================
=================================================
VRP (10/10/08)
$1999
Stock RWHP: 371 / Tune RWHP: 429 / Gain: 58 RWHP
Stock RWTQ: ??? / Tune RWTQ: ??? / Gain: 47 RWTQ
(torque numbers not provided, only gain)
$34.47/RWHP gain
=================================================
MHP (10/06/08)
$4000 [revised 10/10/08, 10/10/08] (money back guarantee)
Stock RWHP: 372 / Tune RWHP: 427 / Gain: 55 RWHP
Stock RWTQ: 372 / Tune RWTQ: 394 / Gain: 22 RWTQ
$72.73/RWHP gain
=================================================
Kleeman (10/02/08 - Danny Boy)
$1495
Stock RWHP: 356 / Tune RWHP: 406 / Gain: 50 RWHP
Stock RWTQ: 348 / Tune RWTQ: 366 / Gain: 18 RWTQ
$29.90/RWHP gain
=================================================
Kleeman (10/05/08 - E63PWR)
$1495
Stock RWHP: 378 / Tune RWHP: 424 / Gain: 46 RWHP
Stock RWTQ: ??? / Tune RWTQ: ??? / Gain: ?? RWTQ
$32.50/RWHP gain
=================================================
Evosport [09/30/08]
$1990 (14 day money back satisfaction guarantee)
Stock RWHP: 371 / Tune RWHP: 435 / Gain: 64 RWHP
Stock RWTQ: 365 / Tune RWTQ: 396 / Gain: 31 RWTQ
$31.09/RWHP gain
=================================================
RENNTECH
$3495
Stock RWHP: 369 / Tune RWHP: 419 / Gain: 50 RWHP
Stock RWTQ: 363 / Tune RWTQ: 393 / Gain: 30 RWTQ
(claimed crank #'s x .82)
$69.90/RWHP gain
=================================================
#18
Keep in mind guys that we're the only ones in the world that do TCU as well as ECU so everyone else's pricing is just for ECU (which is only 50% of driveline tuning).
We're also the only ones with track testing to prove our results. Last night we went 12.029@118.18 actual/11.94@118.99 corrected and 12.024@118.78 actual/11.97@119.31 corrected with v2. Dyno #s coming on Monday.
We're also the only ones with track testing to prove our results. Last night we went 12.029@118.18 actual/11.94@118.99 corrected and 12.024@118.78 actual/11.97@119.31 corrected with v2. Dyno #s coming on Monday.
I'm one of those guys, so it was no problem.
Last edited by gravedgr; 10-11-2008 at 09:36 PM.
#19
Andy - understood, but that is qualatative information and not so quantative, so its hard to include for comparison. If we could figure out how much of a difference the TCU tune makes on a 1/4 mile run vs. just an ECU tune (done by you), it would be easier to measure value.
To put it another way: Would you rather have a peanut butter sandwich, a jelly sandwich, or a PB + J sandwich?
Last edited by MHP; 10-11-2008 at 06:12 PM.
#20
I'd put it a different way - you're a restaurant and you make a steak with a special sauce; everyone else just has plain steak. If someone is trying to decide where to eat, do they go to another restaurant (where all steaks are relatively the same quality and price) or to your restaurant (where the steak is supposedly better than anywhere else, but costs twice as much)? Are they willing to pay twice as much not knowing whether they'll like the special sauce, or need the special sauce?
#21
Understood, but the thing is the benefits of a TCU reflash aren't only seen in the quarter mile. Everytime you drive the car you'll feel the beneift whether it be at part or WOT. I know, not quantitative, but all it takes is one drive to know it's there.
To put it another way: Would you rather have a peanut butter sandwich, a jelly sandwich, or a PB + J sandwich?
To put it another way: Would you rather have a peanut butter sandwich, a jelly sandwich, or a PB + J sandwich?
Making it cost CONSIDERABLY more brings doubt into question as to its worth.
#22
I'd put it a different way - you're a restaurant and you make a steak with a special sauce; everyone else just has plain steak. If someone is trying to decide where to eat, do they go to another restaurant (where all steaks are relatively the same quality and price) or to your restaurant (where the steak is supposedly better than anywhere else, but costs twice as much)? Are they willing to pay twice as much not knowing whether they'll like the special sauce, or need the special sauce?
My answer to that question would be yes, it's worth the price--I'm a big fan of wagyu/kobe.
At my favorite local steakhouse (Hyde Park) I can have a 16-18 oz bone in fillet for ~$50 or a 6 oz Kobe strip for $120. Since I love red meat and eat a LOT I usually get both.
Last edited by MHP; 10-12-2008 at 12:57 AM.
#23
Again, I don't think anyone really understands how much time it takes to properly code a TCU. We're the only ones in the world that can do it, which should tell you something about it.
#24
There's no supposedly about it Remember that the trans is half the driveline so you can't simply call it a sauce.
My answer to that question would be yes, it's worth the price--I'm a big fan of wagyu/kobe.
At my favorite local steakhouse (Hyde Park) I can have a 16-18 oz bone in fillet for ~$50 or a 6 oz Kobe strip for $120. Since I love red meat and eat a LOT I usually get both.
My answer to that question would be yes, it's worth the price--I'm a big fan of wagyu/kobe.
At my favorite local steakhouse (Hyde Park) I can have a 16-18 oz bone in fillet for ~$50 or a 6 oz Kobe strip for $120. Since I love red meat and eat a LOT I usually get both.
BTW - the only steak I eat out is @ the local churrascaria joints. For an actual steak, nothing beats what I can cook at home for about $20.
#25
My point was that even a novice can compare cuts of meat, or the weight. But its hard to put a value on something you can't measure. And I said "supposedly" because no one is going believe 100% until they try it for themselves. I wish you could seed a mule somewhere down here in the Southeast, but I'm still not sure I could make myself part with $3500-4000 for a tune (wheels maybe, since I could resell them).
BTW - the only steak I eat out is @ the local churrascaria joints. For an actual steak, nothing beats what I can cook at home for about $20.
BTW - the only steak I eat out is @ the local churrascaria joints. For an actual steak, nothing beats what I can cook at home for about $20.
You can resell the tune as part of the car, personally I think an extra 55rw+ (v1 results, redynoing v2 Monday, maybe Tues if my yaw sensor comes in Mon) over stock is a good selling point.