Worst C63 review ever?
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I can subscribe to a few of his gripes to a lesser extent but overall this has to be the most negative review of the C63 I have ever read.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/rev...edes-c633-amg/
One thing I cannot fathom is how you can drive the C63 for two days and not mention even a hint of the beauty of the power plant and sound in your review.
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http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/rev...edes-c633-amg/
One thing I cannot fathom is how you can drive the C63 for two days and not mention even a hint of the beauty of the power plant and sound in your review.
Ken
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I am 5 11 and find the seats amazingly supportive and comfy. This dude must be a fat *** even by american standards.
Obviously biased, perhaps needs to be taught how to work the paddles.
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Obviously biased, perhaps needs to be taught how to work the paddles.
Whatever
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My god the entire page is a haters ball.
The first thing that people say about the seats is how amazing they look and how comfortable they are with a very tight feeling. The poor guy probably didn't understand how to adjust the back support.
I'm 6"0 200 pounds, my 6"4 240 pound friend also drove my car and he loved the seats.
This is extremely close to a true a race seat (I've had a few) and it's not for everyone. You can still drive 4 hours in the seats and not feel back pain at all, the support is excellent.
Still how can the guy not mention even once the awesome engine, performance and sound that this car has? This V8 has been voted engine of the year numerous times.
The only thing the guy talks about is that you can't go from 2nd to 7th gear in one shot, when the hell do you actually do that? I've driven plenty of manuals and I would probably go from 3rd to 5th once every 2 years lol
The first thing that people say about the seats is how amazing they look and how comfortable they are with a very tight feeling. The poor guy probably didn't understand how to adjust the back support.
I'm 6"0 200 pounds, my 6"4 240 pound friend also drove my car and he loved the seats.
This is extremely close to a true a race seat (I've had a few) and it's not for everyone. You can still drive 4 hours in the seats and not feel back pain at all, the support is excellent.
Still how can the guy not mention even once the awesome engine, performance and sound that this car has? This V8 has been voted engine of the year numerous times.
The only thing the guy talks about is that you can't go from 2nd to 7th gear in one shot, when the hell do you actually do that? I've driven plenty of manuals and I would probably go from 3rd to 5th once every 2 years lol
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I didn't like the seats the first time I test drove the car and had pretty much written it off. I'm actually fit and thin and I recessed back into the seat and the side bolsters held my arms too far forward. I even posted a thread on here about it way back.
On the second test drive I did a better job adjusting the seats and put the seat back more upright. Big difference and I like the seats now. When you get used to other cars and drive a new one sometimes little things get in the way until you adjust.
On the second test drive I did a better job adjusting the seats and put the seat back more upright. Big difference and I like the seats now. When you get used to other cars and drive a new one sometimes little things get in the way until you adjust.
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I didn't like the seats the first time I test drove the car and had pretty much written it off. I'm actually fit and thin and I recessed back into the seat and the side bolsters held my arms too far forward. I even posted a thread on here about it way back.
On the second test drive I did a better job adjusting the seats and put the seat back more upright. Big difference and I like the seats now. When you get used to other cars and drive a new one sometimes little things get in the way until you adjust.
On the second test drive I did a better job adjusting the seats and put the seat back more upright. Big difference and I like the seats now. When you get used to other cars and drive a new one sometimes little things get in the way until you adjust.
My wife did not like the seats at first but now we tweaked the settings and she loves them.
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You don't even need to read past the first paragraph to tell which vehicle he'd rather you buy. He made no attempt to find a single positive feature about the car. I've managed to find positive features about every vehicle I've ever driven (even the ones I'd never recommend to someone). I venture to guess that he owns BMW's and/or he's firmly clung onto BMW's sack.
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It's amusing when you read "reviews" of cars done by people who can't afford them. The things that they normally look for in a car aren't the same as what those who are actually in the market for that car would look for.
Most of the complaints they have can be remedied by simply purchasing the optional extras that come from the factory. Of course, they'll then say these things should be standard because it's standard on an Infiniti or an Acura. Problem is...those things (electronic gadgetry, for example) have to be standard on those cars because they have nothing else to offer.
For the price people pay when buying a car like a C63, what they're getting is the killer engine, the awe-inspiring exhaust note, and a great ride/handling compromise, plus just enough of the Mercedes-Benz cachet that garners respect from 90% of the driving population. These types of things are not available (not even as options) from an Infiniti G35 Coupe, or a MY2000 Jaguar (LOL, the reviewer is on crack, obviously).
The people who commented on that review (with the exception of one) have never bought a Mercedes, much less an AMG. I suspect they've never even been inside one.
Most of the complaints they have can be remedied by simply purchasing the optional extras that come from the factory. Of course, they'll then say these things should be standard because it's standard on an Infiniti or an Acura. Problem is...those things (electronic gadgetry, for example) have to be standard on those cars because they have nothing else to offer.
For the price people pay when buying a car like a C63, what they're getting is the killer engine, the awe-inspiring exhaust note, and a great ride/handling compromise, plus just enough of the Mercedes-Benz cachet that garners respect from 90% of the driving population. These types of things are not available (not even as options) from an Infiniti G35 Coupe, or a MY2000 Jaguar (LOL, the reviewer is on crack, obviously).
The people who commented on that review (with the exception of one) have never bought a Mercedes, much less an AMG. I suspect they've never even been inside one.
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Looking at it objectively, there are some valid points. On the plastics, the interior I have heard others complain about it. The engine is awesome, the little time I got to drive one. The seats are fine when I test drove it, but I am 5'10".
Questions though:
On the transmission, everyone happy with the performance?
On the interior, and finish, couldn't this be better?
Questions though:
On the transmission, everyone happy with the performance?
On the interior, and finish, couldn't this be better?
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Looking at it objectively, there are some valid points. On the plastics, the interior I have heard others complain about it. The engine is awesome, the little time I got to drive one. The seats are fine when I test drove it, but I am 5'10".
Questions though:
On the transmission, everyone happy with the performance?
On the interior, and finish, couldn't this be better?
Questions though:
On the transmission, everyone happy with the performance?
On the interior, and finish, couldn't this be better?
If those were the only two scenarios I could pick from, I know which I'd choose.
Just one other note...we're only paying (or paid) about US$60,000 for an AMG, for crying out loud. What do people expect??
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There's a difference, IMHO, between build quality and finishing. It's entirely possible to have a car that's built well, but doesn't use the absolute highest-standard of materials. The C63 (or C-class in general) is one of those cars. On the other hand, it's entirely possible to have cars that have interiors that look absolutely amazing, uitilizes materials that are appealing to the touch, but produces creaks and rattles after only 10,000 km of driving.
If those were the only two scenarios I could pick from, I know which I'd choose.
Just one other note...we're only paying (or paid) about US$60,000 for an AMG, for crying out loud. What do people expect??
If those were the only two scenarios I could pick from, I know which I'd choose.
Just one other note...we're only paying (or paid) about US$60,000 for an AMG, for crying out loud. What do people expect??
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$60,000 is a good chunk of change for a C-class. That's one point that I have to agree with the reviewer on. The quality of interior components in a C-class is no more impressive than a $20k VW. What a C63 buyer is really paying for is: 1. The engine, and 2. The AMG name. Interior quality was obviously not a big priority in stepping up from the base C-class models.
I suspect the C63 buyer is looking for more performance DNA than luxury DNA, at least at this price point.
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I suppose it depends on what the car buyer is looking for. $60,000 for a ballistic M156 engine that can easily be tuned to well over 500 horsepower in a tightly wrought body that handles gentle curves, sharp bends, and expansion joints all with equal aplomb, and still gives you MB panache...I think it's worth it...to me at least. I'm sure you could spend that much (or perhaps less) and get a car with more luxurious finishing, but it won't come with the nuclear powerplant of an engine that the C63 has.
I suspect the C63 buyer is looking for more performance DNA than luxury DNA, at least at this price point.
I suspect the C63 buyer is looking for more performance DNA than luxury DNA, at least at this price point.
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I agree with basically everything in the review, with the exception of his insistence of electronic shocks.
The C63 with a manual tranny and in coupe form would be about 100% better.
The C63 with a manual tranny and in coupe form would be about 100% better.
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I don't agree with either of you. A four door sedan was necessary to keep the cost in the rage of MB's other cars, CL, SL but still give it performace worthy of the AMG badge. They could have gone the CLK route for the coupe to get your 2-doors, I'm glad they didn't. The CLK Black was/is a special car, the "regular" CLK63 wasn't really a US car.
The price difference betwen a regular C and the C63 is the cost of the engine and trany. I would venture a guess that MB doesn't make a profit on our cars.
Performance MB's along with a LOT of other higher-end performance cars aren't about a manual transmissions any more. The only thing this car lacks IMHO is the '10 E-63's MCT.
The price difference betwen a regular C and the C63 is the cost of the engine and trany. I would venture a guess that MB doesn't make a profit on our cars.
Performance MB's along with a LOT of other higher-end performance cars aren't about a manual transmissions any more. The only thing this car lacks IMHO is the '10 E-63's MCT.
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What is he talking about? AMG's have been auto only for as long as I can remember. And what exactly dictates that they should go for every single variant possible like BMW with the M3? There's no C-class coupe and there's certainly no convertible C-class. Not yet anyway. Also, there's nothing half-hearted about the C63. AMG seems to have turned a page according to most reviews and from all angles, it seems they really have move in a new, fresher, younger direction. I find it refreshing that they haven't tried to make an M3 with another badge. It's still a Mercedes, still an AMG. And all the better for it.
No, they were driving the same car. They just knew how to adjust the seats. Dick.
And some dumb-a$$ friends. Perhaps you don't HAVE friends, which would explain the 15 'random' people.
Do they really do this? I have no experience with these new 'boxes, but that seems a silly way to go. If you are in 6th when you can actually be in 2nd then doesn't that mean you gearbox has done something really silly? If you're entering a (slow) corner how do you know when that shift is going to happen - and when it does, wouldn't that bog you down like crazy? Skip one gear sometimes, may be, but 4? What if you've clicked it one time too many by mistake? Dunno, may be that _does_ work in practice...
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wtf? how does one define 'available'? like, hold down the paddle and it automatically whops it in to a gear where the engine bangs away at redline?
How does that description of the esp actually bear any relation to how the transmission is infuriating?
It seems he'd be better satisfied with one of those woefully underpowered coupes as long as it has a nice interior - perhaps an Audi TT (normal version). Yes, the M3 has a better interior, but I certainly wouldn't say it's "light years" ahead. I think it's once again about your priorities. People put different values on different things, and I'm okay with that. What I certainly do not agree with are his comments which just seems to be a collection of random, unjustified complaints. Even the fact that he
Surely that's not particularly impartial? Particularly if he does this before the review (as seemingly implied)?
I know that there are equal amounts of +ve and -ve reviews of just about anything on the internet and no, I don't think the sun shines out of the C63's tailpipes. But seriously, this tripe on a website that calls itself "truth" about cars?
Mercedes’ decision to make the C63 auto-only is perplexing enough, but the fact that they also decided to ignore the rest of the M3 portfolio is truly baffling. Consider the competition: the M3 coupe and convertible [combined] outsell the M3 sedan almost five to one. This halfhearted approach to a hotly contested and prestige-generating segment truly defines the experience with the C63: you constantly feel like this could have been a great car.
I drove the C63 for two days, then re-read a number of reviews on the car. I figured there must be something wrong: they must have been driving a different car. The front seats in the C63 are epically uncomfortable yet no other review mentions this;......
I had no less than 15 random people try the seats, nobody found them pleasant to sit in.
if you are in 6th and want 2nd hear, just flip the paddle four times and most performance cars will shift directly from 6th to 2nd blipping the throttle only once in the process.
And
all you have to do is hold down the down paddle and “the transmission will shift to the lowest gear available.”
What makes the transmission all the more infuriating is how the car handles. There is zero drama at speed. The electronic nanny reels in the fun at all the right moments and, should you tell the nanny to pack it in for the day, you can burn out and do doughnuts to your heart’s content.
It seems he'd be better satisfied with one of those woefully underpowered coupes as long as it has a nice interior - perhaps an Audi TT (normal version). Yes, the M3 has a better interior, but I certainly wouldn't say it's "light years" ahead. I think it's once again about your priorities. People put different values on different things, and I'm okay with that. What I certainly do not agree with are his comments which just seems to be a collection of random, unjustified complaints. Even the fact that he
see(s) what likes and dislikes other reviewers had, and then see if those same issues bother [him] at all.
I know that there are equal amounts of +ve and -ve reviews of just about anything on the internet and no, I don't think the sun shines out of the C63's tailpipes. But seriously, this tripe on a website that calls itself "truth" about cars?
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i can't believe you guys are even bothering with this crap. I know what the car can do and what the car is worth, and i absolutely adore it. I think the car is worth every penny and therefore i dont even bother reading this kind of crap, specially from a person that dont even own this car!!!
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i can't believe you guys are even bothering with this crap. I know what the car can do and what the car is worth, and i absolutely adore it. I think the car is worth every penny and therefore i dont even bother reading this kind of crap, specially from a person that dont even own this car!!!
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Just one other note...we're only paying (or paid) about US$60,000 for an AMG, for crying out loud. What do people expect??[/QUOTE]
I could have not have said it any better!!! People think just because they are paying 60k they should get everything top notch. Its a 4 door sedan that can almost compete with supercars, and yet you are only paying 60k.
Just one other note...we're only paying (or paid) about US$60,000 for an AMG, for crying out loud. What do people expect??[/QUOTE]
I could have not have said it any better!!! People think just because they are paying 60k they should get everything top notch. Its a 4 door sedan that can almost compete with supercars, and yet you are only paying 60k.
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You want to down shift from 7th to 2nd? Put it in auto mode, and floor it.
Done deal.
Only thing I agreed on, is it should come in a coupe. The regular C class should too.
Done deal.
Only thing I agreed on, is it should come in a coupe. The regular C class should too.