Jons95c36amg 2009 C63 Vs ProPain's 2010 C63
11-29-2010, 03:05 PM
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Add to that K&N's and you have a better breathing car; especially because [these] cars (OE-tuned) are tuned to open the throttle blades more, which should increase the need for a more free flowing air intake.
Regarding CEL's when removing charcoals or adding new filters, it must vary from car-to-car because I can't seem to get a CEL on my car because of filters and I've removed and installed the filters like 5 times -- no CEL's. I'm very careful on how I seat the filters and install the air box into the "Y" openings. I also disconnect the MAF sensors for about 5-10 mins before connecting them back. Not sure if that helps.
11-29-2010, 03:25 PM
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I do have the same airbox mod on my E63 and my AFRs start out in the high 14s and go down to the 13-13.1 at WOT. See charts, th einteresting thing is that I was dynoing 424 SAE with OEtunin+aiboxmod+K&N, and lost 15Hp at 409 after the Kleeman headers (I am still working with Cory/Kleeman to figure this one out).
Blue is the baseline (OEtunin+aiboxmod+K&N) and red is the
(OEtunin+aiboxmod+K&N+Kleeman headers). See chart: https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...e63-img002.jpg
Blue is the baseline (OEtunin+aiboxmod+K&N) and red is the (OEtunin+aiboxmod+K&N+Kleeman headers). See chart: https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...e63-img002.jpg
I would be more interested in the loss of torque in the meat of the powerband, right where the 63's torque really begins to pull.
11-29-2010, 03:32 PM
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Seems like you lost closer to 10 rwhp near redline. That last spike at the end of the "blue" run shouldn't count, it's likely not real power, just a common occurrence with dynos.
I would be more interested in the loss of torque in the meat of the powerband, right where the 63's torque really begins to pull.
I would be more interested in the loss of torque in the meat of the powerband, right where the 63's torque really begins to pull.
11-29-2010, 03:32 PM
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The torque curve looks kind of strange though. I'm not a tuner but I would ask to see if that line could be straightened out.
11-29-2010, 03:33 PM
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In my opinion the power loss up top is rather insignificant and it could be a result of changes in weather from one dyno to the next, quality of fuel, how much timing your car is advancing, how you have been driving your car up until that point.
The torque curve looks kind of strange though. I'm not a tuner but I would ask to see if that line could be straightened out.
The torque curve looks kind of strange though. I'm not a tuner but I would ask to see if that line could be straightened out.
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11-29-2010, 04:45 PM
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All runs were on the same dyno (dynojet), same shop. The second (power loss) was done on a colder day (65F vs 55F). Agreed the torque curve is kind of strange, not sure why. Also keep in mind that both runs were SAE corrected, which should in theory correct for environment and make numbers comparable.
11-29-2010, 04:53 PM
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The 18th itself is bad for me, thats when MIR is setup for so i wanted to see if we can get something around those days at atco..it falls on a saturday which is test and tune day at atco, so it has to be on a week day..
11-29-2010, 05:33 PM
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02 CLK 55 AMG,09 C63 loaded with P30
Jon is a clown. You guys nd to stop giving him advice on what to do with his car and how to drive it. He will try to twist things and use it against u at the faintest little success. He's very delusional to say the least.
While everyone tries to have fun he comes on here running his mouth. He does it every time without fail. Iv'e beaten every car he's ever owned. And he called me out eac time.
Don't fd the monster, just starve him off.
Jon anytime u r ready to run me with your CLK55 let me know.
While everyone tries to have fun he comes on here running his mouth. He does it every time without fail. Iv'e beaten every car he's ever owned. And he called me out eac time.
Don't fd the monster, just starve him off.
Jon anytime u r ready to run me with your CLK55 let me know.
Need my attention? Yes I run my mouth and keep on doing it. So take your monster
c55 and try my slow c63 if you dare Also keep on dreaming about your proj talon to get it working. In the mean time I will be enjoying my c63 and loving every minute of it! 
11-29-2010, 05:38 PM
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No pro here but I intalled my headers and I had a leak.. It's something that is extremely noticeable.. I was about 1.5 turns off in 1 bolt and it was very loud smoke came out.. Twisted the bolt!!! Perfect... I wouldn't be suprised if those headers show zero gains they look extreamly week!
11-29-2010, 05:54 PM
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I think this has to do with whether the car has charcoals or not. Looking at charcoals and how they fit in the air intake system for the 63's, it seems like the car that doesn't have the charcoals will breath better.
Add to that K&N's and you have a better breathing car; especially because [these] cars (OE-tuned) are tuned to open the throttle blades more, which should increase the need for a more free flowing air intake.
Regarding CEL's when removing charcoals or adding new filters, it must vary from car-to-car because I can't seem to get a CEL on my car because of filters and I've removed and installed the filters like 5 times -- no CEL's. I'm very careful on how I seat the filters and install the air box into the "Y" openings. I also disconnect the MAF sensors for about 5-10 mins before connecting them back. Not sure if that helps.
Add to that K&N's and you have a better breathing car; especially because [these] cars (OE-tuned) are tuned to open the throttle blades more, which should increase the need for a more free flowing air intake.
Regarding CEL's when removing charcoals or adding new filters, it must vary from car-to-car because I can't seem to get a CEL on my car because of filters and I've removed and installed the filters like 5 times -- no CEL's. I'm very careful on how I seat the filters and install the air box into the "Y" openings. I also disconnect the MAF sensors for about 5-10 mins before connecting them back. Not sure if that helps.
Oh and yes I checked the tightenness of screws. Also going by the AFR now its a very healthy 12.8-12.9-just right.
11-29-2010, 06:08 PM
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But, it's not just making sure the screws are tight. The filters need to seat properly. The seals around the edges need to remain as flush as possible. The toughest part -- which isn't really that tough -- is making sure the corner of the filters and boxtops that is closest to the "Y" opening on each side sits right. You really have to bend down and look very closely to see what I'm talking about. A flashlight helps. Because the corners that I'm talking about cannot be seen without a very close inspection and those are the corners that are the hardest to seat. Anyway, it doesn't sound like you need to remove the charcoals because your car traps high mph, so it's powerful. Congrats.
Your AFR sounds like it's right where it's supposed to be. Very nice.
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11-29-2010, 06:33 PM
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It's not that weird. When I first got this car, I was told by an experienced Mercedes performance company that "everyone" gets a CEL when they touch the carbon filters. So, I was pleasantly surprised that my car does not show CEL's or internal codes from changing filters.
But, it's not just making sure the screws are tight. The filters need to seat properly. The seals around the edges need to remain as flush as possible. The toughest part -- which isn't really that tough -- is making sure the corner of the filters and boxtops that is closest to the "Y" opening on each side sits right. You really have to bend down and look very closely to see what I'm talking about. A flashlight helps. Because the corners that I'm talking about cannot be seen without a very close inspection and those are the corners that are the hardest to seat. Anyway, it doesn't sound like you need to remove the charcoals because your car traps high mph, so it's powerful. Congrats.
Your AFR sounds like it's right where it's supposed to be. Very nice.
But, it's not just making sure the screws are tight. The filters need to seat properly. The seals around the edges need to remain as flush as possible. The toughest part -- which isn't really that tough -- is making sure the corner of the filters and boxtops that is closest to the "Y" opening on each side sits right. You really have to bend down and look very closely to see what I'm talking about. A flashlight helps. Because the corners that I'm talking about cannot be seen without a very close inspection and those are the corners that are the hardest to seat. Anyway, it doesn't sound like you need to remove the charcoals because your car traps high mph, so it's powerful. Congrats.
Your AFR sounds like it's right where it's supposed to be. Very nice.
11-29-2010, 06:43 PM
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This stuff is too funny. No matter what happens he has something to say.
But come spring time game on!
11-29-2010, 06:47 PM
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I will be glad when this race is done and over-with. No more talking, just race, record it, and post up vid's. That should end all the back and forth, and emo posts.
11-29-2010, 06:55 PM
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11-29-2010, 06:59 PM
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Thus race will never end unless jon wins??we should all race him and let him win!! Then it might end
