What does Andy @ MPH really know or do?
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Jim, I have to be honest, I find what you're implying to be ridiculous. You act like you just found out Santa is dead, so now you're suing. It's so dumb. Honestly, everyone was questioning MHP/Andy, even people you have worked with and were friends with, yet you didn't care or listen. You were AT THE FRONT CHEERLEADING MHP and Andy. You were probably responsible for most of his business here. And NOW you act like you somehow got the shaft?
WTF?
Caveat emptor.
WTF?
Caveat emptor.
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I, like everyone else, are following this thread - seems you gotta get in quick before some posts are deleted.
I am a bit confused though - OP said
"Now for the TCU being inside the ECU. That is entirely false and an outright LIE. You will notice in the attached pictures that even the factory Mercedes repair information shows the TCU inside the transmission, just as I have told my friend. So unless the customer is shipping the entire transmission to you, how are you giving them a TCU reflash?? ..."
But then we have been given evidence that it in fact can be done without sending the entire transmission.
So the OP who apparently knew more than God was just proven wrong by facts ... then JRCart drops in to say (in not as many words) they have revealed this is all a fraud, there is a massive law suit going on and he cant say any more ... but he will give random useless pieces of dramatic information to continue the saga.
I have an MHP tune, i would be fairly pissed off if i was scammed, wouldnt surprise me too much though, i mean sh*t like that happens all the time. I can see it going either way for many reasons.
Andy hasnt been on any other forum for a while, and club lexus has caught on to this post ... you think he would defend the claim on another forum, someone would link to it and then this thread would get shut down....
thats what i would do - but i might have just got scammed so what do i know??
PS - Someone should start the poll, "is MHP tune a scam" hahaha i would vote.
I am a bit confused though - OP said
"Now for the TCU being inside the ECU. That is entirely false and an outright LIE. You will notice in the attached pictures that even the factory Mercedes repair information shows the TCU inside the transmission, just as I have told my friend. So unless the customer is shipping the entire transmission to you, how are you giving them a TCU reflash?? ..."
But then we have been given evidence that it in fact can be done without sending the entire transmission.
So the OP who apparently knew more than God was just proven wrong by facts ... then JRCart drops in to say (in not as many words) they have revealed this is all a fraud, there is a massive law suit going on and he cant say any more ... but he will give random useless pieces of dramatic information to continue the saga.
I have an MHP tune, i would be fairly pissed off if i was scammed, wouldnt surprise me too much though, i mean sh*t like that happens all the time. I can see it going either way for many reasons.
Andy hasnt been on any other forum for a while, and club lexus has caught on to this post ... you think he would defend the claim on another forum, someone would link to it and then this thread would get shut down....
thats what i would do - but i might have just got scammed so what do i know??
PS - Someone should start the poll, "is MHP tune a scam" hahaha i would vote.
WHERE DID I SAY ANYTHING ABOUT A FRAUD OR ANYTHING ABOUT A LAWSUIT?. THE ONLY THING I HAVE SAID IS THAT I AM NOW RUNNING A REVISED POWERCHIP ECU TUNE.
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I suggest you modify your statement, DO NOT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH!!!
WHERE DID I SAY ANYTHING ABOUT A FRAUD OR ANYTHING ABOUT A LAWSUIT?. THE ONLY THING I HAVE SAID IS THAT I AM NOW RUNNING A REVISED POWERCHIP ECU TUNE.
I SUGGEST YOU CLARIFY SO YOU DO NOT END UP PART OF A LAWSUIT
WHERE DID I SAY ANYTHING ABOUT A FRAUD OR ANYTHING ABOUT A LAWSUIT?. THE ONLY THING I HAVE SAID IS THAT I AM NOW RUNNING A REVISED POWERCHIP ECU TUNE.
I SUGGEST YOU CLARIFY SO YOU DO NOT END UP PART OF A LAWSUIT
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From one popcorn-munching onlooker to another, be careful what you say in this thread. Thus are the ways of the internets
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libel
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Hey Tim,
I'm not real sure what your beef is with Andy but its obviously serious. I just received my ECU back from Andy and finally got it on the dyno today. It pulled 449rwhp and 400rwtq today. Those numbers are corrected and smoothing was done. Those are some serious numbers and as far as I know there are none higher to date. I have deleted the secondary cats and have the MKB headers. Otherwise the car is stock. Andy did a good job building power for my car and its proven. I also ran an 11.596 last Friday night in Orlando which is not the optimal conditions and it was the first day I had the ECU back. Why bash Andy/MHP and run off. What happened that caused the beef? Some of us have had great results but yet you bash him? The results are on the dyno and track so far for me.
I'm not real sure what your beef is with Andy but its obviously serious. I just received my ECU back from Andy and finally got it on the dyno today. It pulled 449rwhp and 400rwtq today. Those numbers are corrected and smoothing was done. Those are some serious numbers and as far as I know there are none higher to date. I have deleted the secondary cats and have the MKB headers. Otherwise the car is stock. Andy did a good job building power for my car and its proven. I also ran an 11.596 last Friday night in Orlando which is not the optimal conditions and it was the first day I had the ECU back. Why bash Andy/MHP and run off. What happened that caused the beef? Some of us have had great results but yet you bash him? The results are on the dyno and track so far for me.
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There I go what???
You have no idea what you are talking about, I know what I have said and its not much, I suggest you find someone else to nit pick with, I will dominate you like a lettle b!tch
You have no idea what you are talking about, I know what I have said and its not much, I suggest you find someone else to nit pick with, I will dominate you like a lettle b!tch
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Just out of curiosity, why can't you explain what's going on to all us popcorn munchers?
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Hmmmm...... very interesting stuff keeps pouring in here, and I'm glad information is finally coming out 
Okay, so now we at least know that the TCU can be flashed without having any components removed from the car at all.
EDIT: Another question here would be: does everything that gets flashed from the OBDII scanner go through the ECU first or can a flash by-pass the ECU and go directly to the TCU
Next, we need to find out if someone can update the TCU by only flashing the ECU....
Okay, so now we at least know that the TCU can be flashed without having any components removed from the car at all.
EDIT: Another question here would be: does everything that gets flashed from the OBDII scanner go through the ECU first or can a flash by-pass the ECU and go directly to the TCU
Next, we need to find out if someone can update the TCU by only flashing the ECU....
From what I read, the TCU is a seperately addressable control unit. From looking over the shoulders of AMG engineers working on one of the cars at the event, the process of programming each processor seemed similar.
• If transmission control module is new or transmission is replaced, then part of the installation process would be to release transport protection
and personalize (marry) the module
• Once transmission control module is married to the vehicle, it will not work correctly in another vehicle (only limp-home mode)
and personalize (marry) the module
• Once transmission control module is married to the vehicle, it will not work correctly in another vehicle (only limp-home mode)
Now, for my advice to the OP, MHP, and the Mods. Take it off line and then if you can all come to a happy place post the result. If not, keep it to yourselves.
jrcart, just stating that you are changing your tune is like yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. Recognize the position and responsibility you have given the reputation you have created with your modifications.
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So if we are all arguing whether the TCU Flash is, by strict definition, a "TCU Flash" and not a transmission optimization i dont give a flying **** - its like calling diet pepsi diet or a whole bunch of other things that i cant think of right now.
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Hmmmm...... very interesting stuff keeps pouring in here, and I'm glad information is finally coming out
Okay, so now we at least know that the TCU can be flashed without having any components removed from the car at all.
EDIT: Another question here would be: does everything that gets flashed from the OBDII scanner go through the ECU first or can a flash by-pass the ECU and go directly to the TCU
Next, we need to find out if someone can update the TCU by only flashing the ECU....
Okay, so now we at least know that the TCU can be flashed without having any components removed from the car at all.
EDIT: Another question here would be: does everything that gets flashed from the OBDII scanner go through the ECU first or can a flash by-pass the ECU and go directly to the TCU
Next, we need to find out if someone can update the TCU by only flashing the ECU....
Technically speaking, its impossible, when flashing an External device, in this case the (ECU)... So stay tuned, I still haven't talked about what I found in the "Pudding" 
They shut our **** down already... 
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Keeping the TCU issue separate, as this seems to be the only gripe by the OP, I am assuming that MHP's ECU tune is NOT in question...as has been proven by multiple 3rd party consumers through dyno and track results, and even independent video of a stock C63 vs a MHP tuned C63.
I have to admit though, jrcart's comments thus far leave me very confused as I do respect his reviews and opinions as I believe he cuts through all the b.s., therefore whatever is revealed in the next few days will carry some weight. However for all I know, it could be exactly the opposite of what anyone here is thinking.
I'm really disappointed all this drama has to happen now, just as MHP is about to release their headers/full exhaust and put out some new numbers. The timing of everything, the nature of some of these posts, the people involved in this thread, the 30 day suspension given to MHP for a reason I still do not know (yes I've read the thread in question) just makes no sense at this point.
Personally, I feel MHP should be allowed to defend themselves in this thread at least. As a potential customer who wasn't interested in the TCU portion of the tune anyhow, I would like to get all the facts so I can make an informed decision. I'm sure some stuff will be revealed later on this week, but without any representation by MHP nothing will be even close to being resolved.
I have to admit though, jrcart's comments thus far leave me very confused as I do respect his reviews and opinions as I believe he cuts through all the b.s., therefore whatever is revealed in the next few days will carry some weight. However for all I know, it could be exactly the opposite of what anyone here is thinking.
I'm really disappointed all this drama has to happen now, just as MHP is about to release their headers/full exhaust and put out some new numbers. The timing of everything, the nature of some of these posts, the people involved in this thread, the 30 day suspension given to MHP for a reason I still do not know (yes I've read the thread in question) just makes no sense at this point.
Personally, I feel MHP should be allowed to defend themselves in this thread at least. As a potential customer who wasn't interested in the TCU portion of the tune anyhow, I would like to get all the facts so I can make an informed decision. I'm sure some stuff will be revealed later on this week, but without any representation by MHP nothing will be even close to being resolved.
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Not sure how my quote is "fanning the flames..." Injecting a little humor never hurt anyone so loosen up. We share a common interest here and one that I suspect will reveal itself very soon.
