Group Buy: DSS - Carbon Fiber Driveshaft
Well this thread caught my eye since I'm new to the platform. Read through all the weight reporting issues and just went to DSS to see what they are selling for now. Look I get you need to use slick marketing speak and slight of hand, but they way this reads is, honestly, more than a little misleading:
Our 3.25” carbon fiber driveshaft is now available now for the W204 Mercedes C63 AMG. Our shaft comes with a 300m stub system mounted into a billet aluminum plate to ensure not only strength but lighter weight than the normal way of doing this type of end (look closely at the CV end, it's not all steel). The shaft only weighs 18lbs and comes with special grade 12.9 uber strength hardware with back up lock nuts to ensure no loose bolts. We have been using this billet aluminum style plate for over 10 years on thousands of 1000+Hp Supras, BMWs and many more without any bolt issues.
Source: http://www.driveshaftshop.com/import.../mercedes/2008
Our 3.25” carbon fiber driveshaft is now available now for the W204 Mercedes C63 AMG. Our shaft comes with a 300m stub system mounted into a billet aluminum plate to ensure not only strength but lighter weight than the normal way of doing this type of end (look closely at the CV end, it's not all steel). The shaft only weighs 18lbs and comes with special grade 12.9 uber strength hardware with back up lock nuts to ensure no loose bolts. We have been using this billet aluminum style plate for over 10 years on thousands of 1000+Hp Supras, BMWs and many more without any bolt issues.
Source: http://www.driveshaftshop.com/import.../mercedes/2008
Doubtful. I think what they mean to say is that the carbon fiber shaft alone weighs 18lbs but that this isn’t the “real” weight. So when a guy like me without the benefit of this forum sees them say the shaft weighs 18 pounds I think they mean shaft as in the entire thing. But I bet they just mean the cf tube alone. That’s why it’s misleading. But as others have obviously said, there are noticeable differences even despite the weight.
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Doubtful. I think what they mean to say is that the carbon fiber shaft alone weighs 18lbs but that this isn’t the “real” weight. So when a guy like me without the benefit of this forum sees them say the shaft weighs 18 pounds I think they mean shaft as in the entire thing. But I bet they just mean the cf tube alone. That’s why it’s misleading. But as others have obviously said, there are noticeable differences even despite the weight.
Either way, I'm confident this helped with power transfer at the strip.
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From all the disapointment that I just read, it doesnt seem like a second group buy would be possible lol I was also really hyped up to buy it a few months ago but it was either that or mbh headers... Luckily I chose the headers. A CF driveshaft is now knocked waaaaay down my future mods list 
From all the disapointment that I just read, it doesnt seem like a second group buy would be possible lol I was also really hyped up to buy it a few months ago but it was either that or mbh headers... Luckily I chose the headers. A CF driveshaft is now knocked waaaaay down my future mods list
Headers are out for me cause I'm in SMOG land so I'm looking for others things to make the car mine. Bolt-in cf shaft seemed like a good way to go based on the feedback.
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Well yes there was disappointment about weight savings, but it did appear people overcame that small setback after they felt the improvements to the car. At least that's how I read the feedback getting posted...
Headers are out for me cause I'm in SMOG land so I'm looking for others things to make the car mine. Bolt-in cf shaft seemed like a good way to go based on the feedback.
Headers are out for me cause I'm in SMOG land so I'm looking for others things to make the car mine. Bolt-in cf shaft seemed like a good way to go based on the feedback.
There are a decent number of members in CA running headers without much problem passing emissions.
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Well yes there was disappointment about weight savings, but it did appear people overcame that small setback after they felt the improvements to the car. At least that's how I read the feedback getting posted...
Headers are out for me cause I'm in SMOG land so I'm looking for others things to make the car mine. Bolt-in cf shaft seemed like a good way to go based on the feedback.
Headers are out for me cause I'm in SMOG land so I'm looking for others things to make the car mine. Bolt-in cf shaft seemed like a good way to go based on the feedback.
+1, also in CA, havent had to smog yet but if anything, just pay for a hot smog. it’s only a small fee once every 2 years for registration.
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I also read feedback of problems and vibrations after install. I think the “improvement” is more in the mind. Sure, 1 piece but Im pretty sure it’s barely or unnoticed in your everyday driving. Unless you plan on drag racing or supercharging, it’s pretty much useless IMHO.
No, the improvement is not “in the mind”. And no it’s not “pretty much useless” on a NA car. Believe whatever you want with your uninformed useless opinion. I absolutely love mine.
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Well yes there was disappointment about weight savings, but it did appear people overcame that small setback after they felt the improvements to the car. At least that's how I read the feedback getting posted...
Headers are out for me cause I'm in SMOG land so I'm looking for others things to make the car mine. Bolt-in cf shaft seemed like a good way to go based on the feedback.
Headers are out for me cause I'm in SMOG land so I'm looking for others things to make the car mine. Bolt-in cf shaft seemed like a good way to go based on the feedback.
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Initially I was very disappointed to learn of the less than 1lb of difference between the CF and OEM steel units.
But it seems there are favorable reports of improved throttle response.
And the CF unit may very well withstand the rigors of forced induction (see ESS Supercharger) better, and with much less collateral damage than the OEM steel unit, if stressed to failure.
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I would venture to guess that most members who have had one installed feel the same way. There is a world of difference in throttle response now. When you mash the "go" pedal there is absolutely NO hesitation at all. Power transfer from pedal to motor to transmission to rear wheels is INSTANT. I would do it all over again if given the chance.
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I just wanted to make a modest little note and say that I am .... close... to getting an answer from Mercedes regarding the weight of the $750 C63 Black series driveshaft.....
If that thing is 10lb lighter with harder durometer donuts...............
If that thing is 10lb lighter with harder durometer donuts...............
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For my 2012, the correct part is 2044101300. For the Black Series, it’s the same part number.
So there’s some kind of difference between driveshafts within PFL models, and versus FL cars (and this may be where Frank @ DSS thought we’d save weight, maybe the PFL shaft is heavy and they went lighter on the FL models). But the BS doesn’t have a different part number than any other FL car.
The center bearing is also the same part number. HOWEVER, the “flex coupling” part number for the BS is unique. So there’s a difference. What it is I don’t know.
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Interesting..... The original driveshaft part number for the PFL was 2044102206. This was superseded with part 2044103346.
For my 2012, the correct part is 2044101300. For the Black Series, it’s the same part number.
So there’s some kind of difference between driveshafts within PFL models, and versus FL cars (and this may be where Frank @ DSS thought we’d save weight, maybe the PFL shaft is heavy and they went lighter on the FL models). But the BS doesn’t have a different part number than any other FL car.
The center bearing is also the same part number. HOWEVER, the “flex coupling” part number for the BS is unique. So there’s a difference. What it is I don’t know.
While for fl it's 204 410 13 00
for the Black series it is a unique part number, different than all the other FL cars
204 410 25 00
The flex discs have several part numbers for the front and several for the rear and yes, there are:
000 411 06 00 and 000 411 10 00 which carry code P98, for Black series. However, the part number remains the same as with the non black series for the Coupe.
So I'll have to check with a Mercedes Parts professional, maybe they're the same, or maybe they're ordered with VIN number and P98 specified.
However, I'm interested in your idea about pfl vs fl driveshaft weight and the first excuse I have to take the driveshaft out, I will weigh it.
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Where is the Black Series DS with Part # 204 410 25 00 available for $750? Lowest I can find from reputable sources is $924 + shipping.
Interestingly, the FL DS with Part # 204 410 13 00 is costlier than the BS DS
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You know what would be great though? If somebody, with mega search skills can locate a picture of the thing, let's see how it actually looks like. Maybe the answer becomes obvious once we see the thing..
The drawing from the parts catalog is for representation only and even shows a bearing support from a different car.
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You have the part number of the driveshaft for the black series wrong.
While for fl it's 204 410 13 00
for the Black series it is a unique part number, different than all the other FL cars
204 410 25 00
The flex discs have several part numbers for the front and several for the rear and yes, there are:
000 411 06 00 and 000 411 10 00 which carry code P98, for Black series. However, the part number remains the same as with the non black series for the Coupe.
So I'll have to check with a Mercedes Parts professional, maybe they're the same, or maybe they're ordered with VIN number and P98 specified.
However, I'm interested in your idea about pfl vs fl driveshaft weight and the first excuse I have to take the driveshaft out, I will weigh it.
While for fl it's 204 410 13 00
for the Black series it is a unique part number, different than all the other FL cars
204 410 25 00
The flex discs have several part numbers for the front and several for the rear and yes, there are:
000 411 06 00 and 000 411 10 00 which carry code P98, for Black series. However, the part number remains the same as with the non black series for the Coupe.
So I'll have to check with a Mercedes Parts professional, maybe they're the same, or maybe they're ordered with VIN number and P98 specified.
However, I'm interested in your idea about pfl vs fl driveshaft weight and the first excuse I have to take the driveshaft out, I will weigh it.
