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Old May 22, 2013 | 11:50 AM
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XKR-S vs C63

So I had a chance to drive one for a day and it was a big Meh!....wasn't absolutely amazing but was still very fun and I was wondering if anybody else has driven one. The only thing I really didn't care for was the very short redline of 6500.


The dealer is offering me a deal of 82k on a new French blue one and I understand there are faster cars available in that price range but none as rare as this one. I have never seen one of these cars on the road or at local meets so I would like everybody's input , are they not on the road for a reliability reason or is it just that for the normal 132k MSRP ppl opt for a better all around car?

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Old May 22, 2013 | 11:56 AM
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I really like these cars

I have been looking at these on the Internet great looking cars
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Old May 22, 2013 | 11:57 AM
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How to they compare to the c63?? Faster then the c63???
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Old May 22, 2013 | 12:05 PM
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Are you saying you can get $50K off MSRP?

If the second-hand market supports it, you'd be nuts not to buy it drive it for a year or two and sell it.
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Old May 22, 2013 | 12:31 PM
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How to they compare to the c63?? Faster then the c63???
More Nimble But Not Really Faster In The Straights. The Exhaust More Is Great But So Is The C63...If I Didn't Own A C63 I Would Be Much More Impressed ...Not To Take Anything Away From That Car Just Saying I Am Already Use To A Great Exhaust More, Throttle Blips On Down Shifts Etc Etc
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Old May 22, 2013 | 12:42 PM
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Are you saying you can get $50K off MSRP?

If the second-hand market supports it, you'd be nuts not to buy it drive it for a year or two and sell it.
Second hand market is what scares me about this car..I am getting a 2012 never tittled 4k mile owner driven car at 50k below msrp because it never moved, so when it is time to sell how is the used market for this car gonna be? I am worried about taking a huge hit since obviously they don't move very well as a new car so where does that leave my trade in market?

The thing I love the move about this car is also my biggest worry. Why don't I ever see one one the road? How can ppl pass up a vehicle like this? There has to be something I don't know about this vehicle
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Old May 22, 2013 | 01:01 PM
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IMO, Jaguar doesn't have as much name recognition with today's youth as an Mercedes Benz C63 would. The XKR-S is an very rare vehicle that also has a very limited fan base. Those who want one, know what it is. Those that don't know what it is, will not want one.

Depending on where you're located, Jag dealerships are also far and few. You're pretty much at the mercy of that one dealership in town (if there is one in your area) for any repair/warranty work. Jags also don't have one of the best reputation for reliability, especially their electrical components.

With all that being said, I am still a huge fan of the XKR-S!
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Old May 22, 2013 | 02:10 PM
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I really like the xkr-s as well. but I feel it is overpriced for what it is. Like you have hinted, for the amount of money, there are definitely better options. however, we are only human, and much like the guy who put $1 mil bid on Eleanor the other day, if this jag gets your heart racing then go for it. But from what i gather, on the performance side since looks are subjective, it is only a minor upgrade if even that on our C63s. is it worth your 82k?

I do think however, you should study the 2ndary markets. from what i gather, for jags, you take a pretty huge financial hit on the resale. but if you are getting it for like 50k off, you have a lot of room to move before you get dinged too much.
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Old May 22, 2013 | 02:40 PM
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Its nice.. I think that's the one listed at the Sacramento.

I drove one not too long ago. Not worth 100k or even 85k for that matter.
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Old May 22, 2013 | 02:51 PM
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The XKR-S is a beast and has had some very good reviews...and remember your are getting an "R-S" for less than a normal XK....

IMO it's in a different league than the C63...interior...active diff...supercharged (and tunable to over 600hp).

The depreciation has been taken care of in the $50k discount



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Old May 22, 2013 | 02:52 PM
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Its nice.. I think that's the one listed at the Sacramento.

I drove one not too long ago. Not worth 100k or even 85k for that matter.
You are right on both counts...I am good friends with the finance manager and he is the one who told me 82k, however you are also right in that it definitely isn't worth the 100k or even better than my 09 C63 in terms of performance.

I am looking ahead as I hear a lot of problems come up with the 08/09 C63's so my logic was.
A. New car new warranty
B. Still same or arguably better performance
C. So much under the 132k msrp that I could flip in a couple yrs and not be upside down
D. Although performance is not 132k worthy it is still very rare than the normal car in the
80k price range such as GTR, RS5, 911 etc etc
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Old May 22, 2013 | 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by kaz109
I am getting a 2012 never tittled 4k mile owner driven car at 50k below msrp because it never moved
this statement confuses me
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Old May 22, 2013 | 04:30 PM
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this statement confuses me

Owner driven probably means Dealership Owner driven...hence not titled.
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Old May 22, 2013 | 04:30 PM
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wow I would be so tempted to do it as I love the look of those cars
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Old May 22, 2013 | 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by kaz109
You are right on both counts...I am good friends with the finance manager and he is the one who told me 82k, however you are also right in that it definitely isn't worth the 100k or even better than my 09 C63 in terms of performance.

I have had the opportunity of buying a 2011 xjl which was owner driven at Jaguar of Pasadena, los angeles.

I would say a few things based on my experience.


Originally Posted by kaz109
I am looking ahead as I hear a lot of problems come up with the 08/09 C63's so my logic was.
A. New car new warranty - Please confirm the exact "remaining" warranty both in terms of the miles and time frame.
B. Still same or arguably better performance - Possibly better performance - agree on that. However, some folks might think stock P31 C63 is better
C. So much under the 132k msrp that I could flip in a couple yrs and not be upside down - Please don't count on that. If you buy it for 82k + tax, at the end of 2 yrs from now, you might end up selling that car at 60 + tax. Again, I could (hopefully) be wrong in case the car ends up rare enough and you find the right buyer for the french racing blue.
D. Although performance is not 132k worthy it is still very rare than the normal car in the 80k price range such as GTR, RS5, 911 etc etc - Again debatable, but yes, if you look at 50k off $135k, then you're ahead, atleast for some time.
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Old May 22, 2013 | 05:45 PM
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Owner driven probably means Dealership Owner driven...hence not titled.
You are correct. I meant to say the dealership owner was driving it but it was never titled
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Old May 22, 2013 | 06:21 PM
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I feel like it really depends on your needs.

The XKR-S is definitely a rare car and driving it down the street will attract attention regardless if people know what it is or not (especially in that Blue); more of a show/collector's car.

The C63 on the other hand "looks" more common, and will mainly be recognized by people who know what it is. And it's a practical-use car.

If you use your C63 on a daily basis, I would keep it. I can't imagine the XKR-S being a very friendly daily driver's car. It's more of a grand-tourer car, IMO.

And there are definitely WAY betters cars to get for that price range. Just my $0.02.
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I agree with the above. It's a Jag trying to wear muscle car clothes. I've seen a black one driving around town and it looks great, but in typical Jag fashion, it seems to fall short. Just look up any reviews on it. For the money, I'd get a DB9, R8 v10, or any of the new Porsche 991s.

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I feel like it really depends on your needs.

The XKR-S is definitely a rare car and driving it down the street will attract attention regardless if people know what it is or not (especially in that Blue); more of a show/collector's car.

The C63 on the other hand "looks" more common, and will mainly be recognized by people who know what it is. And it's a practical-use car.

If you use your C63 on a daily basis, I would keep it. I can't imagine the XKR-S being a very friendly daily driver's car. It's more of a grand-tourer car, IMO.

And there are definitely WAY betters cars to get for that price range. Just my $0.02.
Yes it will be my daily. This car wasn't even on my radar because of its normal msrp so with that said what would u consider a better option that is not strickly performance based? Other than the cars I listed..I also looked into a 2011 SL63 but I don't see me getting as much out of it in 2 yrs like I would this xkr-s
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Originally Posted by kaz109
Yes it will be my daily. This car wasn't even on my radar because of its normal msrp so with that said what would u consider a better option that is not strickly performance based? Other than the cars I listed..I also looked into a 2011 SL63 but I don't see me getting as much out of it in 2 yrs like I would this xkr-s
^^Essentially what CoolBDPhenom03 suggested.

EDIT: I would even look into GT-Rs or M6's. If you're willing to give up some performance, why not try something like the Audi A8, BMW's 760Li, Lexus' 460L, etc.

Sorry for not having better suggestions, but as a college graduate of only 2 years, your price range for cars isn't typically on my radar. :P

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This is a tough one. I was in the same boat as you recently and found a beautiful blue one near by listed for $95k. If I didn't find a CBS I might have pulled the trigger. It looks fantastic and sounds great. I will say the performance numbers were a little disappointing. The dealer boasted a 550hp engine that rockets you to 60 in 4.4 seconds. My stock C sedan ran faster than that. However, you are not likely to see another one next to you at the light. I see one to two C63 everyday.
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Old May 22, 2013 | 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by kaz109
Second hand market is what scares me about this car..I am getting a 2012 never tittled 4k mile owner driven car at 50k below msrp because it never moved, so when it is time to sell how is the used market for this car gonna be? I am worried about taking a huge hit since obviously they don't move very well as a new car so where does that leave my trade in market?

The thing I love the move about this car is also my biggest worry. Why don't I ever see one one the road? How can ppl pass up a vehicle like this? There has to be something I don't know about this vehicle
Sounds like a amazing deal, not much downside at that price.
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When i was having issues finding a C63 Black series in White, I also considered the XKR-S and drove one a few times. The thing is definitely fast, definitely faster than the C Black in a straight line at highway speeds...The interior was great, as is typical with Jaguars...The sound of it was beautiful, they really did a good job with that aspect of it...

But, the car just had zero feel to it. I was completely surprised how disconnected from the steering I felt, given that the car was supposed to be Jag's attempt to combat the super high performance coupes that have been coming out. It was incredibly soft; too soft for the level of performance it is supposed to achieve. Though the car shifted pretty quickly, i wasnt an overly huge fan of the transmission overall.

Ultimately, the C Black won out in the end because it just felt so much more raw and aggressive, while the Jag just felt too refined and soft for my liking, even as a daily driver.
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A CBS would be a no brainer out the cars I am looking for they are just had to come by at the right price. Not saying I am looking for one at 80k but I haven't even found one under 120k. Now that being said I haven't looked out of state because I have never bought a car out of state and I am not sure I want my first time to be on a 100+ k car lol.
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Originally Posted by kaz109
A CBS would be a no brainer out the cars I am looking for they are just had to come by at the right price. Not saying I am looking for one at 80k but I haven't even found one under 120k. Now that being said I haven't looked out of state because I have never bought a car out of state and I am not sure I want my first time to be on a 100+ k car lol.
After driving all of them that u mentioned in that price range...

Performance overall: gtr>xkrs>c63>rs5
Straight line speed(highway speeds) : xkr-s>gtr>c63>rs5
Everyday drivability/well roundedness: rs5>xkr-s>c63>gtr
If I could only have 1: xkr-s>rs5>gtr>c63

These are just my opinions obviously, but just giving perspective from testing them all out.
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