Black Series questions
04-09-2017, 07:23 AM
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Black Series questions
couple questions:
1. Which hoods are Aluminum? Only the 507 and BS? or all FL?
2. I keep reading about Carbon Fiber this and that (inserts, fenders, body panels) for the Black Series. What was this, the car came from the factory one way, with a Steel/Aluminum body and then there is a list of Carbon factory Items you can buy? or was there an option code for everything carbon for the Black series? maybe in combination with the back seat deletion?
And even there you still could not get rid of the 100 lb glass roof? even there, there was no carbon panel to delete the sunroof?
3. Does the Black series have a standard, or optional carbon driveshaft?
4. When you have the carbon ceramic rotors option, as far as the rear brakes, do they come with the separate mechanical parking brake calipers, because there are no more drums?
1. Which hoods are Aluminum? Only the 507 and BS? or all FL?
2. I keep reading about Carbon Fiber this and that (inserts, fenders, body panels) for the Black Series. What was this, the car came from the factory one way, with a Steel/Aluminum body and then there is a list of Carbon factory Items you can buy? or was there an option code for everything carbon for the Black series? maybe in combination with the back seat deletion?
And even there you still could not get rid of the 100 lb glass roof? even there, there was no carbon panel to delete the sunroof?
3. Does the Black series have a standard, or optional carbon driveshaft?
4. When you have the carbon ceramic rotors option, as far as the rear brakes, do they come with the separate mechanical parking brake calipers, because there are no more drums?
04-09-2017, 09:32 AM
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i assume you are talking about C204 BS, not SLS because that will be a total different story
1) yes for all FL
2) Carbon fiber parts have differnt optional code for BS, there are interior /exterior option codes for decoration (like mirror and side skirts), racing option (front canards, rear wing, bigger front spoiler）you wont have carbon roof even if you want to delete the glass sunroof
3)no, as i mentioned, C63 bs is actuall a normal C204 with E63 rear axle, enhanced oil cooler, tuned ECU, the engine parts is exactly the same as P31/507
4)CCB is not an option on C63 bs but you can retrofit them without any issue.
all you mentioned like carbon driveshaft and hood/fender is actually standard spec on SLS bs which makes it totally different from a normal SLS, (and lion battery, different engine parts etc.) but a C63 BS is not
1) yes for all FL
2) Carbon fiber parts have differnt optional code for BS, there are interior /exterior option codes for decoration (like mirror and side skirts), racing option (front canards, rear wing, bigger front spoiler）you wont have carbon roof even if you want to delete the glass sunroof
3)no, as i mentioned, C63 bs is actuall a normal C204 with E63 rear axle, enhanced oil cooler, tuned ECU, the engine parts is exactly the same as P31/507
4)CCB is not an option on C63 bs but you can retrofit them without any issue.
all you mentioned like carbon driveshaft and hood/fender is actually standard spec on SLS bs which makes it totally different from a normal SLS, (and lion battery, different engine parts etc.) but a C63 BS is not
04-09-2017, 11:23 AM
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FYI my FL hood is definitely not aluminum. Only the BS/507 hoods are.
And there was no carbon driveshaft option from the factory.
(since we are in the W204 C63 forum, all my answers are in reference to those cars)
And there was no carbon driveshaft option from the factory.
(since we are in the W204 C63 forum, all my answers are in reference to those cars)
04-09-2017, 03:50 PM
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My 2012 definitely has an aluminum hood and the underside reinforcement panels are aluminum as well. It freaked me out that yours isn't aluminum. Check it with a magnet...lol
I really noticed the difference in weight from my 2010 when I opened the hood for the first time and still notice it now.
I really noticed the difference in weight from my 2010 when I opened the hood for the first time and still notice it now.
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04-09-2017, 05:43 PM
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Really? Sounds like steel. Car in the shop so I can't check, but I could've sworn that it was steel....
04-09-2017, 05:55 PM
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My thought was that all fl were aluminum because they added a lot of electronics and had to reduce the weight ... somewhere so that the overall stays below 4000 lb.
Too bad they did not have a carbon roof option for the C63 bs.
Now that this was brought up, no li ion battery either.
I know about the GT and SLS carbon driveshafts, but both are transaxle cars.
The C63 BS is not, so if there was a carbon driveshaft option, that would be interesting to know.
Then again the w205 are not transaxle either, BMW puts carbon driveshafts in every m3/4, Mercedes doesn't like to be left behind, so I think eventually the cars will start to have them.
I see that for w205 the carbon ceramic brakes only mean front brakes, the rear stays with steel rotors and floating calipers.
I get that the normal W204 C63 did not have carbon brakes option, but I thought they were available for BS.
Did the carbon ceramic brakes for W204 BS also mean only carbon fronts?
Too bad they did not have a carbon roof option for the C63 bs.
Now that this was brought up, no li ion battery either.
I know about the GT and SLS carbon driveshafts, but both are transaxle cars.
The C63 BS is not, so if there was a carbon driveshaft option, that would be interesting to know.
Then again the w205 are not transaxle either, BMW puts carbon driveshafts in every m3/4, Mercedes doesn't like to be left behind, so I think eventually the cars will start to have them.
I see that for w205 the carbon ceramic brakes only mean front brakes, the rear stays with steel rotors and floating calipers.
I get that the normal W204 C63 did not have carbon brakes option, but I thought they were available for BS.
Did the carbon ceramic brakes for W204 BS also mean only carbon fronts?
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04-09-2017, 07:04 PM
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04-09-2017, 07:09 PM
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wait, there was no carbon brakes for C63 Black Series?
So what's all this thing about converting C63 brakes to Carbon Black Series brakes?
Maybe I got this wrong then..
So what's all this thing about converting C63 brakes to Carbon Black Series brakes?
Maybe I got this wrong then..
04-09-2017, 07:21 PM
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My 2013 is 100% an aluminum hood, pretty sure all the FL are, mine is just a standard C63 - take a magnet to it if you don't believe me!
04-09-2017, 07:25 PM
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Well that changes everything then. I can totally cut the hood with my Dremel if it's Al. Will try the old magnet when I get it back next week.
04-09-2017, 10:20 PM
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as i mentioned, there is no optional CCB on C63 bs - but good thing is C63bs has bigger caliper / disc than standard c63 so you can retrofit 400mm CCB to front without any issue. and since the rear axle is from E/CLS63, you can swap to CCB rear without any problem too. - the only thing is they are not available in official option package. you just need to get the right parts and retrofit.
My thought was that all fl were aluminum because they added a lot of electronics and had to reduce the weight ... somewhere so that the overall stays below 4000 lb.
Too bad they did not have a carbon roof option for the C63 bs.
Now that this was brought up, no li ion battery either.
I know about the GT and SLS carbon driveshafts, but both are transaxle cars.
The C63 BS is not, so if there was a carbon driveshaft option, that would be interesting to know.
Then again the w205 are not transaxle either, BMW puts carbon driveshafts in every m3/4, Mercedes doesn't like to be left behind, so I think eventually the cars will start to have them.
I see that for w205 the carbon ceramic brakes only mean front brakes, the rear stays with steel rotors and floating calipers.
I get that the normal W204 C63 did not have carbon brakes option, but I thought they were available for BS.
Did the carbon ceramic brakes for W204 BS also mean only carbon fronts?
Too bad they did not have a carbon roof option for the C63 bs.
Now that this was brought up, no li ion battery either.
I know about the GT and SLS carbon driveshafts, but both are transaxle cars.
The C63 BS is not, so if there was a carbon driveshaft option, that would be interesting to know.
Then again the w205 are not transaxle either, BMW puts carbon driveshafts in every m3/4, Mercedes doesn't like to be left behind, so I think eventually the cars will start to have them.
I see that for w205 the carbon ceramic brakes only mean front brakes, the rear stays with steel rotors and floating calipers.
I get that the normal W204 C63 did not have carbon brakes option, but I thought they were available for BS.
Did the carbon ceramic brakes for W204 BS also mean only carbon fronts?
04-10-2017, 01:55 AM
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