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420whp is more than respectable with just a tune from a 6.2L N/A engine going through an automatic transmission. Some people dont realize that dyno's can be manipulated to read whatever their heart desires. People really think that with a tune only they are knocking on 500whp door. Just ask them what the E.T. and trap speed are on that magical dyno. 
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Yeah, agree with the above. What I'm more curious about is the before/after same day, same dyno, same conditions. That's not about making the dyno read whatever you want it to. If one is the 'before' line, and one is the 'after', it looks like you lost torque and gained insignificant power. That's what doesn't look right.
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Yeah, agree with the above. What I'm more curious about is the before/after same day, same dyno, same conditions. That's not about making the dyno read whatever you want it to. If one is the 'before' line, and one is the 'after', it looks like you lost torque and gained insignificant power. That's what doesn't look right.
No where did I say those where before and after as they would not be on the same chart. I wIll do some stock to tuned runs but I'm going to wait till this Fall for more favorable weather conditions. The dyno in Marrietta also has been there a long time and the numbers are pretty consistent.
Multiple runs the lines will NEVER line up.
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I using this one:
Use a Bluetooth version for Android and Windows phones, and a WiFi Version for iOS.
You should not see AFRs higher than around 12.8 under full load. If you do see 13s or 14s, you are too lean. Note: Those kinds of values are Ok at minimum throttle.
Use a Bluetooth version for Android and Windows phones, and a WiFi Version for iOS.
You should not see AFRs higher than around 12.8 under full load. If you do see 13s or 14s, you are too lean. Note: Those kinds of values are Ok at minimum throttle.
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I using this one:
Amazon.com: ScanTool 427201 OBDLink LX Bluetooth: OBD Adapter/Diagnostic Scanner for Android & Windows: Automotive
Use a Bluetooth version for Android and Windows phones, and a WiFi Version for iOS.
You should not see AFRs higher than around 12.8 under full load. If you do see 13s or 14s, you are too lean. Note: Those kinds of values are Ok at minimum throttle.
Amazon.com: ScanTool 427201 OBDLink LX Bluetooth: OBD Adapter/Diagnostic Scanner for Android & Windows: Automotive
Use a Bluetooth version for Android and Windows phones, and a WiFi Version for iOS.
You should not see AFRs higher than around 12.8 under full load. If you do see 13s or 14s, you are too lean. Note: Those kinds of values are Ok at minimum throttle.
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I thought I had posted a response yesterday, but don't see it here, so here I post again:
I doubt the EC tune is the issue. They have many cars out there running successfully and the AFRs are regulated also with the O2 sensors you have. If indeed you are running too lean, then there is something wrong with the car most likely (for example a leak in the air intake). I would get the data with your OBD scanner first and take it from there.
Btw, if the basic app that comes with the dongle is too simple, you can also try Torque or DashCommand. They offer a bit more functionality. I personally have all 3 but end up using Torque the most.
I doubt the EC tune is the issue. They have many cars out there running successfully and the AFRs are regulated also with the O2 sensors you have. If indeed you are running too lean, then there is something wrong with the car most likely (for example a leak in the air intake). I would get the data with your OBD scanner first and take it from there.
Btw, if the basic app that comes with the dongle is too simple, you can also try Torque or DashCommand. They offer a bit more functionality. I personally have all 3 but end up using Torque the most.
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I thought I had posted a response yesterday, but don't see it here, so here I post again:
I doubt the EC tune is the issue. They have many cars out there running successfully and the AFRs are regulated also with the O2 sensors you have. If indeed you are running too lean, then there is something wrong with the car most likely (for example a leak in the air intake). I would get the data with your OBD scanner first and take it from there.
Btw, if the basic app that comes with the dongle is too simple, you can also try Torque or DashCommand. They offer a bit more functionality. I personally have all 3 but end up using Torque the most.
I doubt the EC tune is the issue. They have many cars out there running successfully and the AFRs are regulated also with the O2 sensors you have. If indeed you are running too lean, then there is something wrong with the car most likely (for example a leak in the air intake). I would get the data with your OBD scanner first and take it from there.
Btw, if the basic app that comes with the dongle is too simple, you can also try Torque or DashCommand. They offer a bit more functionality. I personally have all 3 but end up using Torque the most.
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I also have ROW boxes and ran EC tunes in the past. They are no issue as the air flow sensors are measuring actual air mass. If there was a leak after those air sensors, that would let additional air in, that could be an issue.
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So I got the scanner on the software that came with it reported all good marks on all tests. Torque had 2-3 areas with red but I am not sure if that just stuff it cannot read, etc I dont know what the strange values mean and there are no explanations next to them.
On the other OBD app it showed 1 misfire on 2 different cylinders on one of the cylinder reads but not on the other. These apps are hard to understand but it still showed green check marks across the board.
Also no fault codes on either program
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You were concerned about your engine running too lean. In order to check that watch air to fuel ratios while driving under load. They should not be higher than 12.8 under full throttle.
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EC tunes run super fat. I'm in the high 11's and low 12's (11.9-12.4) at WOT in 3rd and 4th. Verified using a standalone dual-bank AFR gauge with dedicated wideband sensors (Innovate DLG-1). Safe as kittens.
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Blkrokt, that makes sense. So if someone sees much higher AFRs then someting is not right. And likely not the tune but an airleak.
And if the AFRs are in the right range then the enginee is not running lean.
And if the AFRs are in the right range then the enginee is not running lean.
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I bought my V5 tune about 3 weeks ago and asked the sales guy on the phone if and when they were going to have a V6 and he went and asked someone, he came back to the phone and old me they have no plans on doing the V6 tune. He said they had newer cars out they had to do.
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Couldnt figure out fully how to read the gauge but I was running around 12-12.7 under WOT but when I let off the gar and hit brakes it would jump to 28 then level back down in the 12 area.
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It's normal for the AFR to jump like that when you get off it. On decel it runs as lean as possible. Cruising it fluctuates up and down to keep things around stoich.
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That is also how my car is. The 28-30 is just the max reading possible. When you lift your foot off the gas, the car cuts fuel supply completely and coasts. So in theory the AFR becomes infinite, but can only show something like 30.
Running lean is only dangerous at full throttle.
Running lean is only dangerous at full throttle.
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Can we some how figure out how to make the transmission in M mode actually shift when you pull the paddle!
A little more power like 560hp and also increase the torque 20lb/ft
Stay in M or S mode after shutting the car off
Up-shifts can be done at any rpm
A little more throttle when downshifting like a growling rumple
Faster up shifts when in M mode
Start in 2nd Gear
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A little more power like 560hp and also increase the torque 20lb/ft
Stay in M or S mode after shutting the car off
Up-shifts can be done at any rpm
A little more throttle when downshifting like a growling rumple
Faster up shifts when in M mode
Start in 2nd Gear
Can you do 2015 Christmas gift? Please!
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I'd much rather be too rich than too lean. I don't know what the point is getting any more aggressive with the tune. I was running AFRs from 12-4-12.8 the other week at The Glen on my street tune, and at redline it was creeping higher than that. That's more than aggressive enough for me and I was on straight race gas - anything more and you're starting to compromise the engine IMO. I don't want to see 13's, it's not worth it to me for a tenth here or there.
And I do have a race gas file in case I'm feeling lucky. Yes, it would be nice to have a better interface. Also agree less gimmicks and sounds, more practicality. Maybe some of the gauges can be changed to show warnings such as knock as mentioned above.
But overall, EC is doing a damn good job for me anyway. We will see when I get her to Atco in a few weeks...
And I do have a race gas file in case I'm feeling lucky. Yes, it would be nice to have a better interface. Also agree less gimmicks and sounds, more practicality. Maybe some of the gauges can be changed to show warnings such as knock as mentioned above.
But overall, EC is doing a damn good job for me anyway. We will see when I get her to Atco in a few weeks...
Hey if you dont mind me asking would you mind letting me know when youre headed to atco??? i am from NJ and havent met any other 63 owners though i have seen two thus far on the road since having mine!!! being you have upgrades and mods id just like to see and hear how your car runs etc etc.. if not no big deal....just would like to meet some other owners
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Hey if you dont mind me asking would you mind letting me know when youre headed to atco??? i am from NJ and havent met any other 63 owners though i have seen two thus far on the road since having mine!!! being you have upgrades and mods id just like to see and hear how your car runs etc etc.. if not no big deal....just would like to meet some other owners
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