What parameters does the MHP Tune for the Engine Control Unit really control?
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i have looked at all the tuner web sights on this forum as i want to modify my amg and so far theres only one that has products if you want to do more than a ecu upgrade but he seems to get run down all the time is this because his product is really that good?
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Powerchip is a strange company.
Initially i had a cordial and mutually beneficial relationship with Wayne Besanko However i then decided to remove my powerchip tune and go with vath and wanted to ship my ML63 ecu back to them to be flashed back to stock. i then received what i considered to be an insulting email from Wayne which i responded to in kind. At that point wayne directed one of his employees to send me a confidentiality 'agreement' which demanded that i would never speak, post or write the word "powerchip' ever again!! this is not a joke.
A full legal document was sent to me for signing, which even in the absence of my signature they considered 'binding'. While i might have only 3/4 of a law degree from the University of Queensland even i know no one is bound by an agreement they don't sign. The absurdity of it was beyond belief and one of the strangest thing i have ever encountered. I never responded to this garbage.
I decided i no longer wanted anything to do with that business and my ECU was sent to Vath in Germany who wiped it clean. They then let me know that they found some strange device soldered onto it by powerchip and almost damaged it. They removed this piece of rogue hardware for me
Strange strange strange
I am a professional business man i will be damned if i am going to be dealt with the way they dealt with me.
Initially i had a cordial and mutually beneficial relationship with Wayne Besanko However i then decided to remove my powerchip tune and go with vath and wanted to ship my ML63 ecu back to them to be flashed back to stock. i then received what i considered to be an insulting email from Wayne which i responded to in kind. At that point wayne directed one of his employees to send me a confidentiality 'agreement' which demanded that i would never speak, post or write the word "powerchip' ever again!! this is not a joke.
A full legal document was sent to me for signing, which even in the absence of my signature they considered 'binding'. While i might have only 3/4 of a law degree from the University of Queensland even i know no one is bound by an agreement they don't sign. The absurdity of it was beyond belief and one of the strangest thing i have ever encountered. I never responded to this garbage.
I decided i no longer wanted anything to do with that business and my ECU was sent to Vath in Germany who wiped it clean. They then let me know that they found some strange device soldered onto it by powerchip and almost damaged it. They removed this piece of rogue hardware for me
Strange strange strange
I am a professional business man i will be damned if i am going to be dealt with the way they dealt with me.
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The software my tuner uses allows us to change shift points, i know this because we did it together. We can change shift points for each gear via the ecu, how ever i do not know about tcu tuning. We have never touched the tcu though.
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Hi Jerry,
Thanks for posting and being honest about what you can and can't do.
I can confirm that your skill set that you indicate is exactly the same as Powerchips.
That is not to say both Powerchip and Eurocharged modify exactly the same maps, I'm sure we don't. I'm saying Powerchip can't reprogram the TCU by programming the engine ECU. No tuner can, it's impossible.
Your reply is the reason why I started this thread, because when MHP say the ECU tune they buy from Europe for a 63 is remapping the TCU on a 7 speed auto, it is a lie.
Obviously, it makes it an unfair playing field when a competitor tells deliberate and intentional lies in order to try to create a false competitive advantage.
There are people posting in this thread that have not disclosed that they are directly or indirectly associated with a competitor.
I have asked Internet Brands to look into this and hope that the discussion can return to the topic of MHP's 63 ECU/TCU and "CDT".
Thanks again for being a professional competitor and telling the truth.
I just wish Andy from MHP would stop trying to create an overall impression about being able to reprogram the TCU on a 7 speed auto.
He hasn't. He can't. His secret tuner hasn't and can't.
Thanks for posting and being honest about what you can and can't do.
I can confirm that your skill set that you indicate is exactly the same as Powerchips.
That is not to say both Powerchip and Eurocharged modify exactly the same maps, I'm sure we don't. I'm saying Powerchip can't reprogram the TCU by programming the engine ECU. No tuner can, it's impossible.
Your reply is the reason why I started this thread, because when MHP say the ECU tune they buy from Europe for a 63 is remapping the TCU on a 7 speed auto, it is a lie.
Obviously, it makes it an unfair playing field when a competitor tells deliberate and intentional lies in order to try to create a false competitive advantage.
There are people posting in this thread that have not disclosed that they are directly or indirectly associated with a competitor.
I have asked Internet Brands to look into this and hope that the discussion can return to the topic of MHP's 63 ECU/TCU and "CDT".
Thanks again for being a professional competitor and telling the truth.
I just wish Andy from MHP would stop trying to create an overall impression about being able to reprogram the TCU on a 7 speed auto.
He hasn't. He can't. His secret tuner hasn't and can't.
Since this was your thread, I feel compelled to ask you the question that I asked Jerry above.
Why don't YOU tell us what can an can not be done from the ECU in regards to the TCU/tranny?
I don't feel it is fair for Jerry to answer this one as YOU were the one that started this issue.
So, what can Powerchip do at the ECU?
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So, what can Powerchip do at the ECU?[/QUOTE]
I will get the techs to prepare a summary and post it late afternoon.
I will probably post what we do as a seperate thread, this thread is really about what MHP do or say they can do.
But I agree it's of interest that we say what we can do.
I will get the techs to prepare a summary and post it late afternoon.
I will probably post what we do as a seperate thread, this thread is really about what MHP do or say they can do.
But I agree it's of interest that we say what we can do.
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This thread is a complete FAIL. You will never see tuning companies like Kleemann or RennTech make this type of accusing threads about other companies. So regarding the subject, I was confirmed by a certified Mercedes tech a long time ago that there is no way in hell that someone or any tuning company can tune or modify the TCU via the ECU as the TCU (transmission control unit) must be accessed separately. But again people believe whatever they want. If MHP advertises their tune as ECU/TCU and people pay for it, it is their problem. Now for another vendor like Powerchip to come here and criticize or flame another tuner is simply unethical and shows the lack of professionalism Powerchip has.
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This thread is a complete FAIL. You will never see tuning companies like Kleemann or RennTech make this type of accusing threads about other companies. So regarding the subject, I was confirmed by a certified Mercedes tech a long time ago that there is no way in hell that someone or any tuning company can tune or modify the TCU via the ECU as the TCU (transmission control unit) must be accessed separately. But again people believe whatever they want. If MHP advertises their tune as ECU/TCU and people pay for it, it is their problem. Now for another vendor like Powerchip to come here and criticize or flame another tuner is simply unethical and shows the lack of professionalism Powerchip has.
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I believe someone mentioned this earlier, but you know who I really kinda feel sorry for, through all this? evosport. Because if PC goes berserk and acts wildly childish and unprofessional against various competitors of theirs (how many people have recently posted "given what I've seen, I would never use Powerchip." - a dozen or more?), it almost has to negatively impact evosport, even though they're not involved in the misbehavior. A shame, too, because I think evosport does a good job for the MB/AMG aftermarket.
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Regardless if MHP can tune he TCU or not, their tune still squashes yours. I consider TCU tuning to be raising shift points/rev limiters, increasing shift firmness/quickness, maybe increasing torque loads. BTW I have a kleemann tune that I am really happy with.
I've also learned in business never worry about what or try to outdo what your competitor is doing because you'll lose your identity and success in the process. At the end of the day, looks like powerchip is losing.
I've also learned in business never worry about what or try to outdo what your competitor is doing because you'll lose your identity and success in the process. At the end of the day, looks like powerchip is losing.
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Powerchip is a strange company.
Initially i had a cordial and mutually beneficial relationship with Wayne Besanko However i then decided to remove my powerchip tune and go with vath and wanted to ship my ML63 ecu back to them to be flashed back to stock. i then received what i considered to be an insulting email from Wayne which i responded to in kind. At that point wayne directed one of his employees to send me a confidentiality 'agreement' which demanded that i would never speak, post or write the word "powerchip' ever again!! this is not a joke.
A full legal document was sent to me for signing, which even in the absence of my signature they considered 'binding'. While i might have only 3/4 of a law degree from the University of Queensland even i know no one is bound by an agreement they don't sign. The absurdity of it was beyond belief and one of the strangest thing i have ever encountered. I never responded to this garbage.
I decided i no longer wanted anything to do with that business and my ECU was sent to Vath in Germany who wiped it clean. They then let me know that they found some strange device soldered onto it by powerchip and almost damaged it. They removed this piece of rogue hardware for me
Strange strange strange
I am a professional business man i will be damned if i am going to be dealt with the way they dealt with me.
Initially i had a cordial and mutually beneficial relationship with Wayne Besanko However i then decided to remove my powerchip tune and go with vath and wanted to ship my ML63 ecu back to them to be flashed back to stock. i then received what i considered to be an insulting email from Wayne which i responded to in kind. At that point wayne directed one of his employees to send me a confidentiality 'agreement' which demanded that i would never speak, post or write the word "powerchip' ever again!! this is not a joke.
A full legal document was sent to me for signing, which even in the absence of my signature they considered 'binding'. While i might have only 3/4 of a law degree from the University of Queensland even i know no one is bound by an agreement they don't sign. The absurdity of it was beyond belief and one of the strangest thing i have ever encountered. I never responded to this garbage.
I decided i no longer wanted anything to do with that business and my ECU was sent to Vath in Germany who wiped it clean. They then let me know that they found some strange device soldered onto it by powerchip and almost damaged it. They removed this piece of rogue hardware for me
Strange strange strange
I am a professional business man i will be damned if i am going to be dealt with the way they dealt with me.
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I believe someone mentioned this earlier, but you know who I really kinda feel sorry for, through all this? evosport. Because if PC goes berserk and acts wildly childish and unprofessional against various competitors of theirs (how many people have recently posted "given what I've seen, I would never use Powerchip." - a dozen or more?), it almost has to negatively impact evosport, even though they're not involved in the misbehavior. A shame, too, because I think evosport does a good job for the MB/AMG aftermarket.
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So, what can Powerchip do at the ECU?
I will get the techs to prepare a summary and post it late afternoon.
I will probably post what we do as a seperate thread, this thread is really about what MHP do or say they can do.
But I agree it's of interest that we say what we can do.
I will get the techs to prepare a summary and post it late afternoon.
I will probably post what we do as a seperate thread, this thread is really about what MHP do or say they can do.
But I agree it's of interest that we say what we can do.
I dont care what MHP calls their tuning now more than ever. They could call it cat litter and I would still buy it over your product because of customer results over what you offer and especially after this thread. In case you were wondering my car is 100% stock and until I decide what route to go will stay that way so no fanboy here.
Why dont I care what you can do. Because you have no customer results to prove it. I dont take tuners words for things, I look for non related people using the products. You are a huge company but there are no good results for anything you do for these cars how can that be?
so cry some more about having someone in adminitration look into members because they wont give you their home address while you sit here and slam another business into the ground and attack another members child and ignore a thread and website where you could address them directly and are even reading their thread but not responding. Sad angry man.
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You know when you have an idea in your mind that something exists in a certain way and then reality comes along and it turns out to be completely opposite of what you thought?
Yeah... that.
This thread should have been closed 4 pages ago. I got an infraction for posting a pic from the movie Cannon Ball Run , I cant imagine calling out another sponsor is tolerated.
Yeah... that.
This thread should have been closed 4 pages ago. I got an infraction for posting a pic from the movie Cannon Ball Run , I cant imagine calling out another sponsor is tolerated.
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I believe someone mentioned this earlier, but you know who I really kinda feel sorry for, through all this? evosport. Because if PC goes berserk and acts wildly childish and unprofessional against various competitors of theirs (how many people have recently posted "given what I've seen, I would never use Powerchip." - a dozen or more?), it almost has to negatively impact evosport, even though they're not involved in the misbehavior. A shame, too, because I think evosport does a good job for the MB/AMG aftermarket.
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ones too fast according to CHP!
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Listen - All please CALM down. A Sponsor of this site (you know, the ones that PAY for you to all be able to post here) started a thread asking for a technical discussion. This turned into a flame war. I have attempted to moderate what I can without taking out too much that could relate at all, but some of you shoudl be ashamed of yourself for your behaviour. We are not children, so let's not act that way.
Was this thread a good idea? Well we all have our own thoughts on that one. I think it was not the best, but it is not for me, you or any user to voice that or care - a sponsor started a thread asking for technical data or real experiences. A mature discussion could have and in some posts did ensue - can we get back on topic?
Specifically some points:
You know very well that Powerchip had nothing to do with Andy's status on this site. That was MHP and Andy's doing on his own. The decision was 100% Internet Brand's (I know this as I was cc'ed on ALL the discussion and emails between IB and Andy as I am the admin and one of the site founders - this is not hearsay).
Admin here now. I cannot tell you why a moderator did not jump in before. I have known about this thread for 3 days or so, but have not had ANY time to look. I would have hoped our moderation staff would have jumped in, I will talk to them.
As for the need to moderate the OP, that is not accurate. There is nothing wrong with the initial post from a TOU perspective.
The site owner will most likley never that happen due to situations taht occured and MHP's reaction/tact in dealing with them. They are dealing with the consequences of their own actions with regards to IB sites.
There was a lengthy discussion on this, FYI, on many threads. It is fair to say it never occured, but not that it was not replied to.
Apparently you have some knowledge that I as Admin do not? Please feel free to share. Powerchip is clearly a sponsor on this site.
You must realize that only like 1% of AMG owners ever go to the track, right? It is very nieve to think that dragtimes is the complete indicator of anything (good or bad) for any tuning company. In this industry, vendors deal with niche markets. Clearly MHP focusses on the 1/4 mile market. That is great for them, but that is not a stamp against ANY other tuner/vendor.
Again - KEEP IT ON TOPIC!
Listen - All please CALM down. A Sponsor of this site (you know, the ones that PAY for you to all be able to post here) started a thread asking for a technical discussion. This turned into a flame war. I have attempted to moderate what I can without taking out too much that could relate at all, but some of you shoudl be ashamed of yourself for your behaviour. We are not children, so let's not act that way.
Was this thread a good idea? Well we all have our own thoughts on that one. I think it was not the best, but it is not for me, you or any user to voice that or care - a sponsor started a thread asking for technical data or real experiences. A mature discussion could have and in some posts did ensue - can we get back on topic?
Specifically some points:
You know very well that Powerchip had nothing to do with Andy's status on this site. That was MHP and Andy's doing on his own. The decision was 100% Internet Brand's (I know this as I was cc'ed on ALL the discussion and emails between IB and Andy as I am the admin and one of the site founders - this is not hearsay).
You are a sponsor and obviously not a very intelligent one if you are starting a thread that ask a question that the individual that can answer can't post. Go to another forum where he can answer you. You've already been banned from bimmerboost so why start trouble here?? Why hide behind a forum that will protect you from him replying?? Whats the point and I sincerely hope it gets deleted. Where's the moderator when we need one??
As for the need to moderate the OP, that is not accurate. There is nothing wrong with the initial post from a TOU perspective.
Again - KEEP IT ON TOPIC!
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None fast enough!
Exactly my man. I look at evosport and see a company with good products, all kinds of products from carbon fiber roofs and lighter brake rotors to things like titanium brake shims that noone else makes. Then I look at powerchip and wonder why they would even associate with someone like that?
You may dislike some or all of the staff at Powerchip (as you may not like the staff at evosport, MHP, Renntech, etc - this is personal preference), but the performance is there in the product.
thanks
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Was this thread a good idea? Well we all have our own thoughts on that one. I think it was not the best, but it is not for me, you or any user to voice that or care - a sponsor started a thread asking for technical data or real experiences.
As for the need to moderate the OP, that is not accurate. There is nothing wrong with the initial post from a TOU perspective.
As for the need to moderate the OP, that is not accurate. There is nothing wrong with the initial post from a TOU perspective.
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ones too fast according to CHP!
Have not seen a PM - will look.
However, this is nowhere near IP theft or piracy with regards to the original post. Asking for a techical discussion on what can or is being done is not even close to theft. Even if particulars were given, that would not cross the lines as it is impossible to translate words into computer code. See what I mean? If data-stream was asked for or taken, that is a very different story.
thanks
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However, this is nowhere near IP theft or piracy with regards to the original post. Asking for a techical discussion on what can or is being done is not even close to theft. Even if particulars were given, that would not cross the lines as it is impossible to translate words into computer code. See what I mean? If data-stream was asked for or taken, that is a very different story.
thanks
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Apparently you have some knowledge that I as Admin do not? Please feel free to share. Powerchip is clearly a sponsor on this site.
You must realize that only like 1% of AMG owners ever go to the track, right? It is very nieve to think that dragtimes is the complete indicator of anything (good or bad) for any tuning company. In this industry, vendors deal with niche markets. Clearly MHP focusses on the 1/4 mile market. That is great for them, but that is not a stamp against ANY other tuner/vendor.
Again - KEEP IT ON TOPIC!
You must realize that only like 1% of AMG owners ever go to the track, right? It is very nieve to think that dragtimes is the complete indicator of anything (good or bad) for any tuning company. In this industry, vendors deal with niche markets. Clearly MHP focusses on the 1/4 mile market. That is great for them, but that is not a stamp against ANY other tuner/vendor.
Again - KEEP IT ON TOPIC!
1% of AMG owners may go to the track but not all are MPH customers in fact they seem like a smaller outfit. Other larger tuners must have as many if not more customers racing just not posting results. I think Dads car and others do more than perform at the 1/4 strip like VBox standing mile but I dont want anymore infraction points for "advertising" even though my car is stock.
If no one is allowed to talk about MPH products then why not post it as a sticky so we know that coming in?? Im not a mindreader!
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ones too fast according to CHP!
1% of AMG owners may go to the track but not all are MPH customers in fact they seem like a smaller outfit. Other larger tuners must have as many if not more customers racing just not posting results.
I think Dads car and others do more than perform at the 1/4 strip like VBox standing mile but I dont want anymore infraction points for "advertising" even though my car is stock.
If no one is allowed to talk about MPH products then why not post it as a sticky so we know that coming in?? Im not a mindreader!
thanks
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Wow. This is a complete FAIL. But for TCMs I was looking at Kleeman's website yesterday and they have something for this maybe. It says though that it's mainly for the 5 speed automatics instead of the 7 speeds in the C63.
Here's the link: http://www.kleemann.dk/Performance/P...uUpgrades.aspx
Here's the link: http://www.kleemann.dk/Performance/P...uUpgrades.aspx
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So, what can Powerchip do at the ECU?
I will get the techs to prepare a summary and post it late afternoon.
I will probably post what we do as a seperate thread, this thread is really about what MHP do or say they can do.
But I agree it's of interest that we say what we can do.
I will get the techs to prepare a summary and post it late afternoon.
I will probably post what we do as a seperate thread, this thread is really about what MHP do or say they can do.
But I agree it's of interest that we say what we can do.
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It never happens! Just like anyone with there tune showing to a track rental or posting anything good about there tunes! I think this thread was on the third page and dieing fast let's not bring it back to life!! See you friday we can test the Mhp products??? Again!!!!