Thank you, Brad.

I'm just beginning to learn about MB performance. And I appreciate someone with your experience providing feedback.

I understand that the ECU will protect the engine with KR, etc., and an untuned car with bolt ons may make the car worse, depending on the combo of parts, but regarding airboxes alone as a single and exclusive mod, I would think -- based on what you said about these cars handling a 13 AFR -- that the car would only benefit from the mod.

I saw a dyno graph on this forum where someone installed the ROW air boxes with charcoal delete and they appeared to up the midrange torque. In some parts of the powerband, I believe the torque was 20 lbs/ft higher with the ROW boxes and charcoal delete.

I didn't see a AFR reading so I'm not sure what that line looked like for that run.

Brad, do you know if the C63's that come with the ROW airboxes from the factory have a different OEM tune than U.S. cars that come with the more restrictive airboxes?

 

so these can be bought from the dealership, kleemann, or evosport... and it's all the same thing? similar pricing?

 

No problem, happy to help! That is what this site is for!

Yes, you do not need a tune and the airboxes are a good stand alone mod.

I don't know 100% if the tune is different, but I am fairly certain that it is NOT.

Cannot say for Kleeman, but yes for us and dealer. However, if you order from us, we also sell better high flow air filters as well, so you can get both at the same place! =)

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thanks
Brad

 

We could also use shielding to protect the underside of the airbox. Have you guys felt how hot it is since it sits pretty much above the exhaust manifolds?

 

Yes, we do this on the stage 2 airbox we sell, FYI.

 

I've thought about that. But, if heat is being kept out of the air boxes then it's being kept in somewhere else. Could shielding possibly cause any heat problems by not allowing the heat to transfer as it was originally designed to do?

I know what I am asking is probably not an issue, but just curious if anyone has thought about this before or maybe it's a non issue.

What about wrapping the intake tubes with header wrap to keep heat out of them? You'd have to use the opposite side of the wrap I assume.

 

thanks again, Brad. I'm going to check out your site.

 

great, here is the guide for the C63:
http://www.evosport.com/product/vehi...63AMG_W204.pdf

thanks
brad

 

Hey Brad kind of off topic, I have the euro spec air boxes. If I got the carbonio cf intake, would I see any better gains or would they be the same?
Thanks.

 

Thanks, looks like you guys have some nice products.

 

Do you offer the shielding as a stand-alone product?

 

Good thread Sincity!

 

For diy guys you can use this stuff for heat shielding on the bottom and sides of the airbox http://www.hrpworld.com/index.cfm?tp...action=product. This stuff is used in almost all motorsports.



or http://www.designengineering.com/cat...r/reflect-gold

 

Thanks for the heads-up.

 

Yes, CLK 2 GLK, thank you. I'm going to look into this.

Btw, Sincity, I really enjoyed this thread. I use the ROW's and BMC's. If anything the price was definitely worth the increase in exhaust sound. And it seems like my car pulls harder in cool air with this setup.

 

Glad to have helped......but I also have to give Lomita credit in raising awareness. This is what a community of enthusiasts is all about.

I, too, was a little astonished how the difference in air inlet changed the sound characteristic of the vehicle.

 

I finally got my new ROW air boxes today! Do you guys think I should use the stock filters or replace them with K&Ns? What about BMC or Carbonio? Which are better?

Is there any real increase in power over the stock filters? According to the dyno results in this thread, the ROW air boxes with stock filters should provide about 20 rwhp , but are there any additional gains if I replace the stock filters as well?

P.S. I have an extra set of ROW air boxes up for sale in Classifieds if anyone is interested.

 

Further testing on the dyno and track will tell how much rwhp the ROW's provide. They do feel like they add something and I feel BMC's help as well. My car feels plugged up when I use stock filters.

ROW's don't add 20 rwhp, but they do help the car sound a bit louder.

 

I am to lazy to dyno

But one of the members did post the dyno results earlier in this thread. My bad, it was 10 rwhp max gain, not 20 rwhp. 20 rwhp was only between 3000-5000 rpm...

https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...ml#post4056336

 

It's all good.

I've seen the dyno you're talking about. But as Superlubricity has pointed out, we don't know whether that increase in power (namely rwtq) was simply due to the car warming up.

Superlubricity and others have done countless dynos on our cars and it's becoming pretty well accepted that the ROW's probably don't show much of a gain on the dyno.

A sponsor on this site -- I think it was MBH, but not 100% sure -- recently tested the ROW's and found a 6 or 8 rwhp gain.

The difficulty is creating enough air flow for the ROW's to show a noticable gain.

I feel the gain with them when I open the car up past 4000 rpms. The car charges harder (in my opinion) with ROW's and aftermarket filters, especially in cold, dry air.

 

Hmm... We'll see once I install them over the weekend.

Which filters should I go with? K&N and BMC are oily, right? I think Carbonio is foam, but is it as good as K&N or BMC?

In any case, I would probably run stock filters in winter not to clog the more expensive high-flow filters with road salt.

 

How much r these row intakes?

 

Can't wait, I'll probably go and install them right now!

 

they come with new MAF sensors and the bottle black portion? nice where did you get them from?

 

I have checked the MAF's several times and I have not seen any oil residue from the BMC's, thankfully.

Makes sense about the road salt.

Best of luck with the install.