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Also please remember that it is hard enough to compare runs from the same track on two different days let alone from two different tracks on two different days. I'm sure many factors played into these results: weather, track conditions, more dialed in tune, better driving (Mike seems to be getting better and better everytime out), and of course, more miles on the car. The 63 seems to open up a lot after 10,000 miles.
4 MPH increase in trap speed is huge though considering how consistent Mikes car runs.
Id like to know his secrets however if it isn't mods!
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he started running he was trapping 127 the better his 60 foot was getting the better his trap speed was getting thats the secret 60 foot
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Ok 4 MPH... Thats a nice consistent gain from his last runs. What are you trapping? His light weight mods maybe save 70lb's. So his car is a freak?? Arent you running the same mods minus the weight reduction?
This isnt to take away from his times... but 10.8 at 131 on a tune + Headers? Dad's did a NOS shot WITH light weight mods and the same tune + headers and only did 10.9. The DA wasnt great though...
One thing I learned in drag racing... everyone is full of it. Swear up and down... look under the hood... Ohhhhhhh... there it is....
Again. this isnt taking away from the time at all. Its still NA and its awesome, I just think he did something since his last ATCO run... We will never know.. your right.
This isnt to take away from his times... but 10.8 at 131 on a tune + Headers? Dad's did a NOS shot WITH light weight mods and the same tune + headers and only did 10.9. The DA wasnt great though...
One thing I learned in drag racing... everyone is full of it. Swear up and down... look under the hood... Ohhhhhhh... there it is....
Again. this isnt taking away from the time at all. Its still NA and its awesome, I just think he did something since his last ATCO run... We will never know.. your right.
maybe someone can clarify this..after being out there with this guy once again there is no doubt in mind this car has no sneaky pete in there You guys are seating home happy about dyno #'s and street races you might have had while these guys are doing everything possible not only to make these events possible but to modify their setup for their next track day..then the same envious remarks start poping up!!
His new drag radials alone help his MPH..
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Correct me if im wrong! i asked this question when he broke his previous record (fastest N/A NO Nitrous) Curious once again..........is there a way for a car that is being sprayed 100-125 shot to make 30 passes in a day most of them hotlapping without blowing up? have never witnessed that maybe someone can clarify this..after being out there with this guy once again there is no doubt in mind this car has no sneaky pete in there
You guys are seating home happy about dyno #'s and street races you might have had while these guys are doing everything possible not only to make these events possible but to modify their setup for their next track day..then the same envious remarks start poping up!!
His new drag radials alone help his MPH..
maybe someone can clarify this..after being out there with this guy once again there is no doubt in mind this car has no sneaky pete in there You guys are seating home happy about dyno #'s and street races you might have had while these guys are doing everything possible not only to make these events possible but to modify their setup for their next track day..then the same envious remarks start poping up!!
His new drag radials alone help his MPH..
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Correct me if im wrong! i asked this question when he broke his previous record (fastest N/A NO Nitrous) Curious once again..........is there a way for a car that is being sprayed 100-125 shot to make 30 passes in a day most of them hotlapping without blowing up? have never witnessed that maybe someone can clarify this..after being out there with this guy once again there is no doubt in mind this car has no sneaky pete in there
You guys are seating home happy about dyno #'s and street races you might have had while these guys are doing everything possible not only to make these events possible but to modify their setup for their next track day..then the same envious remarks start poping up!!
His new drag radials alone help his MPH..
maybe someone can clarify this..after being out there with this guy once again there is no doubt in mind this car has no sneaky pete in there You guys are seating home happy about dyno #'s and street races you might have had while these guys are doing everything possible not only to make these events possible but to modify their setup for their next track day..then the same envious remarks start poping up!!
His new drag radials alone help his MPH..
LOL.. I love this forum.. The track guys are the only ones who get to speak or have an opinion... the rest of us are just sitting home on our couches...
I speak from track experience LOCO. Maybe not with my C63 but ive been down that 1/4 many many many times.
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Hagi tx for that Cappuccino at your place ***** was bangin'
Could have used another one driving back, as i almost hit the wall driving back..
Mike's traps-
became higher as the ECU adapted, and the new wheels are a plus any day
tx for the help as pit crew and camera man
wish i could've stayed longer but my kid had some issues on his 2nd day of school and really that messed me up..but oh wellGreat being there to witness those record runs, but excitementwise nothing beats the first 10.94
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[quote=propain;4448033]I didnt say he was running NOS...
" This isnt to take away from his times... but 10.8 at 131 on a tune + Headers? Dad's did a NOS shot WITH light weight mods and the same tune + headers and only did 10.9"
I dont doubt your previous track experience but these are different animals when it comes to the track...so since you have not experienced it with these animals so your comments may surprise you in the future with your own car...just not sure if you have Mikes Heart andd *****
63 cars get faster times after the 4th and 5th back to back passes when my force inducted can only do 2 or 3 tops..First and sec. being the fastest.
" This isnt to take away from his times... but 10.8 at 131 on a tune + Headers? Dad's did a NOS shot WITH light weight mods and the same tune + headers and only did 10.9"
I dont doubt your previous track experience but these are different animals when it comes to the track...so since you have not experienced it with these animals so your comments may surprise you in the future with your own car...just not sure if you have Mikes Heart andd ***** 63 cars get faster times after the 4th and 5th back to back passes when my force inducted can only do 2 or 3 tops..First and sec. being the fastest.
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However, I think Jon with the OE tune had his best trap time with his worst 60'.
Maybe with more power it flips. Im curious as to why. Of course ive seen it improve on FWD cars. The better the 60' on those usually the better the traps and ET's.
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I just dont have Mikes time. 
Take a ride down the 1/4 in my Chevelle. Now thats *****... You gotta drive the crap outa her to make it to the other end.
Id like to see what my C63 will do with my tune and maybe a few other small tweaks. I really dont have any intention to take it to the level these guys do. Nothing to do with ***** or heart, I already have my track cars. Im just not letting myself get the crazy itch with the C63. A supercharger might be nice though.
I didnt say he was running NOS...
" This isnt to take away from his times... but 10.8 at 131 on a tune + Headers? Dad's did a NOS shot WITH light weight mods and the same tune + headers and only did 10.9"
I dont doubt your previous track experience but these are different animals when it comes to the track...so since you have not experienced it with these animals so your comments may surprise you in the future with your own car...just not sure if you have Mikes Heart andd *****
63 cars get faster times after the 4th and 5th back to back passes when my force inducted can only do 2 or 3 tops..First and sec. being the fastest.
" This isnt to take away from his times... but 10.8 at 131 on a tune + Headers? Dad's did a NOS shot WITH light weight mods and the same tune + headers and only did 10.9"
I dont doubt your previous track experience but these are different animals when it comes to the track...so since you have not experienced it with these animals so your comments may surprise you in the future with your own car...just not sure if you have Mikes Heart andd ***** 63 cars get faster times after the 4th and 5th back to back passes when my force inducted can only do 2 or 3 tops..First and sec. being the fastest.
Take a ride down the 1/4 in my Chevelle. Now thats *****... You gotta drive the crap outa her to make it to the other end.
Id like to see what my C63 will do with my tune and maybe a few other small tweaks. I really dont have any intention to take it to the level these guys do. Nothing to do with ***** or heart, I already have my track cars. Im just not letting myself get the crazy itch with the C63. A supercharger might be nice though.
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Take a ride down the 1/4 in my Chevelle. Now thats *****... You gotta drive the crap outa her to make it to the other end.
Id like to see what my C63 will do with my tune and maybe a few other small tweaks. I really dont have any intention to take it to the level these guys do. Nothing to do with ***** or heart, I already have my track cars. Im just not letting myself get the crazy itch with the C63. A supercharger might be nice though.
trust me im as surprised as anyone with all his accomplishments, maybe if i wasnt there to witsness it i would be doubting myself and that is why some what i understand the silly remarks some guys may have..trust me when i tell you... the guy wants it!!!
Take a ride down the 1/4 in my Chevelle. Now thats *****... You gotta drive the crap outa her to make it to the other end.
Id like to see what my C63 will do with my tune and maybe a few other small tweaks. I really dont have any intention to take it to the level these guys do. Nothing to do with ***** or heart, I already have my track cars. Im just not letting myself get the crazy itch with the C63. A supercharger might be nice though.
trust me im as surprised as anyone with all his accomplishments, maybe if i wasnt there to witsness it i would be doubting myself and that is why some what i understand the silly remarks some guys may have..trust me when i tell you... the guy wants it!!!
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Cool, thats why I said my experience. I havent been to the track with the C63 yet.
However, I think Jon with the OE tune had his best trap time with his worst 60'. Maybe with more power it flips. Im curious as to why. Of course ive seen it improve on FWD cars. The better the 60' on those usually the better the traps and ET's.
However, I think Jon with the OE tune had his best trap time with his worst 60'.
Maybe with more power it flips. Im curious as to why. Of course ive seen it improve on FWD cars. The better the 60' on those usually the better the traps and ET's.Mike studies the slips while Jon leaves them at the track. You should come to one of the events and see for yourself.
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I think one of the major advantages that Mike has is that he uses the track to tune his car, something that many people don't do anymore. Most people just go to the dyno and look for some new number and either walk away happy or disappointed.
It's very hard to see these gains after tuning your car on the dyno. The horsepower you guys get on the dyno usually gets left at the dyno shop when you go to the track because the car doesn't perform at the drag strip. The guy that goes to the drag strip and sets the car up to go fast and quick at the track may be disappointed with the numbers that they see if they put their car on a dyno, it's just the way it is. I remember when I was racing you would hear about new cars coming out that just put down 1500HP (10 years ago), and you would be thinking how this guy is gonna kick my *** but they would get to the track and do nothing, where was all that horsepower that they had on the dyno? I can't even begin to tell you how many cars this happened with. It got to the point where I stopped paying attention to those numbers because I realized that they meant nothing.
Mike is at a big advantage because he has gone to the track many many times and he has learned a lot, I think he has learned a lot more than even he realizes. Luckily for you guys he has no qualms about sharing what he learned with you guys but the best way to get your car to go faster is to get out there and start running it.
It's really up to you to figure out what you want. Do you want that dyno number or do you want to actually be quicker and faster? I know what I would rather have.
It's very hard to see these gains after tuning your car on the dyno. The horsepower you guys get on the dyno usually gets left at the dyno shop when you go to the track because the car doesn't perform at the drag strip. The guy that goes to the drag strip and sets the car up to go fast and quick at the track may be disappointed with the numbers that they see if they put their car on a dyno, it's just the way it is. I remember when I was racing you would hear about new cars coming out that just put down 1500HP (10 years ago), and you would be thinking how this guy is gonna kick my *** but they would get to the track and do nothing, where was all that horsepower that they had on the dyno? I can't even begin to tell you how many cars this happened with. It got to the point where I stopped paying attention to those numbers because I realized that they meant nothing.
Mike is at a big advantage because he has gone to the track many many times and he has learned a lot, I think he has learned a lot more than even he realizes. Luckily for you guys he has no qualms about sharing what he learned with you guys but the best way to get your car to go faster is to get out there and start running it.
It's really up to you to figure out what you want. Do you want that dyno number or do you want to actually be quicker and faster? I know what I would rather have.
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No question, I know Mike. Ive met him. He sleeps on the track I think. He uses DR's for pillows.
I'm happy for him because I know it means a lot to him. I wasn't trying to offend. I was just talking shop based on my previous track experience. I honestly expected him to say "I did this mod" or "I took out my passenger and back seat" or something. That stuff shows how much dedication he has to going faster and isnt a scar at all on his times. NOS I can understand how it can offend. I was only using the NOS as a compare to Dad's runs with the shot he used and his ET's and Trap. I understand how one can be offened by that.
In the end if he did add more mods to go faster It wouldn't take away from the accomplishment at all. I wonder sometimes why people get so angry when people ask.. "Ok How did you get there?"
I'm happy for him because I know it means a lot to him. I wasn't trying to offend. I was just talking shop based on my previous track experience. I honestly expected him to say "I did this mod" or "I took out my passenger and back seat" or something. That stuff shows how much dedication he has to going faster and isnt a scar at all on his times. NOS I can understand how it can offend. I was only using the NOS as a compare to Dad's runs with the shot he used and his ET's and Trap. I understand how one can be offened by that.
In the end if he did add more mods to go faster It wouldn't take away from the accomplishment at all. I wonder sometimes why people get so angry when people ask.. "Ok How did you get there?"
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I mean normally the better the 60' the lower the ET. That is simply because you will have less time to make the same mph you typically hit by getting down the track quicker.
I really wanna know how... Maybe less bog.... Sweet spot in the RPM range.
Also crazy how it gets faster... You figured you would start dumping big amounts of fuel the hotter it gets. The ECU must adapt nicely or enjoy running rich.
Lots to be studied on the C63 indeed.
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You and me both. The idea that Mike had his quickest ET's and trap and 60' on his best run is all wacky to me. (Not even sure if thats correct at this point)
I mean normally the better the 60' the lower the ET. That is simply because you will have less time to make the same mph you typically hit by getting down the track quicker.
I really wanna know how... Maybe less bog.... Sweet spot in the RPM range.
Also crazy how it gets faster... You figured you would start dumping big amounts of fuel the hotter it gets. The ECU must adapt nicely or enjoy running rich.
Lots to be studied on the C63 indeed.
I mean normally the better the 60' the lower the ET. That is simply because you will have less time to make the same mph you typically hit by getting down the track quicker.
I really wanna know how... Maybe less bog.... Sweet spot in the RPM range.
Also crazy how it gets faster... You figured you would start dumping big amounts of fuel the hotter it gets. The ECU must adapt nicely or enjoy running rich.
Lots to be studied on the C63 indeed.
we did all the studies and the car loves the heat, my best time was hot lapping so was mikes and i think petros.
all you have to do it get a pair of DR's and go race you car all out and you will see for your self, dont go for records you dont get them that way go for fun and have a good time and learn new things on how to drive the car.
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