Jons95c36amg 2009 C63 Vs ProPain's 2010 C63
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I would be interested to see the AFRs of others who have performed the flap mod.
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My uneducated guess would be lean and that is only based on my hypothesis that a flap mod would run lean because there is less amount of air flow being read by the MAF and ECU is not shooting more fuel for the additional air. If you look at the flap mod, the area you cut is under the MAF, so air would flow under/around it (path of least resistance). Look at the "ROW" and uncut airbox and you would see that the air stream flows through the MAF (MAF is completely shrouded by the air tube). Again, this is just my uneducated hypothesis. The lack of a CEL has me curious. But isn't a CEL triggered by a sensor reading and if the additional air is not read, then no CEL???
I would be interested to see the AFRs of others who have performed the flap mod.
I would be interested to see the AFRs of others who have performed the flap mod.
Blue is the baseline (OEtunin+aiboxmod+K&N) and red is the (OEtunin+aiboxmod+K&N+Kleeman headers). See chart: https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...e63-img002.jpg
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I do have the same airbox mod on my E63 and my AFRs start out in the high 14s and go down to the 13-13.1 at WOT. See charts, th einteresting thing is that I was dynoing 424 SAE with OEtunin+aiboxmod+K&N, and lost 15Hp at 409 after the Kleeman headers (I am still working with Cory/Kleeman to figure this one out). Blue is the baseline (OEtunin+aiboxmod+K&N) and red is the
(OEtunin+aiboxmod+K&N+Kleeman headers). See chart: https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...e63-img002.jpg
Blue is the baseline (OEtunin+aiboxmod+K&N) and red is the (OEtunin+aiboxmod+K&N+Kleeman headers). See chart: https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...e63-img002.jpg
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My uneducated guess would be lean and that is only based on my hypothesis that a flap mod would run lean because there is less amount of air flow being read by the MAF and ECU is not shooting more fuel for the additional air. If you look at the flap mod, the area you cut is under the MAF, so air would flow under/around it (path of least resistance). Look at the "ROW" and uncut airbox and you would see that the air stream flows through the MAF (MAF is completely shrouded by the air tube). Again, this is just my uneducated hypothesis. The lack of a CEL has me curious. But isn't a CEL triggered by a sensor reading and if the additional air is not read, then no CEL???
I would be interested to see the AFRs of others who have performed the flap mod.
I would be interested to see the AFRs of others who have performed the flap mod.
I do have the same airbox mod on my E63 and my AFRs start out in the high 14s and go down to the 13-13.1 at WOT. See charts, th einteresting thing is that I was dynoing 424 SAE with OEtunin+aiboxmod+K&N, and lost 15Hp at 409 after the Kleeman headers (I am still working with Cory/Kleeman to figure this one out). Blue is the baseline (OEtunin+aiboxmod+K&N) and red is the
(OEtunin+aiboxmod+K&N+Kleeman headers). See chart: https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...e63-img002.jpg
Blue is the baseline (OEtunin+aiboxmod+K&N) and red is the (OEtunin+aiboxmod+K&N+Kleeman headers). See chart: https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...e63-img002.jpg
Something is up with your car bro. What are your numbers with the Kleeman tune?
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I do have the same airbox mod on my E63 and my AFRs start out in the high 14s and go down to the 13-13.1 at WOT. See charts, th einteresting thing is that I was dynoing 424 SAE with OEtunin+aiboxmod+K&N, and lost 15Hp at 409 after the Kleeman headers (I am still working with Cory/Kleeman to figure this one out). Blue is the baseline (OEtunin+aiboxmod+K&N) and red is the
(OEtunin+aiboxmod+K&N+Kleeman headers). See chart: https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...e63-img002.jpg
Blue is the baseline (OEtunin+aiboxmod+K&N) and red is the (OEtunin+aiboxmod+K&N+Kleeman headers). See chart: https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...e63-img002.jpg
Here is my sheet (K1, ROW, K&N): https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...-k-ns-dyno.jpg
As for your Kleemann manifolds, perhaps you need a different file from OE?
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Jon is a clown. You guys nd to stop giving him advice on what to do with his car and how to drive it. He will try to twist things and use it against u at the faintest little success. He's very delusional to say the least.
While everyone tries to have fun he comes on here running his mouth. He does it every time without fail. Iv'e beaten every car he's ever owned. And he called me out eac time.
Don't fd the monster, just starve him off.
Jon anytime u r ready to run me with your CLK55 let me know.
While everyone tries to have fun he comes on here running his mouth. He does it every time without fail. Iv'e beaten every car he's ever owned. And he called me out eac time.
Don't fd the monster, just starve him off.
Jon anytime u r ready to run me with your CLK55 let me know.
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Look at Albert's power curve. It starts flattening out drastically up top which is possibly caused by flow/leak issues on the header-side. I am also curious if you got re-flashed with a tune for headers or if you are on the same tune-only flash.
Forgive me if my suggestions don't pertain to this car or tune. I'm not a C63 owner, so I can only speculate at this time.
Forgive me if my suggestions don't pertain to this car or tune. I'm not a C63 owner, so I can only speculate at this time.
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No pro here but I intalled my headers and I had a leak.. It's something that is extremely noticeable.. I was about 1.5 turns off in 1 bolt and it was very loud smoke came out.. Twisted the bolt!!! Perfect... I wouldn't be suprised if those headers show zero gains they look extreamly week!
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Look at Albert's power curve. It starts flattening out drastically up top which is possibly caused by flow/leak issues on the header-side. I am also curious if you got re-flashed with a tune for headers or if you are on the same tune-only flash.
Forgive me if my suggestions don't pertain to this car or tune. I'm not a C63 owner, so I can only speculate at this time.
Forgive me if my suggestions don't pertain to this car or tune. I'm not a C63 owner, so I can only speculate at this time.
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No pro here but I intalled my headers and I had a leak.. It's something that is extremely noticeable.. I was about 1.5 turns off in 1 bolt and it was very loud smoke came out.. Twisted the bolt!!! Perfect... I wouldn't be suprised if those headers show zero gains they look extreamly week!
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So you are running just a tad lean or is the sweet spot at 13.1 like Propain said?
Here is my sheet (K1, ROW, K&N): https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...-k-ns-dyno.jpg
As for your Kleemann manifolds, perhaps you need a different file from OE?
Here is my sheet (K1, ROW, K&N): https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...-k-ns-dyno.jpg
As for your Kleemann manifolds, perhaps you need a different file from OE?
Nice Chart and curve. Looks very close looking to my best run.
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