Eurocharge V6 wishlist
05-09-2015, 11:15 AM
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I thought we might discuss ideas for Eurocharged next version of V6 code for the W204 C63.
1. In sport mode add some additional pop/grumbles when you let your foot off the gas. Try not to make it seem so programmed like the Jag FType. Maybe add some randomness to it some how.
2. When I drove a 2014 507 I noticed it would give a little pop between upshifts at WOT. Does anyone else notice this? This might be something to consider. My 2010 p31 does not do this.
3. Try and keep comfort mode as original as possible. It would be nice to have a wife/family COMFORT mode stock and a SPORT mode modified. Can I keep the throttle tip in stock on comfort mode and modified in sport?
4. Other ideas???
Also, on a side note... Does anyone know what parameters Eurochared modifies in the V5 code for engine tuning? Obviously they remove the throttle restriction above 5500 rpm on non p31 cars. It seems they add a some throttle tip in which I don't care so much for. I understand as a tuning company you need to make the tune feel faster to people and tip in might do this somewhat. Is the timing advanced much? Not that I am complaining but what is likely causing the fuel trim changes in my car between stock and V5 code?
1. In sport mode add some additional pop/grumbles when you let your foot off the gas. Try not to make it seem so programmed like the Jag FType. Maybe add some randomness to it some how.
2. When I drove a 2014 507 I noticed it would give a little pop between upshifts at WOT. Does anyone else notice this? This might be something to consider. My 2010 p31 does not do this.
3. Try and keep comfort mode as original as possible. It would be nice to have a wife/family COMFORT mode stock and a SPORT mode modified. Can I keep the throttle tip in stock on comfort mode and modified in sport?
4. Other ideas???
Also, on a side note... Does anyone know what parameters Eurochared modifies in the V5 code for engine tuning? Obviously they remove the throttle restriction above 5500 rpm on non p31 cars. It seems they add a some throttle tip in which I don't care so much for. I understand as a tuning company you need to make the tune feel faster to people and tip in might do this somewhat. Is the timing advanced much? Not that I am complaining but what is likely causing the fuel trim changes in my car between stock and V5 code?
05-09-2015, 11:56 AM
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Granted I have only had the V5 tune installed a couple of days I did not notice any changes when driving in "C" mode. In the S modes is where I did notice a big change. The cars stays in gear much longer.
05-09-2015, 01:21 PM
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Mine will snap between upshifts at WOT. 2013 non-pp
05-09-2015, 01:26 PM
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I would like 550 whp for the V6 tune. Haha
In all honesty, I could do without the extra throttle tip in as well. Mine makes snaps/pops at WOT upshifts as well. 2010 non-P31. If possible, I would like to be able to downshift in M mode earlier. Currently it only lets me downshift when revs are around 4,000-4,500 rpm.
In all honesty, I could do without the extra throttle tip in as well. Mine makes snaps/pops at WOT upshifts as well. 2010 non-P31. If possible, I would like to be able to downshift in M mode earlier. Currently it only lets me downshift when revs are around 4,000-4,500 rpm.
05-09-2015, 01:58 PM
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That's interesting, I wondering if it's just more pronounced on the newer w204's with their faster shifting? At any rate it might be cool to have a little more snap between shifts above 5000 rpm. Maybe it's there and I don't here it from the cockpit?
05-09-2015, 03:46 PM
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I thought we might discuss ideas for Eurocharged next version of V6 code for the W204 C63.
1. In sport mode add some additional pop/grumbles when you let your foot off the gas. Try not to make it seem so programmed like the Jag FType. Maybe add some randomness to it some how.
2. When I drove a 2014 507 I noticed it would give a little pop between upshifts at WOT. Does anyone else notice this? This might be something to consider. My 2010 p31 does not do this.
3. Try and keep comfort mode as original as possible. It would be nice to have a wife/family COMFORT mode stock and a SPORT mode modified. Can I keep the throttle tip in stock on comfort mode and modified in sport?
4. Other ideas???
Also, on a side note... Does anyone know what parameters Eurochared modifies in the V5 code for engine tuning? Obviously they remove the throttle restriction above 5500 rpm on non p31 cars. It seems they add a some throttle tip in which I don't care so much for. I understand as a tuning company you need to make the tune feel faster to people and tip in might do this somewhat. Is the timing advanced much? Not that I am complaining but what is likely causing the fuel trim changes in my car between stock and V5 code?
1. In sport mode add some additional pop/grumbles when you let your foot off the gas. Try not to make it seem so programmed like the Jag FType. Maybe add some randomness to it some how.
2. When I drove a 2014 507 I noticed it would give a little pop between upshifts at WOT. Does anyone else notice this? This might be something to consider. My 2010 p31 does not do this.
3. Try and keep comfort mode as original as possible. It would be nice to have a wife/family COMFORT mode stock and a SPORT mode modified. Can I keep the throttle tip in stock on comfort mode and modified in sport?
4. Other ideas???
Also, on a side note... Does anyone know what parameters Eurochared modifies in the V5 code for engine tuning? Obviously they remove the throttle restriction above 5500 rpm on non p31 cars. It seems they add a some throttle tip in which I don't care so much for. I understand as a tuning company you need to make the tune feel faster to people and tip in might do this somewhat. Is the timing advanced much? Not that I am complaining but what is likely causing the fuel trim changes in my car between stock and V5 code?
the overrun burble can probably be programmed as seen here
05-09-2015, 05:36 PM
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I would like a file for 92 octane for those of us that have trouble finding 93-94 on the street. I will sometimes hear a bit of knock at partial throttle on 92. Not sure if it's from too much throttle tip in with too high of a gear or the timing advance or a combination. My car does not do it on stock tune. Also would like a file that might give a little more timing advance for those special times when I run 100 unleaded. Maybe would be nice to have some knock sensor warning on the gauges in case we had crummy gas or some one inadvertently pumped in 87.
05-10-2015, 12:24 PM
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Not trying to trash talk EC but honestly, Why does their need to be a V6? all these "extras" are legit useless, more sound effects? really? you do realize the V5 blip does nothing but "add extra sound" right? the C63 already does all this, let the exhaust temp's get heated up then it'll fart everytime you let off the gas. Mine does.
Anyways I've had EC since V3, I love EC but honestly, OE's tune is waaaaaaaay more agressive, and OE even comes with a race tune file, which is nice.
Theres nothing more really needed for a tune, unless they can some how make it shift faster (which i doubt) then theres not really to much more, if you want you can go get a custom tune and get a few more ponies, but it'll basically be very similar to a off the shelf
Anyways I've had EC since V3, I love EC but honestly, OE's tune is waaaaaaaay more agressive, and OE even comes with a race tune file, which is nice.
Theres nothing more really needed for a tune, unless they can some how make it shift faster (which i doubt) then theres not really to much more, if you want you can go get a custom tune and get a few more ponies, but it'll basically be very similar to a off the shelf
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05-10-2015, 12:25 PM
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I would like a file for 92 octane for those of us that have trouble finding 93-94 on the street. I will sometimes hear a bit of knock at partial throttle on 92. Not sure if it's from too much throttle tip in with too high of a gear or the timing advance or a combination. My car does not do it on stock tune. Also would like a file that might give a little more timing advance for those special times when I run 100 unleaded. Maybe would be nice to have some knock sensor warning on the gauges in case we had crummy gas or some one inadvertently pumped in 87.
, Maybe once gas starts hitting 00's or race octane it makes a difference.Also if you acidently put in 87...drive it out..
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05-10-2015, 12:54 PM
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Just to be clear and kill a myth that is alive and well: The EC tune does not modify the TCU, only engine management. It does not change gear changes, but how the engine reacts/what it does when you change gears.
05-10-2015, 12:58 PM
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And agree on aggressiveness: My MHP tune is way stronger than the EC tune. And in general, a calibrated custom tune is always preferred over a standard one.
ECs approach with a handheld is trying to make it much easier and add flexibility, but the handhelds are flaky and the documentation is very poor. The whole flashing process is very intransparent and hit and miss. My handheld totally locked up and deleted the stock tune on it when trying to go back to stock. I have given up on it, I do not trust it any more.
ECs approach with a handheld is trying to make it much easier and add flexibility, but the handhelds are flaky and the documentation is very poor. The whole flashing process is very intransparent and hit and miss. My handheld totally locked up and deleted the stock tune on it when trying to go back to stock. I have given up on it, I do not trust it any more.
05-10-2015, 01:07 PM
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And agree on aggressiveness: My MHP tune is way stronger than the EC tune. And in general, a calibrated custom tune is always preferred over a standard one.
ECs approach with a handheld is trying to make it much easier and add flexibility, but the handhelds are flaky and the documentation is very poor. The whole flashing process is very intransparent and hit and miss. My handheld totally locked up and deleted the stock tune on it when trying to go back to stock. I have given up on it, I do not trust it any more.
ECs approach with a handheld is trying to make it much easier and add flexibility, but the handhelds are flaky and the documentation is very poor. The whole flashing process is very intransparent and hit and miss. My handheld totally locked up and deleted the stock tune on it when trying to go back to stock. I have given up on it, I do not trust it any more.
I think EC does a good balance of safe and aggressive. It isn't as aggressive as OE or others but its a good balance. For instance my AFE was rather rich, the OE afe's i've seen are a bit on the lean side.
The handheld worked great for me once I figured out how to update the software, but i've heard a lot of issues with it. I have to re-tune when I get my car back from the shop since the ecu is being replaced I may just give in and drive to houston for a custom tune.
05-10-2015, 05:50 PM
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I'd much rather be too rich than too lean. I don't know what the point is getting any more aggressive with the tune. I was running AFRs from 12-4-12.8 the other week at The Glen on my street tune, and at redline it was creeping higher than that. That's more than aggressive enough for me and I was on straight race gas - anything more and you're starting to compromise the engine IMO. I don't want to see 13's, it's not worth it to me for a tenth here or there.
And I do have a race gas file in case I'm feeling lucky. Yes, it would be nice to have a better interface. Also agree less gimmicks and sounds, more practicality. Maybe some of the gauges can be changed to show warnings such as knock as mentioned above.
But overall, EC is doing a damn good job for me anyway. We will see when I get her to Atco in a few weeks...
And I do have a race gas file in case I'm feeling lucky. Yes, it would be nice to have a better interface. Also agree less gimmicks and sounds, more practicality. Maybe some of the gauges can be changed to show warnings such as knock as mentioned above.
But overall, EC is doing a damn good job for me anyway. We will see when I get her to Atco in a few weeks...
