kimeran

Some of the reasoning people give to make it seem ok
I'm not a fan of the location of the gear shifter.
I always drive these cars in manual mode... It is quite annoying when you are turning at an intersection and need to upshift, but need to do it on the steering wheel

beejAMG

Well your reason of "more space for coffee mugs and gum" makes much more sense than safety doesnt it?

Tell me, how many coffee cups can you put on the new 63 compared to the old 63 since they moved the gear lever? Oh yeah thats right, still 2 cups!

Purist driver...sure.

beejAMG

One word... Paddles

w204nyc

I grew up in Europe so all we had was manual cars. I prefer manuals but AMG doesn't make them. Having a gear shifter where it belongs gives you some sense that you're driving a semi-automatic. I don't care for safety in a 500hp rocket

beejAMG

well excuse me Mr. Knievel, maybe less redbull for you.

w204nyc

Lol I think AMG would attract a lot more enthusiasts if they make a few manuals.

beejAMG

That we can agree on.

abcut973

Lol! 4 pages on detached exhaust tips!!! Wow!!!
Crazy how this forum has turned into ... maybe one of the reason I don't come here as often as before.
Either way they are some funny replies here and I have to admit this was very entertaining!
But in all seriousness this is not news. My C63BS has chrome tips integrated to the rear bumper. As C63amgTokyo mentioned when it came out no one was complaining about it. I can understand from a design point of view some might like it or not but performance wise there is nothing wrong with it. The exhaust pipes are still coming from that great V8 engine (whether NA or turbo) therefore sound is 100% real and un-altered

yamahazing

I was giving you too much credit thinking you could hold an intelligent conversation when clearly those little icons are much more important to you.

One of many threads discussing the reason for moving the shifter:

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/gene...ve-gear-2.html

betrezra

W205:
Shifter move-fail.
fake ex tips - fail.
made in alabama - fail.
.................. let me find an appropriate emoticon for all of this.

beejAMG

whats that? another link to another thread that a friend of your friend heard from his neighbor thats a cousin of your high school roommate said?

im saving my intelligence for people who can relate. sorry if the icons bother you but apparently its the best way to relay messages to mentally challenged people.

Btw, you still havent answered my question, so how many more coffee cup holders were MB able to add to the new 63 again?

cyberorth

Maybe you all ought to go do a test drive and see if your mind will be changed for you instead of this back and forth waste of bandwidth. The w205 isn't a lot of things w204 was, but I promise you will think differently with a first hand experience.
W204 is far from a "purist driver's" sports car. And check your rear view mirror. The stick shift is (sadly) dead. You gotta get with the times unfortunately.

nycphotography

Whazzat you say? People on the internet actually having touched and used the things they "know all about"?!!? Hahaahah that's rich. Keep up the funny stuff.

DuaneC63

It's worse than fake exhaust tips. AMG 63 is a Turbo 5.5. Just call it that. The worst is the AMG 45 is a 2 liter 4 banger. BMW is just as bad 335 equals 3 liter Turbo and 328 is a 2 liter 4 banger. I remembered when the rear badging meant something. I blacked mine out and let the real exhaust do the talking.

Groundtorpedo

Hi Folks,

as an Owner of a 1993 TVR Griffith 430 and a 2009 C63 T-Modell i am of the Opinion that the newest AMGīs are simply Mercedes with an AMG-Badge. They are Fakes, produced for Markets as f.e. China. Equipped with small Turbo-Engines, which are much cheaper to produce. But will not last as far as long as the naturally aspirated AMG 6.2 Engines.

Whereas the TVR is a real Sportscar, the C63 is a Roadrunner par Excellence. Itīs simply brutal, extremely fast (mine has measured 520 DIN HP) but still an extremely comfortable and "easy to handle" car. No Exhaust-Fake. No Sound-Fake. Simply a big V8 with endless Power. But still a reliable Car. In comparison of the TCO itīs even cheaper than some much less more powerfull Alfa Romeos. This because of the AMG-Quality.

Unfortunately AMG was bought by Mercedes. And so they will more and more go their future way as a Mercedes "Sportsbrand". Till they totaly loose their own specific Charakter.

But thatīs Life. So what.
Happy to own one of the last real AMG-Monster-V8.

Best Regards

GT

KozzyKoz

It boils to simple math...
1) The fitment of the new ports is with millimeters of the bumpers, which I think we can all agree looks great. This can't be achieved over 1000's of cars if the exhaust hung seperately from the bumper. There would be slight variances that would require inefficient production adjustments, strictly for aesthetics.
.....which brings Me to point #2.....
2) If the tips were affixed to the actual pipes, they would move while revving, under acceleration, and while braking/downshifting... Extra radial space around them would be needed for that movement to avoid vibrating against the bumper... and that wouldn't look as nice.
....which brings Us back to point #1.
We love the snug look of the dual outlets in the bumper.

If Function (hi performance) isn't sacrificed as a result, then ///AMG will override it in the name of Form!

Lets not underestimate the power of the almighty dollar either. Mercedes keeps building them with cheaper & cheaper build quality, and we keep buying them in record numbers...

Who's the one making the mistake??
Them? Or Us??

- KozzyKoz -

...

cliffyk

It's just a part of the banal and at times repulsive unpleasantness that plagues modern automobile design. I find the video game inspired front and rear ends, each designed to pander increasingly to the automotive pop-culture's obsession with "aggressiveness", to be especially egregious.

The assertion that this was done to protect the "expensive" exhaust system is ludicrous--it was done so that the appearance of the car's having a high performance exhaust system could be attained using vacuum metalized "chromed" cheap plastic rings instead of rolled or machined actually chrome plated metal exhaust tips.

Putting forth that replacing all that plastic crap would be less expensive than just replacing real exhaust tips and some bent pipe is equally absurd.

This is a great short treatise on why automotive design is in the sorry state it is. I particularly enjoy the paper's closing comment:

Perhaps the cars of today are not being styled to look good on actual streets, but rather to have the proper menacing demeanour when rendered in Grand Theft Auto.

AVB-AMG

The fake quad exhaust tips are just the latest step that posers will take to attempt to fool others into thinking they have a real AMG or M-Series vehicle, specifically the AMG or M engine and corresponding upgraded suspension and brakes.

Sad, but nothing new... People will buy fake / knock-offs of most popular fashion accessories and clothing, so I guess it is to be expected to also infect the high-end automotive models. For those of us that have the real thing, we can rest knowing what we have and are not sad pretenders attempting to have something that they don't....

My advice, save up and eventually purchase the real thing, maybe starting off with a used version so it is more affordable.

AVB-AMG

BSOWERS34

CLA45 and GLA45 as well. But they do not say AMG on them. I don't like the fact that they are not attached to the pipes on my 45, but who cares since it still sounds good.

Groundtorpedo

and i donīt need a new one for approx. 10 years.

Since mine has 105.000 km now, and i drive about 10-15k km yearly with it, it will last very long. Because itīs still AMG-Quality. Beside the fact that i own some other MB which i can also use for a Shopping Drive with my GF.

Talking about AMG-Exhausts is simply funny. Because there is still simply one Engine that represents AMG. Which is the 6.2 Engine with all of its Derivates. This is the last AMG Exhaust without Soundtuning.

Kind Regards

GT

Groundtorpedo

@BSOWERS34:

Had an CLA45 yesterday. I just wondered what car is able to follow me that fast till 250 km/h. Was a white CLA 45 AMG. It lost some hundred meters, but it was pretty fast and able to follow since it didnīt had the Chance for Topspeed.

However i can tell you that even the much lighter CLA 45 has not even the Slice of a Chance to outrun the C63 AMG even if it is the "Transporter"-Type.

And: It is not an AMG anymore! Take a Look at the AMG Wikipedia. They allways buildt Big Engines. In my personal Opinion it would be a Shock if Corvette would start the Production of a 3 Litre Turbo with 800 HP. Let the Japanese do that.

Best Regards

GT

ANico

Too bad, so sad. Anyone who appreciates nice cars will spot the fabrication straight away. My wife saw it and she isn't a car freak. The exhausts on my car are very much a part of the great look. The wheels, the red calipers, the exhaust tips are like jewellery on a beautiful woman. Fix it Mercedes.

Wolfman

You are drowning in nostalgia...

The new engines in the 63S (also shared with the AMG GTS minus the dry sump) are true AMG engines and easily outperform the NA 6.2. Fake exhaust tips and all.
Also, AMG has more freedom (and money) to build what they want than ever before; I think the GTS is a full in-house development for example. Tech and environmental requirements just keep on moving forward.

I know it's been stated before but MB and AMG have used fake exhaust tips for at least 3 or so years...

Groundtorpedo

Not knowing about the GTS Exhaust Pipes. And the potential Outperforming of the Turbo-Engines does not matter to me at all. F.E.: Would AMG built the 6.2 Litre Engine with Twin-Turbos this would perhaps outperform all other AMG-Engines.

Simply sad about the fact that AMG looses itīs own Religion. And that was allways pure German Big Block.

Itīs not allways the best Thing to have more Power. I could f.e. also afford a Nissan GTR. But it is in no way sexy for me. IMHO the AMG-Mercs are affordable but also reliable. And this is what makes AMG sexy. Itīs simply a AllDaysDriverCar with brutal Power. The Nissan may be one, the Ferraris are not ones and all other Brands (even BMW and AUDI) are much less reliable.

The C63 is simply a Car i the good old Merc Tradition. It runs, runs and runs.
Because it is underpowered.

Best regards

GT

DuaneC63

Since AMG was purchased by MBZ, things have started going south. AMG used to be a very exclusive limited production car (usually one model type be any given year) that only enthusiast knew about. AMG had a manufacturers license in Germany. Many of the cars had no MBZ badging on them at all. The last real AMG was the 2000 C43. (I had a 1999 C43 and very few people knew what it even was.) After that MBZ started making an AMG version in just about every model line they had. It diluted the brand identity and made it appeal to people just because it cost more, not because of its performance. As noted that downward trend is accelerating with the misleading badges, and "AMG" wheel packages.