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Old Jun 5, 2018 | 09:56 PM
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Does anyone know the torque specs for the bolts with a front brake caliper?


Dear everyone

hello. Now I’m planning to change the front brake pad. So there is the bolt through the front caliper also l have to loose the bolt and have to atach the bolt after pad change.
So I’d like to know the torque specs of the bolt.

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Old Jun 5, 2018 | 10:13 PM
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Old Jun 5, 2018 | 11:18 PM
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30 Nm is the spec in WIS
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Old Jun 5, 2018 | 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ItalianJoe1
30 Nm is the spec in WIS
You ever find the one for the hex retaining bolt that attaches the caliper to the bracket? They don't even label it in the WIS.
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Old Jun 5, 2018 | 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Jasonoff
You ever find the one for the hex retaining bolt that attaches the caliper to the bracket? They don't even label it in the WIS.
Sure they do, number 35 in this doc, 180 Nm, use a new bolt every time (locking compound on threads)
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Old Jun 6, 2018 | 12:25 AM
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Dear Jasonoff italianjoe1

Hello. Thank you for your return.
I had the specs I appeciated your mails.
So I’ll try to do it after work.

Anyway thank you!!!
best regards.

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Old Jun 6, 2018 | 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by ItalianJoe1
Sure they do, number 35 in this doc, 180 Nm, use a new bolt every time (locking compound on threads)
Yup, one time use and 135ft/lbs. I checked mine just before the start of the season. The calipers had been on and off a few times and I forgot to use new bolts. None were loose, but they definitely weren’t near 135. You’d have a real bad day if one of those let go (google it). I threw in the new spare bolts that I had and ordered another bag of new bolts (8). They have sealant already on the threads. They do not come with integrated washers like the OEM bolts and I thought that was strange.
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Old Jun 6, 2018 | 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by ItalianJoe1
Sure they do, number 35 in this doc, 180 Nm, use a new bolt every time (locking compound on threads)
Thanks, Joe.
Number 35 in that PDF appears to be of the 2 bolts attaching the Caliper Bracket to the Knuckle, no?
Jasonoff (and myself) are wondering what the Torque specs are for the 2 Allen/Hex bolts that attach Front Caliper to Caliper Bracket?
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Old Jun 6, 2018 | 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ItalianJoe1
Sure they do, number 35 in this doc, 180 Nm, use a new bolt every time (locking compound on threads)
It's for sure not that bolt. That's the retainer to knuckle bolt which is much larger. The one I'm talking about looks like the below that can't handle anything close to 130ft-lbs.

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Yup, DEFINITELY not 130ft/lbs for the Front Caliper to Caliper Bracket bolts. Ask me how I know

Based on size, seems 40ft/lbs would be sufficient. I just hand tightened them as much as possible.
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Old Jun 6, 2018 | 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Jasonoff
It's for sure not that bolt. That's the retainer to knuckle bolt which is much larger. The one I'm talking about looks like the below that can't handle anything close to 130ft-lbs.

THIS bolt you posted. Right above there. The silver one. They are ALL at 135ft/lbs on my car. No problems.
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Old Jun 6, 2018 | 02:34 PM
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THIS bolt you posted. Right above there. The silver one. They are ALL at 135ft/lbs on my car. No problems.
Ok if you say so. The bolt that threads into the knuckle is M14 and the caliper to retainer bolt is much smaller (M8 maybe?). Please don't tell people to over-torque an M8 bolt.

If you torqued that M8 to 135ft/lbs I would go replace them ASAP.

Here's a handy chart for maximum torque values for bolts by grade.
http://electronicfilters.tpub.com/TM...37-13P_105.htm
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Old Jun 6, 2018 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Jasonoff
Ok if you say so. The bolt that threads into the knuckle is M14 and the caliper to retainer bolt is much smaller (M8 maybe?). Please don't tell people to over-torque an M8 bolt.

If you torqued that M8 to 135ft/lbs I would go replace them ASAP.

Here's a handy chart for maximum torque values for bolts by grade.
http://electronicfilters.tpub.com/TM...37-13P_105.htm
Wonderful. What grade is this bolt exactly. Didn’t we discuss this in the other thread. Where I was told by two different people that it was 135ftlbs? Sigh. Good thing I have 8 new ones..... (I still think they should be tighter than 85ftlbs)
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I broke one of those caliper to caliper bracket bolts by trying to torque to 130fl/lbs. Was a nightmare getting the broken piece out of the bracket. I then replaced all 4 bolts and the ones that didn't snap (I never did get them to 130ft/lbs) were visually stretched and on the verge of snapping as well.
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Glad to see I'm not the only one who thought these needed to be torqued to 130ft/lbs
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Old Jun 6, 2018 | 04:55 PM
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I couldn't find the torque spec for that bolt anywhere in the WIS so I just matched the Stoptech ST40 install instructions for a similar bolt which was 40 ft-lbs.

It's been years since I had mine apart. Maybe it's an M10? You can likely assume 10.9 since it's a brake component.
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I’ll tell you right now that there is zero percent chance that 40ftlbs is enough on those bolts. My WIS isn’t even working to check.
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Have this Bolt (attaching Front Caliper to Caliper Bracket) in hand - after flaking off some red paint, it appears it is 10.9 grade, and M12
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Old Jun 6, 2018 | 05:22 PM
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I’ll tell you right now that there is zero percent chance that 40ftlbs is enough on those bolts. My WIS isn’t even working to check.
Are you as sure about that as you were about the 135ft-lbs?

If you can find that bolt int the WIS then post it up. I couldn't even find it in the EPC.
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Old Jun 6, 2018 | 05:28 PM
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I'm pretty sure this is what I did from the Stoptech ST-40 Install instructions about 4-5 years ago. Hasn't fallen off yet lol.

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4ea. 12mm washers

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If you can find that bolt int the WIS then post it up. I couldn't even find it in the EPC.
That is probably because they come attached and torqued directly from Brembo and are not considered a serviceable part.
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Originally Posted by Mort
That is probably because they come attached and torqued directly from Brembo and are not considered a serviceable part.
Makes sense since the WIS says to remove the bracket from the knuckle.

If it's M12 Grade 10.9 you can do up to 97ft-bs
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Originally Posted by Mort
That is probably because they come attached and torqued directly from Brembo and are not considered a serviceable part.
This.

I would email brembo and ask them, i'm sure they know a spec. An M12 bolt is gonna be 60-80ft-lb range just in general.
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What about the SLS AMG brake? They bolt directly to the knuckle without a bracket and by the looks of it you need to remove the socket head cap screw every time to change pads on the front carbon ceramics and on both steel and carbon ceramics.

The a0039907905 bolt is used by the SLS AMG as well. Maybe we can compare the bolt specs.
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Is the bolt in the OP up top, rattle spring, and pins considered one-time use?
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