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More Takata news from NBC, M-B content
A faulty Takata air bag inflator has killed another person, this time in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, Honda said Tuesday night. The death comes about one month after a report on the Takata recalls shows that automakers have replaced only 43 percent of the faulty parts even though recalls have been under way for more than 15 years. The unidentified person is the 20th death worldwide attributed to the faulty inflators, which can explode with too much force and hurl shrapnel into car and truck cabins.
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The report, issued by an independent monitor who is keeping tabs on the recalls, also shows that auto companies are only about halfway toward a Dec. 31 goal of 100 percent replacement of older and more dangerous inflators. The slow completion rate comes even though NHTSA coordinated the recalls and phased them in two years ago. Before that, the automakers were obtaining parts and distributing them on their own. Normally automakers fix 75 percent of vehicles within 18 months after the recall is announced.
Completion rates vary wildly by automaker, according to NHTSA. Tesla was best at 78.6 percent, followed by Honda at 64.8 percent. Mercedes-Benz was the worst at 2.3 percent.
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The report, issued by an independent monitor who is keeping tabs on the recalls, also shows that auto companies are only about halfway toward a Dec. 31 goal of 100 percent replacement of older and more dangerous inflators. The slow completion rate comes even though NHTSA coordinated the recalls and phased them in two years ago. Before that, the automakers were obtaining parts and distributing them on their own. Normally automakers fix 75 percent of vehicles within 18 months after the recall is announced.
Completion rates vary wildly by automaker, according to NHTSA. Tesla was best at 78.6 percent, followed by Honda at 64.8 percent. Mercedes-Benz was the worst at 2.3 percent.
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Every one of these deaths should be pinned to Takata and their associated car manufacturers as a homicide. It’s a fuking disgrace that this bullsht continues.
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There are older and more dangerous takatas and newer and less dangerous ones? We have the newer ones then?Honestly, Mercedes could help with this by organizing an official conversion/retrofit to a W205 steering wheel. It will not happen of course.
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i also found it interesting it was not the original airbag so that latest car was maybe fixed with a faulty part from another car and then the airbag is faulty in a car with a non faulty VIN so now you have to be afraid of any car unless you either bought it new and it has not had airbags fixed or you know the recall was done, that is a bit scary!
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I got a letter from mb saying my car was under recal but nothing yet ready to get it fixed.
why don' they disable the airbags until they have the new parts for us?
let us sign a wavier acknowledging its disabled
why don' they disable the airbags until they have the new parts for us?
let us sign a wavier acknowledging its disabled
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totally agee and does anyone else find it interesting that 90% of the deaths are in Honda’s, seems like there maybe a flaw in the airbag and then an additional flaw in Honda’s integration the majorly increases the chances of death over other brands. There are a lot of Honda’s in the world but the airbags are in all brand so statistically Honda should be no more than 20-30% of deaths so it is more than just the faulty bag and if I had a civic or accord I would sure as hell get it fixed or get rid of it!
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Because the probability of the airbag saving your life is FAR higher than the odds of it hurting you. Twenty deaths over a decade is a tragedy, but airbags probably save more lives than that every day.
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What's unreal to me is that M-B has fixed about 16,400 cars out of the 711,000 they produced that are under recall. Given the lengthy time frame of ongoing repairs that number is simply inexplicable. I'd love to hear the BS spew forth when confronted about that. What are they thinking?
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What's unreal to me is that M-B has fixed about 18,500 cars out of the 711,000 they produced that are under recall. Given the lengthy time frame of ongoing repairs that number is simply inexplicable. I'd love to hear the BS spew forth when confronted about that. What are they thinking?
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It seems as if Mercedes doesnt have the parts so no one can get their car fixed, mine would be there tomorrow if they had the parts, I have had 2 BMW's done in the past year without issues as they had parts available.
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It may be more related to the age of the airbag, as they degrade over time. Not sure when Takata started using the unstable propellant in their inflators (late 90's?) or whether Honda was an early adopter, but almost all of the Honda deaths are from 2001 to 2003-vintage cars. (See list at https://www.cbsnews.com/news/20th-de...rted-by-honda/).
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But you can't bring it in w/o be notified that you can bring it in. Apparently not a single W204 C class of any model has been been repaired yet. There are 10-year old C's in hot, humid TX and LA that would seen to be approaching the high risk category if not there already. 2.3% just doesn't cut it. If nothing else having that figure out there now - it's the first time I've been made aware of it - seems if nothing else to be extraordinarily poor judgement from the PR standpoint. I just don't get it and I don't buy into it.
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Which models of MB are affected? I know my old W211 was unaffected, but the Honda Accord I had at the time certainly was. I never saw W204s on the list (from Takata themselves). Maybe it was there and I didn't see it?
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Wait, is this about the steering column issue? They just sent out a notice about that like a month or 2 ago. Talking to an SA, they haven't been given the service bulletin or parts to fix it yet.
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I don't think it is about the airbag iteslf. It is the clock spring that can be defective. If the clock spring is defective the ground is compromised and the airbag can deploy from an electrostatic discharge. If the clock spring is defective you will get a driver side airbag warning message in the cluster. An inadvertent driver airbag deployment may cause risk of injury to the driver and might increase the risk of a potential crash.
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I don't think it is about the airbag iteslf. It is the clock spring that can be defective. If the clock spring is defective the ground is compromised and the airbag can deploy from an electrostatic discharge. If the clock spring is defective you will get a driver side airbag warning message in the cluster. An inadvertent driver airbag deployment may cause risk of injury to the driver and might increase the risk of a potential crash.
There was also a recall on all early 204s for the srs module for a possible internal fault that could result in loss of airbags or accidental inflation. We still replace them from time to time.
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Myself and others have a 2012 FL C63 (the earliest Facelift in the US, Europe it was 2011), but when checking official MB website for Recalls via VIN, only the Passenger Airbag is a Takata recall.
No mention of the Driver's side Airbag. No mention of a Driver's side faulty grounding/clockspring.
Are we missing a recall notice for this Driver's Airbag for the 2012 FL in US?
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Hi Joe, really appreciate your Tech info on this forum!
Myself and others have a 2012 FL C63 (the earliest Facelift in the US, Europe it was 2011), but when checking official MB website for Recalls via VIN, only the Passenger Airbag is a Takata recall.
No mention of the Driver's side Airbag. No mention of a Driver's faulty side faulty grounding/clockspring.
Are we missing a recall notice for this Driver's Airbag for the 2012 FL in US?
Myself and others have a 2012 FL C63 (the earliest Facelift in the US, Europe it was 2011), but when checking official MB website for Recalls via VIN, only the Passenger Airbag is a Takata recall.
No mention of the Driver's side Airbag. No mention of a Driver's faulty side faulty grounding/clockspring.
Are we missing a recall notice for this Driver's Airbag for the 2012 FL in US?
The grounding thing i've also only seen on the 205/117/156 chassis cars, not on the 204.
