** HMS TUNING WIDE FENDER KIT GROUP BUY **
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Thanks man
On another note, these are the wheels I think I'm going to go with.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ground-Force...pWECij&vxp=mtr
Custom offset... and not a bad price either.
On another note, these are the wheels I think I'm going to go with.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ground-Force...pWECij&vxp=mtr
Custom offset... and not a bad price either.
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If I go the latter route, the only shop work I'll need is paint. I plan on doing the cutting, spot welding, mounting, etc. myself.
I really **** about fitment and I know no shop will spend the time needed to make sure things are perfect. On my last car (E46 M3), I spent roughly 14 hours adjusting a CSL trunk to make it perfect. Ill fitting and ill painted pieces drive me nuts lol
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A big NO on the 3M adhesive. You should only use "Automotive" grade permanent glue/adhesive only. Fitment should be great. I know 95% of aero parts used by C63 owners are rebranded copies, eBay special, fancy relabeled brands and etc. Since these are hand-made, they should line up perfectly without any trimming for pre-fitment. Good luck on the build!
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2/3 UPDATE
2012+ W204/C63 AMG Coupe fenders are now ready to order. Pricing stays the same and will take a few weeks for production. I will have some photos and updates soon as the majority of the HMS staff is at a exhibition.
2012+ W204/C63 AMG Coupe fenders are now ready to order. Pricing stays the same and will take a few weeks for production. I will have some photos and updates soon as the majority of the HMS staff is at a exhibition.
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A big NO on the 3M adhesive. You should only use "Automotive" grade permanent glue/adhesive only. Fitment should be great. I know 95% of aero parts used by C63 owners are rebranded copies, eBay special, fancy relabeled brands and etc. Since these are hand-made, they should line up perfectly without any trimming for pre-fitment. Good luck on the build!
http://3mcollision.com/3m-panel-bond...ive-08115.html
3M's Panel Boding Adhesive.
EDIT: Also, for those that are DIY'ing - this is the sealant you'll want to use in between the body and the fenders. SikaFlex Poly (either 221 or 227 will work). This is the stuff RWB uses to build their Porsches.
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You read my mind.
I've used the Sikaflex 221 stuff and it works great. I recently saw a video of Nakai doing some installs for RWB-Thailand using the exact same adhesive.
So for all the guys doing D.I.Y. installs or shop installs, buy a couple of those and tell the body shop to use them. It also doesn't hurt to prep and primer the fenders yourself over a free weekend. It's extremely easy to do and will help cut down the labor costs for those having a body shop install them.So really the only left for them to do is (paint match, cutting aka sawzall, and pasting the fenders on).
I've used the Sikaflex 221 stuff and it works great. I recently saw a video of Nakai doing some installs for RWB-Thailand using the exact same adhesive.
So for all the guys doing D.I.Y. installs or shop installs, buy a couple of those and tell the body shop to use them. It also doesn't hurt to prep and primer the fenders yourself over a free weekend. It's extremely easy to do and will help cut down the labor costs for those having a body shop install them.So really the only left for them to do is (paint match, cutting aka sawzall, and pasting the fenders on).
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You read my mind.
I've used the Sikaflex 221 stuff and it works great. I recently saw a video of Nakai doing some installs for RWB-Thailand using the exact same adhesive.
So for all the guys doing D.I.Y. installs or shop installs, buy a couple of those and tell the body shop to use them. It also doesn't hurt to prep and primer the fenders yourself over a free weekend. It's extremely easy to do and will help cut down the labor costs for those having a body shop install them.So really the only left for them to do is (paint match, cutting aka sawzall, and pasting the fenders on).
I've used the Sikaflex 221 stuff and it works great. I recently saw a video of Nakai doing some installs for RWB-Thailand using the exact same adhesive.
So for all the guys doing D.I.Y. installs or shop installs, buy a couple of those and tell the body shop to use them. It also doesn't hurt to prep and primer the fenders yourself over a free weekend. It's extremely easy to do and will help cut down the labor costs for those having a body shop install them.So really the only left for them to do is (paint match, cutting aka sawzall, and pasting the fenders on).
For some of us that are DIY'ing, it would be nice to have a set of go to products we can all agree on. AKA Sikaflex, etc.
1) Sikaflex 221 Seant
2) 3M Panel Bonding Adhesive
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So I'm really considering moulding mine into the body. I'm concerned with the paint cracking at the seam. You guys have any insight on this? I would rather avoid the "stick-on" look if at all possible but I think cracks in the seam will look even worse.
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[QUOTE=AMG3.2;6697042]Nakai is literally an artist. He's unbelievable.
For some of us that are DIY'ing, it would be nice to have a set of go to products we can all agree on. AKA Sikaflex, etc.
1) Sikaflex 221 Seant
2) 3M Panel Bonding Adhesive part number is 08115
I spoke with my paint rep and there are a couple options but the 3M 08115 panel bond will work perfectly due to the fact that it works for multiple surfaces so if DIY'ing use the part number provided there are other ones that look the same but are for metal to metal only.
If unable to get this bonder then hit me up and I can give other brand examples, I'm just not putting them up so it doesn't cause confusion.
For some of us that are DIY'ing, it would be nice to have a set of go to products we can all agree on. AKA Sikaflex, etc.
1) Sikaflex 221 Seant
2) 3M Panel Bonding Adhesive part number is 08115
I spoke with my paint rep and there are a couple options but the 3M 08115 panel bond will work perfectly due to the fact that it works for multiple surfaces so if DIY'ing use the part number provided there are other ones that look the same but are for metal to metal only.
If unable to get this bonder then hit me up and I can give other brand examples, I'm just not putting them up so it doesn't cause confusion.
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I've always used General Electric Window and Door Silicone II Caulk for attaching things like this. Pretty much the same thing and it's 100% silicone.
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Nakai is literally an artist. He's unbelievable.
For some of us that are DIY'ing, it would be nice to have a set of go to products we can all agree on. AKA Sikaflex, etc.
1) Sikaflex 221 Sealant
2) 3M Panel Bonding Adhesive part number is 08115
I spoke with my paint rep and there are a couple options but the 3M 08115 panel bond will work perfectly due to the fact that it works for multiple surfaces so if DIY'ing use the part number provided there are other ones that look the same but are for metal to metal only.
If unable to get this bonder then hit me up and I can give other brand examples, I'm just not putting them up so it doesn't cause confusion.
For some of us that are DIY'ing, it would be nice to have a set of go to products we can all agree on. AKA Sikaflex, etc.
1) Sikaflex 221 Sealant
2) 3M Panel Bonding Adhesive part number is 08115
I spoke with my paint rep and there are a couple options but the 3M 08115 panel bond will work perfectly due to the fact that it works for multiple surfaces so if DIY'ing use the part number provided there are other ones that look the same but are for metal to metal only.
If unable to get this bonder then hit me up and I can give other brand examples, I'm just not putting them up so it doesn't cause confusion.
After digging through and watching a bunch of RWB videos, I stumbled upon what he uses - Sikaflax 221/227 which is actually not silicone. It's a poly sealant. Maybe this is why his looks so neat?
Everytime I lift the tape up (frog tape) it looked a bit scattered.
Watch at 2:28 and you'll see what I mean.
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What did you adhesive use for the carbon vents?
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Cracking will always happen with "molding" that's why I personally would not go that route. HMS Tuning actually tracks their cars so the fenders are installed in more of a race car fashion. Meaning, the overall install is clean but there is not one bit of welding and everything is done with sealant and silicone adhesive so they can remove the fenders or fix damaged fenders etc.
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Cracking will always happen with "molding" that's why I personally would not go that route. HMS Tuning actually tracks their cars so the fenders are installed in more of a race car fashion. Meaning, the overall install is clean but there is not one bit of welding and everything is done with sealant and silicone adhesive so they can remove the fenders or fix damaged fenders etc.
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What did you adhesive use for the carbon vents?
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Cracking will always happen with "molding" that's why I personally would not go that route. HMS Tuning actually tracks their cars so the fenders are installed in more of a race car fashion. Meaning, the overall install is clean but there is not one bit of welding and everything is done with sealant and silicone adhesive so they can remove the fenders or fix damaged fenders etc.
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Cracking will always happen with "molding" that's why I personally would not go that route. HMS Tuning actually tracks their cars so the fenders are installed in more of a race car fashion. Meaning, the overall install is clean but there is not one bit of welding and everything is done with sealant and silicone adhesive so they can remove the fenders or fix damaged fenders etc.
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They make silicone/poly sealant in almost every color. You can use this for the exterior bonding only.
http://www.jamestowndistributors.com...t.do?pid=6510#
After the cutting make sure everything is completely dry. There will be 2 parts of the rear quarter panel. This is for the deep inside portion or the "cavity" of the 2 panels. You can use this stuff known as cavity wax.
Then you can use 3M panel bonding adhesive and clamp the panels together for a tight seal. Now its ready for the fenders. Use the Sikaflex 221 to adhere the fenders onto the body. Using the painters tape method to get the cleanest line for the top portion where fenders meet the body.
http://www.jamestowndistributors.com...t.do?pid=6510#
After the cutting make sure everything is completely dry. There will be 2 parts of the rear quarter panel. This is for the deep inside portion or the "cavity" of the 2 panels. You can use this stuff known as cavity wax.
Then you can use 3M panel bonding adhesive and clamp the panels together for a tight seal. Now its ready for the fenders. Use the Sikaflex 221 to adhere the fenders onto the body. Using the painters tape method to get the cleanest line for the top portion where fenders meet the body.
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Since people often advise against molding frp to metal, I wonder if a shop could Sikaflex the fenders to seal the gap between the fender and metal and then paint over that?
How is this done for example? If you look close enough, you can see it was somehow molded.
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Not sure if this is the HMS kit, but definitely looks molded.
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The black sedan is the HMS RS700 (FL) with the full HMS kit with only black colored adhesive bonding.
The silver estate is the HMS RS700 with 1/2 of the HMS kit and the OEM Black Series rear bumper and sides. It looks like they have mastered the technique of skim layering the adhesive to give it a seamless look. But from what they've told me, HMS has never "molded" fenders in with bondo.
The silver estate is the HMS RS700 with 1/2 of the HMS kit and the OEM Black Series rear bumper and sides. It looks like they have mastered the technique of skim layering the adhesive to give it a seamless look. But from what they've told me, HMS has never "molded" fenders in with bondo.
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Are you sure? That's absolutely amazing... I was completely convinced it was some how molded as even the shine and sheen looks to be the same.
Oh another thing I just thought of -- the HMS silver estate is probably wrapped giving it that true seamless look.
The only thing I'm worried about is the color if poly sealant to use at the seams since I have a white car.
What would you do? White Sikaflex?
Oh another thing I just thought of -- the HMS silver estate is probably wrapped giving it that true seamless look.
The only thing I'm worried about is the color if poly sealant to use at the seams since I have a white car.
What would you do? White Sikaflex?
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It's really hard to tell but you can see the seam line. I also think it's actual Magno Selenite type paint not vinyl.
I would use white or clear. I would go with white since it has less of a tendency to yellowing. Here's the RS Domanig C63 with extra widened HMS kit and molded with bondo/filler.
I would use white or clear. I would go with white since it has less of a tendency to yellowing. Here's the RS Domanig C63 with extra widened HMS kit and molded with bondo/filler.
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It's really hard to tell but you can see the seam line. I also think it's actual Magno Selenite type paint not vinyl.
I would use white or clear. I would go with white since it has less of a tendency to yellowing. Here's the RS Domanig C63 with extra widened HMS kit and molded with bondo/filler.
I would use white or clear. I would go with white since it has less of a tendency to yellowing. Here's the RS Domanig C63 with extra widened HMS kit and molded with bondo/filler.
For reference, this is the shop: http://www.yelp.com/biz/elite-auto-body-sacramento
They've done some crazy work. They put an M4 rear bumper and M6 front bumper onto a E60 M5 and it looks really, really good.
When I take it in, I plan to ask them about molding them on as I'm not sure exactly how I'll like the white Sika Flex.
We'll see when the time comes I guess. Hoping they can give me good insight.