Cool Black Series video review
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Cool video. I saw it earlier today.
I'm sorry though. It further justifies my opinion that its not worth the sticker price.
0-60 in 3.7
1/4 mile in 12.1 @ 117
$130,000
Meh....
I'm sorry though. It further justifies my opinion that its not worth the sticker price.
0-60 in 3.7
1/4 mile in 12.1 @ 117
$130,000
Meh....
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2011 C63 P31
I wonder how much of the 0-60 advantage over a C63 w/P31 (~3.9 secs) is due to the wider rear tires. How do stock P31s do in the quarter mile? Has anyone raced a P31 against a BS?
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P31 is on par with the BS as far as straight line performance. I am curious how it compares on a road course also to be honest. The numbers on the BS are embarrassing for its price tag. Hopefully we see better soon.
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2011 C63 P31
Maybe they'll come out with another limited run BS with a beefier engine when the next gen C63 is out. A 480-510hp 5.5TT C63 and a 550hp 5.5TT/lighter C63 BS combo in 2015 would be drool worthy!
MB can't keep the base C63 at 451hp as it is rumored that the next Lexus IS-F will have 470hp, and even the next M3 is rumored to have at least 450hp in a ligher car. MB will do everything it can to maintain the HP/straight line advantage over the M3 since I doubt the C63 will be more nimble than the BMW, and I also doubt that they will somehow manage to drop 300-400 lbs in the next C63.
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I love the way the BS looks, but you're right, for a $40k+ premium, they should have put a 5.5TT PP engine in it. 550hp and 590lb-ft would have really set this car apart from everything else in this price range in terms of performance, maybe even the mighty GT-R.
Maybe they'll come out with another limited run BS with a beefier engine when the next gen C63 is out. A 480-510hp 5.5TT C63 and a 550hp 5.5TT/lighter C63 BS combo in 2015 would be drool worthy!
MB can't keep the base C63 at 451hp as it is rumored that the next Lexus IS-F will have 470hp, and even the next M3 is rumored to have at least 450hp in a ligher car. MB will do everything it can to maintain the HP/straight line advantage over the M3 since I doubt the C63 will be more nimble than the BMW, and I also doubt that they will somehow manage to drop 300-400 lbs in the next C63.
Maybe they'll come out with another limited run BS with a beefier engine when the next gen C63 is out. A 480-510hp 5.5TT C63 and a 550hp 5.5TT/lighter C63 BS combo in 2015 would be drool worthy!
MB can't keep the base C63 at 451hp as it is rumored that the next Lexus IS-F will have 470hp, and even the next M3 is rumored to have at least 450hp in a ligher car. MB will do everything it can to maintain the HP/straight line advantage over the M3 since I doubt the C63 will be more nimble than the BMW, and I also doubt that they will somehow manage to drop 300-400 lbs in the next C63.
It does look good though.
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True, the huge torque advantage would help close the gap, but the AWD/DCT combo in the GT-R would be really hard to beat. And the way the HP is going up in the GT-R every year, I won't be surprised if stock GT-Rs come with 580hp or more by the time the next C63BS comes out. They are already at 545hp in 2013MY from 480hp in 2009, aren't they?
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True, the huge torque advantage would help close the gap, but the AWD/DCT combo in the GT-R would be really hard to beat. And the way the HP is going up in the GT-R every year, I won't be surprised if stock GT-Rs come with 580hp or more by the time the next C63BS comes out. They are already at 545hp in 2013MY from 480hp in 2009, aren't they?
You can get the same performance though out of a 2009, 10, 11, 12 though. 2009 GTR with a tune, LC4 and midpipe is all day, anytime on the street, no drags needed mid 10 and 0-60 in 2.8's. That is a scary fast street car that will hang with a GT2 on a road course no problem.
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The CBS is a terrible buy if you only care about straight line performance, I think that's been settled already lol.
There are 2nd hand CBS's that came on the market because the owners were disappointed in the straight line speed. You don't buy a CBS to go fast in a straight line. You buy it because it puts a smile on your face when you rip around in it.
There are 2nd hand CBS's that came on the market because the owners were disappointed in the straight line speed. You don't buy a CBS to go fast in a straight line. You buy it because it puts a smile on your face when you rip around in it.
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The CBS is a terrible buy if you only care about straight line performance, I think that's been settled already lol.
There are 2nd hand CBS's that came on the market because the owners were disappointed in the straight line speed. You don't buy a CBS to go fast in a straight line. You buy it because it puts a smile on your face when you rip around in it.
There are 2nd hand CBS's that came on the market because the owners were disappointed in the straight line speed. You don't buy a CBS to go fast in a straight line. You buy it because it puts a smile on your face when you rip around in it.
Even on the skid pad though it wasn't that impressive. I dont know... I thought it would be much more of a monster for 130K.
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Yea, for a street race car, it's terrible for the money. But I'm old, I've stopped street racing years ago. At the track, it's fast (but I still get beat by GTRs). It's the fact that with nannies off, it works my driving skills to its limits, and I just grin. On the street, I crave for turnoffs, it's just so much fun short of a GT3. And it's just so usable as a DD as well with 4 real seats.
But yea, ask me the same thing 5 years ago when I was a track rat in Solo1 and Solo2, and I'd say the exact same thing as you and probably own a GTR instead.
edit - skidpad #'s, well at least lateral force measurements, I'm able to sustain ~1g with Michelin PSS's, and ~1.3-1.4g's on the Dunlop Sport Maxx Races, so it's not as bad as you make it out to be.
But yea, ask me the same thing 5 years ago when I was a track rat in Solo1 and Solo2, and I'd say the exact same thing as you and probably own a GTR instead.
edit - skidpad #'s, well at least lateral force measurements, I'm able to sustain ~1g with Michelin PSS's, and ~1.3-1.4g's on the Dunlop Sport Maxx Races, so it's not as bad as you make it out to be.
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Yeah, the 2013 GTR is sick.
You can get the same performance though out of a 2009, 10, 11, 12 though. 2009 GTR with a tune, LC4 and midpipe is all day, anytime on the street, no drags needed mid 10 and 0-60 in 2.8's. That is a scary fast street car that will hang with a GT2 on a road course no problem.
You can get the same performance though out of a 2009, 10, 11, 12 though. 2009 GTR with a tune, LC4 and midpipe is all day, anytime on the street, no drags needed mid 10 and 0-60 in 2.8's. That is a scary fast street car that will hang with a GT2 on a road course no problem.
My GTR will rock most cars on the street and it traps over 130 mph which is not saying much. But what I will say is the CBS is the far more rewarding car. The driveability, chasis response, steering, throttle response and exhaust note are excellent straight out of the factory. I didnt learn how to drive from my GTR- It just took away my fears but it doesnt teach. And yes anyone can drive a GTR faster than a C-BS but since I have both I can speak from empirical self data. I like driving the C-BS better. Oh it looks better too.
Money is relative and you or anyone can buy something faster but that doesnt necesarily make it better. I dont care about the numbers- thats what a mag says and I am happier with this car than my GTR. Im not a CBS fanboy cause I have both- oh I said that didnt I
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I agree with Vic on this one, and one huge weakness for the GT-R compare to the C63 BS is the cooling when tracking the car. Both the stock C63 and the GT-R can easily over heat after 5 or 6 laps and need to be cooled, but the C63 BS can pretty much track all day with no issues. So yes on paper and in real life the GT-R can beat the C63 BS, BUT the GT-R doesn't last as long as the C63 BS in a track section with out some serious mods.
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I agree with Vic on this one, and one huge weakness for the GT-R compare to the C63 BS is the cooling when tracking the car. Both the stock C63 and the GT-R can easily over heat after 5 or 6 laps and need to be cooled, but the C63 BS can pretty much track all day with no issues. So yes on paper and in real life the GT-R can beat the C63 BS, BUT the GT-R doesn't last as long as the C63 BS in a track section with out some serious mods.
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I thought it was better than that on the track. I agree though, the BS will not suffer as much on the track. The Stock C63 weak point is the tranny. Im guessing they have fixed that on the BS with coolers.
You say serious mods on the GTR to make it a track machine and to have the stamina of the BS. What kinda mods? Im sure it will cost nowhere near 30K though matching the price of the BS to keep it on the track as long as you want.
I also agree that the BS looks better than the GTR. Stock for stock the BS exhaust note is also music to my ears. The stock GTR exhaust is not so hot. Mod the GTR exhaust though and it sounds pretty sweet.
If both cars cost the same it might be a tough choice for most who dont have a disposable income. For those who can afford to just point at cars and buy them I can see the allure of the CBS.
