Weistec M156/M159 Oil / Air Separator
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Been cleaned out since that shot. Should be clean now but yeah i think ill be getting this oil separator.
Always use RON 98 octane. Never uses oil either, have never had to top it off between oil changes.
Car is used as a shopping cart. Lots of short trips.
Should have bought an ML320CDi
Apparently its common on E60 M5 V10's as well.
Always use RON 98 octane. Never uses oil either, have never had to top it off between oil changes.
Car is used as a shopping cart. Lots of short trips.
Should have bought an ML320CDi
Apparently its common on E60 M5 V10's as well.
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Uuuuhhhhh........ $530 oil catch can?
The only person to buy these will be one that enjoys spending time lighting their money on fire or enjoy having their intelligence insulted for a past time.
$530 for a catch can is a joke guys. You need to get real and not hose the members you sell too.
The only person to buy these will be one that enjoys spending time lighting their money on fire or enjoy having their intelligence insulted for a past time.
$530 for a catch can is a joke guys. You need to get real and not hose the members you sell too.
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Uuuuhhhhh........ $530 oil catch can?
The only person to buy these will be one that enjoys spending time lighting their money on fire or enjoy having their intelligence insulted for a past time.
$530 for a catch can is a joke guys. You need to get real and not hose the members you sell too.
The only person to buy these will be one that enjoys spending time lighting their money on fire or enjoy having their intelligence insulted for a past time.
$530 for a catch can is a joke guys. You need to get real and not hose the members you sell too.
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I have the prototype installed on my car and you can see the oil in it from 4 passes at the strip. Keeping the oil out of the engine keeps the octane...I bet some of you here only change 5 spark plugs because the other 3 are fine....
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....or people that understand what its for. Looks like there's a lot of cheap skates in this section LOL, we're talking about $35k motors here that a bunch of you have modded. Do you guys complain about the price of premium gas and synthetic oil too? Maybe you guys should check out the Hyundia and Kia forums.
My thoughts exactly.
Theres cars on here with $6k rims, tunes, $2k carbon airboxes.
WTF is $500 to help your engine? You could make something up alot cheaper but you could probably sell this in the future for a couple of hundred bux and get some money back.
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Do Weistec send out instructions for us DIY'ers?
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Mainly ecampbell, and jrcart nailed it, I concur with my esteemed colleague on this. Crankcase fumes, we all got them, needs to get out of there, OEMs toss it into the air stream (before the MAF??? we sure about that, not likely) to the engine’s intake air stream, burn it and be pretty much done with it. The vacuum in the intake manifold provides the means to pull out the fumes (blower version have a check valve so no reversion? or not in a location to need one?). Oil fumes coming from the crankcase (normal occurrence), being burned in the engine do lessen the anti-knock threshold of your fuels, not major or the OEMs would not allow this, but enough that there is benefit at least in keeping your octane in full effect. As well, what others have shown, carbon build-up on the backside of the intake valve (picture of the clean valve shows someone has some tightly seated piston rings, and burns a better quality fuel, or uses Chevron Techron Conc.) hurting the atomization quality of the fuel being sprayed in that area/backside of the intake valve. As well builds up on the combustion chamber (not just the top of the piston that you can easily see what a boroscope/video version). Combustion chamber/piston top and crevice build-up over time will also increase your octane requirements, SAE did some white papers on this/ORI long time ago, again the Chevron Techron usage will help control this problem, that can still happen with just burning fuel over time, just not as bad as burning oil fumes though.
As for the price, I don’t know what it cost to make the final product, and provide some source of income to a company that has bills and employees to pay, but outside of the development and engineering and material costs which is part of the final price, and this is not a simple “let’s see if this off the shelf unit fits” approach, appears to be about right, though I would like less cost too, but not less of a product. Sure if they sold thousands of these, they could spread the costs down the line, but that is not the case here. The unit looks like a rather intricate and solid proofed out unit, fully able to be disassembled (that costs more than just a catch can with a drain valve at the bottom) and quality material+finish, construction and fitment hardware, though it would help to see one on the site installed/maybe in the works. Would also help someone to know something about the simple aspects of it like; easily goes in-line with the OEM crankcase ventilation hoses, and mounts cleanly and in an easy to access location (also for removal of the can during inspection and draining). I see bolt holes in the side, assume there is a mounting bracket, but not shown, yet?
Nice product!
As for the price, I don’t know what it cost to make the final product, and provide some source of income to a company that has bills and employees to pay, but outside of the development and engineering and material costs which is part of the final price, and this is not a simple “let’s see if this off the shelf unit fits” approach, appears to be about right, though I would like less cost too, but not less of a product. Sure if they sold thousands of these, they could spread the costs down the line, but that is not the case here. The unit looks like a rather intricate and solid proofed out unit, fully able to be disassembled (that costs more than just a catch can with a drain valve at the bottom) and quality material+finish, construction and fitment hardware, though it would help to see one on the site installed/maybe in the works. Would also help someone to know something about the simple aspects of it like; easily goes in-line with the OEM crankcase ventilation hoses, and mounts cleanly and in an easy to access location (also for removal of the can during inspection and draining). I see bolt holes in the side, assume there is a mounting bracket, but not shown, yet?
Nice product!
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One more thing regarding the cost/price. As we are all aware AMGs are built in very limited numbers and even fewer of them get modded so for any of you to compare the cost of this to the cost of one for say a Mustang or 350Z you're comparing apples and oranges. The tooling, materials and devolopment cost are the same or at least similar but Weistec is amortizing those costs over fewer units so they have to charge more, its very basic economics actually. Trust me, if they could sell them for less they would, the guys at Weistec are far from greedy, they are actually more generous than most.
One other thought, this product should be used on even non-modded 63s in my opinion, my 63 would "burn oil" even when it was stock, being nearly a quart low at my initial 1000 mile service. After seeing the photos posted here and on another forum I now see where all that oil went. If a $500 part can save my valves and MAFs that's a no brianer.
One other thought, this product should be used on even non-modded 63s in my opinion, my 63 would "burn oil" even when it was stock, being nearly a quart low at my initial 1000 mile service. After seeing the photos posted here and on another forum I now see where all that oil went. If a $500 part can save my valves and MAFs that's a no brianer.
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There we go again. This issue has been beaten to death.
There are people with money trees that basically do not care how much it costs and there are others that compare products across other brands.
I do believe there is a huge MB tax for all our products.
I debated that with the headers, X-pipes, and CArbon fiber products.
Let the free market roll and let demand dictate the pricing.
If there are enough jrcarts out there, then Weistec will sell them at the price they ask. If not, they will learn a lesson.
It does look like a well thought out quality products so props to Weistec on that.
There are people with money trees that basically do not care how much it costs and there are others that compare products across other brands.
I do believe there is a huge MB tax for all our products.
I debated that with the headers, X-pipes, and CArbon fiber products.
Let the free market roll and let demand dictate the pricing.
If there are enough jrcarts out there, then Weistec will sell them at the price they ask. If not, they will learn a lesson.
It does look like a well thought out quality products so props to Weistec on that.
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There we go again. This issue has been beaten to death.
There are people with money trees that basically do not care how much it costs and there are others that compare products across other brands.
I do believe there is a huge MB tax for all our products.
I debated that with the headers, X-pipes, and CArbon fiber products.
Let the free market roll and let demand dictate the pricing.
If there are enough jrcarts out there, then Weistec will sell them at the price they ask. If not, they will learn a lesson.
It does look like a well thought out quality products so props to Weistec on that.
There are people with money trees that basically do not care how much it costs and there are others that compare products across other brands.
I do believe there is a huge MB tax for all our products.
I debated that with the headers, X-pipes, and CArbon fiber products.
Let the free market roll and let demand dictate the pricing.
If there are enough jrcarts out there, then Weistec will sell them at the price they ask. If not, they will learn a lesson.
It does look like a well thought out quality products so props to Weistec on that.
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It's not overpriced. I own a small CNC factory in Taipei and it looks like a fair price considering they may sell 100 of them and the anodizing is top notch. Caveat, I don't own this and am judging by the pictures of what I can see just like everyone else.
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....or people that understand what its for. Looks like there's a lot of cheap skates in this section LOL, we're talking about $35k motors here that a bunch of you have modded. Do you guys complain about the price of premium gas and synthetic oil too? Maybe you guys should check out the Hyundia and Kia forums.
Why do you guys think your motor is that cheap? My dealer had to replace a motor on an E550 coupe parts and labor were 50k and thats warranty pricing.... Lots of cheap skates
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Let's be serious, a little blow by is not going blow up a motor, but it can prevent it from running to its optimum performance levels and shorten the life if things suchs as MAFs. A $500 investment is nothing on a $75k plus vehicle. I assume the guys griping about the cost of a $500 part are the same guys scrounging up quarters to fill up their gas tank and are what I like to refer to as car broke. Probably renting a 1 bedroom apartment or even worse renting a 3 bedroom with a couple buddies...or evn worse living in moms basement....but you got you an AMG don't you LMAO....Baller
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Interesting, but not. jrcart, ecampbell, jspAMG (there could be others, if they felt it worth their time to reply) and myself all present facts, and strong feelings only based on those facts, and that from having been around in life, vehicles and the car business (at least) long enough to have real wisdom on those subjects. But nothing blocks others from gaining said wisdom as having a closed mind as most of the rebuttals at this point show, if you are not willing to consider, then I see no point after this to spend more time discussing it, our points have been made and can stand on their own . The good thing is it’s just a small minority that make the most banter, and the majority reading but not posting I am sure are intelligent enough to see facts and decide for themselves . Difference of opinion is one thing but you guys just sound like you are playing devil’s advocate or trolling, and not worth the time of those actually contributing to the value of this topic in further replies. Does not upset me, go ahead and trash the subject at the end here; the only time having the last word will not mean much! The better points were already made in the beginning and will be there to serve those that want to learn. I upped the ante at the end here to set the mood straight before I leave , see if it wears down those that like to flame . I have seen this sort of flaming rebuttals more than is needed, but on the Honda forums and such, where you expect it .
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Let's be serious, a little blow by is not going blow up a motor, but it can prevent it from running to its optimum performance levels and shorten the life if things suchs as MAFs. A $500 investment is nothing on a $75k plus vehicle. I assume the guys griping about the cost of a $500 part are the same guys scrounging up quarters to fill up their gas tank and are what I like to refer to as car broke. Probably renting a 1 bedroom apartment or even worse renting a 3 bedroom with a couple buddies...or evn worse living in moms basement....but you got you an AMG don't you LMAO....Baller
I'm not likely to keep my car after warranty (especially in light of the cam/lifter issues) so I won't be buying this piece, but I agree with others here about the economics of manufacturing a quality piece that will not be sold in huge quantities, hence the price. Maybe Weistec could offer financing for some
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Weistec is all about quality...one look of what they have done to my car and you would see the professionalism in everything they do.
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Dude...its not about being arrogant, it is being aware of production costs for a low production piece. How much do you think this cost when you include cnc and rd time?
Weistec is all about quality...one look of what they have done to my car and you would see the professionalism in everything they do.
Weistec is all about quality...one look of what they have done to my car and you would see the professionalism in everything they do.
im sure its a great product. i own a top of the line manufacturing company and i mark-up the s|-|it out of things because people will pay for it. i know all about that stuff. i just dont think that this particular product is worth 500 dollars. this is a discussion forum and we are discussing it. there is no need to insinuate that people are poor and should shut up.
that being said, its good to know that weistec is a quality company and i will definitely look into there products when i start doing some mods on my new toy
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if its not about being arrogant then why take a jab at people about not having money (dude) lol.
im sure its a great product. i own a top of the line manufacturing company and i mark-up the s|-|it out of things because people will pay for it. i know all about that stuff. i just dont think that this particular product is worth 500 dollars. this is a discussion forum and we are discussing it. there is no need to insinuate that people are poor and should shut up.
that being said, its good to know that weistec is a quality company and i will definitely look into there products when i start doing some mods on my new toy
im sure its a great product. i own a top of the line manufacturing company and i mark-up the s|-|it out of things because people will pay for it. i know all about that stuff. i just dont think that this particular product is worth 500 dollars. this is a discussion forum and we are discussing it. there is no need to insinuate that people are poor and should shut up.
that being said, its good to know that weistec is a quality company and i will definitely look into there products when i start doing some mods on my new toy
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In the end, any product or service is valued by the market.
Some will buy this no matter what due to need or perceived value. Others won't buy it at pennies on the dollar because they feel it's unneeded or they have other financial priorities.
Suppliers react to this and raise and lower prices to sell for what the market will bear.
Personally, I would like to see some test results on the effect against the stock situation. Then I can make a cost/benefit decision.
But for the work invested for my own swag on the number that will sell in 6-12 months, it seems to be within a fair profit margin range.
Jim
Some will buy this no matter what due to need or perceived value. Others won't buy it at pennies on the dollar because they feel it's unneeded or they have other financial priorities.
Suppliers react to this and raise and lower prices to sell for what the market will bear.
Personally, I would like to see some test results on the effect against the stock situation. Then I can make a cost/benefit decision.
But for the work invested for my own swag on the number that will sell in 6-12 months, it seems to be within a fair profit margin range.
Jim